Last I heard Denning wasn't his boss so he can do what he likes and he has his current contract to honour. If he hurt himself ....... around in Aspen like so many others did he would hand the AMA championship to Mladin. He test rode the bike in Indy and that is what he said he would do. Last minute offers don't mean anything in his situation which is hardly desperate. And the odds of him riding for Denning are fairly low so just blow it off I say and stick to your current obligations.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 8 2008, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rizla Suzuki are in MotoGP, Spies is not.
Suzuki ran one bike at Assen, that is Denning's fault. Any attempt to shirk blame by calling a rider's commitment into question (worse, a rider who isn't even contracted with you for the 2008 season) is pathetic.
Suzuki have been failing miserably for quite a while, too bad Ben is getting caught up in their mess.
Agreed. Get Denning/Vermy out of there and put in Schwantz/Spies. Then watch the magic.
Suzuki ran one bike at Assen, that is Denning's fault. Any attempt to shirk blame by calling a rider's commitment into question (worse, a rider who isn't even contracted with you for the 2008 season) is pathetic.
Suzuki have been failing miserably for quite a while, too bad Ben is getting caught up in their mess.
Agreed. Get Denning/Vermy out of there and put in Schwantz/Spies. Then watch the magic.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Jul 8 2008, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. Get Denning/Vermy out of there and put in Schwantz/Spies. Then watch the magic.
I'm not sure that's the solution. I'm on the fence about Denning, he puts on this big "Suzuki is improving leaps and bounds" each season, similar to the lad he replaced, his name escapes me. But since he has arrived, Suzuki have been a lot closer than in previous years. And frankly, I think CV is a great talent who has the potential to run up front when the conditions are right (and on the Suzuki, that doesn't happen often). Put him on a Yamaha or Ducati and I think he could be a real contender to win races. Even in the dry.
Schwantz doesn't have the pedigree to run a team yet, he needs to get more involved with any team on a regular basis if he ever hopes to run one. He's always schmoozing with riders, which is great, but there is more to running a team than that.
I'm not sure that's the solution. I'm on the fence about Denning, he puts on this big "Suzuki is improving leaps and bounds" each season, similar to the lad he replaced, his name escapes me. But since he has arrived, Suzuki have been a lot closer than in previous years. And frankly, I think CV is a great talent who has the potential to run up front when the conditions are right (and on the Suzuki, that doesn't happen often). Put him on a Yamaha or Ducati and I think he could be a real contender to win races. Even in the dry.
Schwantz doesn't have the pedigree to run a team yet, he needs to get more involved with any team on a regular basis if he ever hopes to run one. He's always schmoozing with riders, which is great, but there is more to running a team than that.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 8 2008, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Last I heard Denning wasn't his boss so he can do what he likes and he has his current contract to honour. If he hurt himself ....... around in Aspen like so many others did he would hand the AMA championship to Mladin. He test rode the bike in Indy and that is what he said he would do. Last minute offers don't mean anything in his situation which is hardly desperate. And the odds of him riding for Denning are fairly low so just blow it off I say and stick to your current obligations.
I see what your saying but riding in the Assen race in no way would have conflicted with the Indy test or any other obligation he had.He was there,he should have rode.Just my opinion.
I see what your saying but riding in the Assen race in no way would have conflicted with the Indy test or any other obligation he had.He was there,he should have rode.Just my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 8 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where Denning ...... up was allowing Capirossi to call the shots when he was not ready.He should have told him,i like your spirit but i have already promised the ride to Spies,get ready for the next round.
You think the team manager should (or even has the power to) deny his contracted factory rider his own bike, to honour a stand in rider whos entry was only ever on the condition that Loris couldn't ride.
You think the team manager should (or even has the power to) deny his contracted factory rider his own bike, to honour a stand in rider whos entry was only ever on the condition that Loris couldn't ride.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You think the team manager should (or even has the power to) deny his contracted factory rider his own bike, to honour a stand in rider whos entry was only ever on the condition that Loris couldn't ride.
the bike doesn't "BELONG" to Capi .... dip
the bike doesn't "BELONG" to Capi .... dip
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You think the team manager should (or even has the power to) deny his contracted factory rider his own bike, to honour a stand in rider whos entry was only ever on the condition that Loris couldn't ride.
I certainly do think he has the power and should have wielded the power if he didnt think Capirossi was capable of riding the bike to at least 90% of his potential.Especially a rider that may or may not be around in the future.Thats what managers do,they manage and make the tough decision
I certainly do think he has the power and should have wielded the power if he didnt think Capirossi was capable of riding the bike to at least 90% of his potential.Especially a rider that may or may not be around in the future.Thats what managers do,they manage and make the tough decision
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You think the team manager should (or even has the power to) deny his contracted factory rider his own bike, to honour a stand in rider whos entry was only ever on the condition that Loris couldn't ride.
That was my thought, thus why I didn't expand on the thought that the ride was already given to Spies. Spies is a stand in, Cappers is the contracted rider. That should not have been the argument to make. I think that Denning should have made a case for resting Cappers and not having him rush back and risking further injury.
That was my thought, thus why I didn't expand on the thought that the ride was already given to Spies. Spies is a stand in, Cappers is the contracted rider. That should not have been the argument to make. I think that Denning should have made a case for resting Cappers and not having him rush back and risking further injury.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 8 2008, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I certainly do think he has the power and should have wielded the power if he didnt think Capirossi was capable of riding the bike to at least 90% of his potential.Especially a rider that may or may not be around in the future.Thats what managers do,they manage and make the tough decision
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 8 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That was my thought, thus why I didn't expand on the thought that the ride was already given to Spies. Spies is a stand in, Cappers is the contracted rider. That should not have been the argument to make. I think that Denning should have made a case for resting Cappers and not having him rush back and risking further injury.
I'm pretty sure Loris' contract says that if he is available to ride then the team cannot sideline him for another rider. Denning is not a doctor, nor can he decide how Capirossi feels so the decision of whether to ride or not is nothing to do with him. He may have advised Loris to sit it out but I doubt he would have the power to make the decision himself
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 8 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That was my thought, thus why I didn't expand on the thought that the ride was already given to Spies. Spies is a stand in, Cappers is the contracted rider. That should not have been the argument to make. I think that Denning should have made a case for resting Cappers and not having him rush back and risking further injury.
I'm pretty sure Loris' contract says that if he is available to ride then the team cannot sideline him for another rider. Denning is not a doctor, nor can he decide how Capirossi feels so the decision of whether to ride or not is nothing to do with him. He may have advised Loris to sit it out but I doubt he would have the power to make the decision himself
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 8 2008, 06:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.Where Denning ...... up was allowing Capirossi to call the shots when he was not ready.He should have told him,i like your spirit but i have already promised the ride to Spies,get ready for the next round.
Yeah, Povol, I agree here. I think this is where you should focus your argument, not so much on Spies not riding, but rather the ill-advised decision to let injured (not 100% )Capi ride when they already paid the flight ticket for a capable guy in the garage.
Yeah, Povol, I agree here. I think this is where you should focus your argument, not so much on Spies not riding, but rather the ill-advised decision to let injured (not 100% )Capi ride when they already paid the flight ticket for a capable guy in the garage.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 8 2008, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he hurt himself ....... around in Aspen like so many others did he would hand the AMA championship to Mladin. He test rode the bike in Indy and that is what he said he would do.
I'm sure you ment Assen, but anyway good point about the other riders. Somebody remind me, how many riders actually finished, I think it was 13. Damn, not a good day at the races, eh.
I'm sure you ment Assen, but anyway good point about the other riders. Somebody remind me, how many riders actually finished, I think it was 13. Damn, not a good day at the races, eh.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm pretty sure Loris' contract says that if he is available to ride then the team cannot sideline him for another rider.
Hey everybody!!..Tom is "pretty sure"...so it MUST be fact!
Hey everybody!!..Tom is "pretty sure"...so it MUST be fact!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 8 2008, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure that's the solution. I'm on the fence about Denning, he puts on this big "Suzuki is improving leaps and bounds" each season
Schwantz doesn't have the pedigree to run a team yet, he needs to get more involved with any team on a regular basis if he ever hopes to run one. He's always schmoozing with riders, which is great, but there is more to running a team than that.
Claim there is improvement is one thing, getting over the last hump to make a contending team is much more difficult. Hopkins knew this, hence why he left. (Not the money).
Schwantz could run a team but I think he's very busy with the rookies cup.
Schwantz doesn't have the pedigree to run a team yet, he needs to get more involved with any team on a regular basis if he ever hopes to run one. He's always schmoozing with riders, which is great, but there is more to running a team than that.
Claim there is improvement is one thing, getting over the last hump to make a contending team is much more difficult. Hopkins knew this, hence why he left. (Not the money).
Schwantz could run a team but I think he's very busy with the rookies cup.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 8 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sure you ment Assen, but anyway good point about the other riders. Somebody remind me, how many riders actually finished, I think it was 13. Damn, not a good day at the races, eh.
And again i will respond,he could have got just as hurt ....... around at Donnington.
And again i will respond,he could have got just as hurt ....... around at Donnington.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 8 2008, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey everybody!!..Tom is "pretty sure"...so it MUST be fact!
Well if riders had contracts which allowed the team manager to replace them at will, riders would be chopping and changing all season. The Melandri situation is a good example.
Well if riders had contracts which allowed the team manager to replace them at will, riders would be chopping and changing all season. The Melandri situation is a good example.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well if riders had contracts which allowed the team manager to replace them at will, riders would be chopping and changing all season. The Melandri situation is a good example.
No thats a stupid example...Marco is not injured, he's sucking...
No thats a stupid example...Marco is not injured, he's sucking...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 8 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No thats a stupid example...Marco is not injured, he's sucking...
If the medical staff say Loris is fit to race and he's up for it then his injury becomes irrelevant
If the medical staff say Loris is fit to race and he's up for it then his injury becomes irrelevant
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If the medical staff say Loris is fit to race and he's up for it then his injury becomes irrelevant
They said he WASN'T 100%...look at the outcome, nuff said
They said he WASN'T 100%...look at the outcome, nuff said
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 8 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They said he WASN'T 100%...look at the outcome, nuff said
Well whether or not riders should be allowed to race when injured is another discussion for another day but as it stands the decision is up to them.
Well whether or not riders should be allowed to race when injured is another discussion for another day but as it stands the decision is up to them.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well if riders had contracts which allowed the team manager to replace them at will, riders would be chopping and changing all season. The Melandri situation is a good example.
Sometimes there has to be sense of reason and thats what Managers are there for.Most athletes always think they can go,its a fear of being replaced if they dont.Ive had teammates tell the coach they can go on a football field with a broken ankle or ripped up knee and literally break down and cry or get violently mad when the coach [manager] tells them no.I admire that in a person but sometime you have to tell them no for their own good.
Sometimes there has to be sense of reason and thats what Managers are there for.Most athletes always think they can go,its a fear of being replaced if they dont.Ive had teammates tell the coach they can go on a football field with a broken ankle or ripped up knee and literally break down and cry or get violently mad when the coach [manager] tells them no.I admire that in a person but sometime you have to tell them no for their own good.
