simoncelli to wsbk

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 26 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has anyone actually read or seen anything where Marco even suggests he's considering a SBK career as a worthwhile alterative to GP?
As a 250 guy, I can't believe he is out testing and racing just for fun. Obviously, Aprilia would like further input on the RSV4. Does anyone know if Hofmann is still hurt? I had heard he was going to continue his testing duties and have a few wildcard appearances. If he's still not ready to ride then it makes more sense for Aprilia to get anyone on their bike, especially with someone of the pedigree of Simoncelli. Either way, I think it speaks loads about Simoncelli to be testing a SBK.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 26 2008, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has anyone actually read or seen anything where Marco even suggests he's considering a SBK career as a worthwhile alterative to GP?
You're in that exact thread! Again, you're waiting for the press release that isn't gonna come. You just can't process nuance can you?

Lets see:

MotoGP is imploding.
WSBK is expanding.
WSBK's champ gets rider of the year.
MotoGP's greatest star is rumored to dual.
MotoGP new rules change to mimic WSBK show.
WSBK exponential interest among enthusiast & pro alike.
MotoGP's feeder series champ to ride 2 rounds of WSBK.

Hence a thread about 'speculating' the nuance of what this sudden interest from MotoGP's greatest stars and 250 champ may mean to what is a rival series...and you can't process such an easy connection?

Did you even read his comments? You must have skipped when he says he has "thought about it a long time", and he sees "potential" in it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"I've long thought about it and I think I'm going. Yes, I really think I'll race there because I like the idea of experiencing that."

The Italian already tested the Aprilia RSV4 at Valencia earlier this year.

"I really liked the bike," he said. "It's fun, it's quick, and it's easier than a 250cc because its power output is smoother. At Valencia I did just a few laps, without practically touching the set-up and in fact engine braking was disabled, yet I was quick immediately.

"So, the potential is there. The idea of racing it, at this point, is making me eager to do it." Marco Simoncelli

When you read his quote, do you ask yourself, is this some kind a mind ....... riddle that you can't see plain as day that the above quote may lead people to 'speculate' perhaps he would consider a career in the series? Let see, its not like (sarcasm) he said he has actually "thought about it", or he "likes the idea of experiencing" this type of racing, or how about the confusion (sarcasm) of saying "the idea of racing it"...is making him "eager" and sees "potential" in it?

....... Tom, you are ___________________! (In the interest of not being reprimanded, I'll just leave it blank and let others decide what belongs there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 27 2008, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're in that exact thread! Again, you're waiting for the press release that isn't gonna come. You just can't process nuance can you?

Lets see:

MotoGP is imploding.
WSBK is expanding.
WSBK's champ gets rider of the year.
MotoGP's greatest star is rumored to dual.
MotoGP new rules change to mimic WSBK show.
WSBK exponential interest among enthusiast & pro alike.
MotoGP's feeder series champ to ride 2 rounds of WSBK.

Hence a thread about 'speculating' the nuance of what this sudden interest from MotoGP's greatest stars and 250 champ may mean to what is a rival series...and you can't process such an easy connection?

Did you even read his comments? You must have skipped when he says he has "thought about it a long time", and he sees "potential" in it.



When you read his quote, do you ask yourself, is this some kind a mind ....... riddle that you can't see plain as day that the above quote may lead people to 'speculate' perhaps he would consider a career in the series? Let see, its not like (sarcasm) he said he has actually "thought about it", or he "likes the idea of experiencing" this type of racing, or how about the confusion (sarcasm) of saying "the idea of racing it"...is making him "eager" and sees "potential" in it?

....... Tom, you are ___________________! (In the interest of not being reprimanded, I'll just leave it blank and let others decide what belongs there.

That was a pretty longwinded way of answering my question. Based on your efforts it is clear the answer is simply "no".

Yes i know whats going on and have read Marco's comments. I have also speculated about his and aprilias long term interests but people in this thread seem far less speculative, and appear to be celebrating a new trend which as far as i can tell is yet to take place. As you said it remains speculation at this point, so i am assured that I haven't missed any news or information. Cheers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 27 2008, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has anyone actually read or seen anything where Marco even suggests he's considering a SBK career as a worthwhile alterative to GP?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 28 2008, 04:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> That was a pretty longwinded way of answering my question. Based on your efforts it is clear the answer is simply "no".
Actually Tom you've missed the point again... the answer was yes. As Jumkie pointed out the OP Link is, "where Marco suggests he's considering a SBK career as a worthwhile alterative to GP".

...... eh, there is NO hope for you Tom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 27 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...... eh, there is NO hope for you Tom.


And if he does not believe you. He can read the proof from the link below. http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2008/12/...superbikes.html





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Again, i know Marco intends to race the first two rounds of WSBK next year. But i am yet to see and evidence of him actually indicate that he is considering a SBK career. As i have already mentioned, we can speculate about the significance of his planned appearance, but nothing more has emerged yet as far as i or anyone else seems to know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 28 2008, 02:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again, i know Marco intends to race the first two rounds of WSBK next year. But i am yet to see and evidence of him actually indicate that he is considering a SBK career. As i have already mentioned, we can speculate about the significance of his planned appearance, but nothing more has emerged yet as far as i or anyone else seems to know.


That's because people like you have a hard time understanding grown up stuff. That is exactly what you have been reading, "evidence" that would "indicate" Simoncelli "considering" a WSBK career! It can't be any clearer.

This here is a case study for everybody to see why you Tom are a complete and worthless poster. (Really Tom, what is left to argue, all I can resort to is calling you out on ........ and you ability to process information). You can't even understand the most basic .... out there, how could you ever attempt to process complicated information?

Its a good thing you live in the UK, we don't need any more stupid voters here in our country.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 28 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's because people like you have a hard time understanding grown up stuff. That is exactly what you have been reading, "evidence" that would "indicate" Simoncelli "considering" a WSBK career! It can't be any clearer.

This here is a case study for everybody to see why you Tom are a complete and worthless poster. (Really Tom, what is left to argue, all I can resort to is calling you out on ........ and you ability to process information). You can't even understand the most basic .... out there, how could you ever attempt to process complicated information?

Its a good thing you live in the UK, we don't need any more stupid voters here in our country.

From the actual evidence provided in this thread, Marco has expressed his intention to ride the opening rounds of WSBK next year. This has led us to speculate that he might be considering long term alternatives to motogp. He has NOT indicated that he is considering long term alternatives to motogp and if he had, we would have no need to speculate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 28 2008, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This has led us to speculate that he might be considering long term alternatives to motogp.

He has NOT indicated that he is considering long term alternatives to motogp and if he had, we would have no need to speculate.
OMG, you just can't leave your own embarrassment alone. So your answer is to post these two sentences? Hahaha.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 28 2008, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again, i know Marco intends to race the first two rounds of WSBK next year. But i am yet to see and evidence of him actually indicate that he is considering a SBK career. As i have already mentioned, we can speculate about the significance of his planned appearance, but nothing more has emerged yet as far as i or anyone else seems to know.
I can understand your logic, there isn't any "proof" that Simoncelli is considering jumping ship to WSBK. And you're right, he seemed to speak about the opening couple of rounds and testing but never alluded to the future so take it for what you will.

Simoncelli is merely a small piece in this story. He represents Dorna's worst nightmare. Here is a bright, young talent, 250cc champion from Grand Prix-bred Italy, testing and riding a few rounds of WSBK. It's not as if this is a Brit, Aussie or Yank; you know, someone from a traditional Superbike background. This is a future MotoGP championship contender from a place where Superbikes are merely for entertainment. And he has been testing a Superbike and will ride in two rounds of the series? The only way it could get worse for Dorna is if he was Spanish.

This is the tipping point in MotoGP. We've seen big names leave MotoGP for WSBK, like Bayliss, Xaus and Biaggi. Most of the guys who leave GPs for SBK are either past it or were SBK guys to start with. In the four stroke era, we've never seen a young MotoGP rider or a 250 prospect leave the series. When you take the news that Rossi wants to ride SBK, at least once, and Simoncelli is testing and riding a few wildcard rounds, it points to something bigger.

I wouldn't be surprised to see more current GP riders leaving for World Superbike. So long as there are enough rides to go around.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Dec 29 2008, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can understand your logic, there isn't any "proof" that Simoncelli is considering jumping ship to WSBK. And you're right, he seemed to speak about the opening couple of rounds and testing but never alluded to the future so take it for what you will.
"PROOF" is a long way away from NOT seeing any "evidence" that would "indicate" him "considering" WSBK (which is what Tom is saying, his words). Think for a moment the differences between those ideas (Proof vs evidence that would indicate). BTW, Tom was not talking "proof" but rather something much more nuanced; like something that might "indicate he is considering".... But when Tom was taken to task for saying something so stupid, he then tried to twist it into something more definite, more concrete...and it seems you bit the hook by saying you "can understand..his logic".

So there is "no proof" Haha, well no .... there is no "proof". This is the point where there is failure in his "logic" and understanding which you say you understand. So then Austin, your girlfriend is seen with a stud, this guy is giving her a diamond bracelet and has his arm around her and is leaving in his cool car, but she rolls down her window and says, 'Don't worry honey, I'm just going for a ride'...but you and Tom haven't seen the HD video tape of him ....... her in the ... (proof)...uhm, great "logic" Sherlock. Hence the difference between "proof" and a hint that would allude to the situation. As Tom says, he doesn't see or read ANY "evidence that indicates Marco is considering" WSBK (I guess just like you and him wouldn't see any "evidence" of what your girlfriend & stud might be "considering". While most of us see plenty of that nuanced "evidence"; that is a hint of what he may be thinking. What "proof" would you and Tom think that Simon can give you at this stage anyway? So you understand the "logic"? Are you both in agreement that only a press release where Simon gets up and says, yeah, 'I'm gonna take these two rounds and see if I want to make a 'career' out of it.' would be the only thing to satisfy the reality of what the situation "alludes" to? Let me ask you; what in this article regarding participation in two rounds would NOT lead you to believe his actions HINT at some "evidence that he is considering" a career in WSBK? What would lead anybody to think he is not even mildly interested in WSBK? At what point in the girlfriend scenario would "indicate" to you and Tom that there is some "evidence"; a clue, hint to "ALLUDE" that the stud driving the car might be thinking of ....... your girl? Answer whatever question you wish, but sound logic coupled with the ability to process nuance would arrive at the same conclusion...yeah, without the HD video tape. Hahaha.

Austin, this is what Tom said:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 26 2008, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has anyone actually read or seen anything where Marco even suggests he's considering a SBK career as a worthwhile alterative to GP?

Now let me ask you (I know Tom will NOT understand this scenario either) but lets say you meet some chick at the bar and you guys start to dance. And she is grinding all up on you, hips & ... all over you, and plastering her ....... on you, etc. In Tom's words, what might you be thinking and wondering this would "suggest" she is "considering" to do with you? Would this "suggest" anything? Yeah, she might be just a tease, but then again, she might be tired of here ...... husband/boyfriend (probably some pencil neck guy named Tom) and looking for some better action with you. If you can tell me its NOT going through your mind that this chick is considering to ...., then maybe yes, you do understand Tom's "logic"; oblivious.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 29 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"PROOF" is a long way away from NOT seeing any "evidence" that would "indicate" him "considering" WSBK (which is what Tom is saying, his words). Think for a moment the differences between those ideas (Proof vs evidence that would indicate). BTW, Tom was not talking "proof" but rather something much more nuanced; like something that might "indicate he is considering".... But when Tom was taken to task for saying something so stupid, he then tried to twist it into something more definite, more concrete...and it seems you bit the hook by saying you "can understand..his logic".

So there is "no proof" Haha, well no .... there is no "proof". This is the point where there is failure in his "logic" and understanding which you say you understand. So then Austin, your girlfriend is seen with a stud, this guy is giving her a diamond bracelet and has his arm around her and is leaving in his cool car, but she rolls down her window and says, 'Don't worry honey, I'm just going for a ride'...but you and Tom haven't seen the HD video tape of him ....... her in the ... (proof)...uhm, great "logic" Sherlock. Hence the difference between "proof" and a hint that would allude to the situation. As Tom says, he doesn't see or read ANY "evidence that indicates Marco is considering" WSBK (I guess just like you and him wouldn't see any "evidence" of what your girlfriend & stud might be "considering". While most of us see plenty of that nuanced "evidence"; that is a hint of what he may be thinking. What "proof" would you and Tom think that Simon can give you at this stage anyway? So you understand the "logic"? Are you both in agreement that only a press release where Simon gets up and says, yeah, 'I'm gonna take these two rounds and see if I want to make a 'career' out of it.' would be the only thing to satisfy the reality of what the situation "alludes" to? Let me ask you; what in this article regarding participation in two rounds would NOT lead you to believe his actions HINT at some "evidence that he is considering" a career in WSBK? What would lead anybody to think he is not even mildly interested in WSBK? At what point in the girlfriend scenario would "indicate" to you and Tom that there is some "evidence"; a clue, hint to "ALLUDE" that the stud driving the car might be thinking of ....... your girl? Answer whatever question you wish, but sound logic coupled with the ability to process nuance would arrive at the same conclusion...yeah, without the HD video tape. Hahaha.

Austin, this is what Tom said:



Now let me ask you (I know Tom will NOT understand this scenario either) but lets say you meet some chick at the bar and you guys start to dance. And she is grinding all up on you, hips & ... all over you, and plastering her ....... on you, etc. In Tom's words, what might you be thinking and wondering this would "suggest" she is "considering" to do with you? Would this "suggest" anything? Yeah, she might be just a tease, but then again, she might be tired of here ...... husband/boyfriend (probably some pencil neck guy named Tom) and looking for some better action with you. If you can tell me its NOT going through your mind that this chick is considering to ...., then maybe yes, you do understand Tom's "logic"; oblivious.
Oh Jum, I never said I didn't think he was considering. I merely said that I could understand his line of thought as there is nothing official. If he wasn't considering it then he wouldn't ride. I thought the rest of my post made that clear, apparently not.

I was talking to a guy about this this morning and I said that if you get young guys and Rossi peering over the hedges at WSBK and thinking about having a go, then Grand Prix is dead. With the news of Kawasaki potentially pulling out, it further points to the eventual demise of MotoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Dec 30 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he wasn't considering it then he wouldn't ride.

Now then. I have to disagree with this, and i think perhaps this is the source of Jumkie's misunderstanding. I think Marco may well be considering a future in superbike, but as we've covered that's nothing more than speculation. What other people seem to be neglecting that it is very possible Marco has no interest in superbike in the long term yet still wants to ride, there are many possible benefits to him. The marketting will do him good, he'll be in the piaggio good books, he'll get big bike experience, he'll have fun and he'll get his head back into the racing mindframe ahead of all his championship rivals who don't do other races before the 250's kick off. And maybe he just wants to get a little extra money!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Dec 30 2008, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh Jum, I never said ...

I know brotha. I just used your post as a spring board to crap on Tom's logic some more. But yeah, I agreed with most of your post (except you know).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 30 2008, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Marco may well be considering a future in superbike, but as we've covered that's nothing more than speculation.

Nice to see you have now conceded the point we were making.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 30 2008, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What other people seem to be neglecting that it is very possible Marco has no interest in superbike in the long term yet still wants to ride, there are many possible benefits to him. The marketting will do him good, he'll be in the piaggio good books, he'll get big bike experience, he'll have fun and he'll get his head back into the racing mindframe ahead of all his championship rivals who don't do other races before the 250's kick off. And maybe he just wants to get a little extra money!
No, we are NOT neglecting this point Tom. But you have certainly shifted it to deflect from your original failed point which was to say Simon's rides did NOT "suggest" anything career wise. Sure, there are many off-shoot benefits to come from such an experience, but this is secondary. Now in light of recent news, it seems even more likely his participation in WSBK "suggest" even more about his career aspirations. (But you already conceded that, so I guess your backpedaling can stop now).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 30 2008, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice to see you have now conceded the point we were making.

I never said it was impossible for Marco to make these consideration, i just said that we were speculating either way as Marco is yet to publicly indicate his long term intentions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 30 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I never said it was impossible for Marco to make these consideration, i just said that we were speculating either way as Marco is yet to publicly indicate his long term intentions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 26 2008, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has anyone actually read or seen anything where Marco even suggests he's considering a SBK career as a worthwhile alterative to GP?


You already conceded Tom. There is no need for you to weasel out of your own words anymore.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Dec 30 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now then. I have to disagree with this, and i think perhaps this is the source of Jumkie's misunderstanding. I think Marco may well be considering a future in superbike, but as we've covered that's nothing more than speculation. What other people seem to be neglecting that it is very possible Marco has no interest in superbike in the long term yet still wants to ride, there are many possible benefits to him. The marketting will do him good, he'll be in the piaggio good books, he'll get big bike experience, he'll have fun and he'll get his head back into the racing mindframe ahead of all his championship rivals who don't do other races before the 250's kick off. And maybe he just wants to get a little extra money!
And I have to disagree with this. Who is he marketing himself to in SBK that he wouldn't be riding 250s? If he has no interest in SBK, then the people he needs to be marketing himself to are the ones watching 250s, not SBK. What's the point in being in the Piaggio good books? He's already won them a title and if MotoGP is where he wants to go, then there is no need to impress them further as they have nothing to offer him in that series. Superbike experience is pointless now. Had we still been in the 990 era then I could see your point, but the 800s share more similarities to the 250s than they do to Superbikes. You could be right about the 'getting back into the racing mindframe' but I don't think it's worth much. And I can't imagine he would be getting much, if any, additional money for doing it. Besides, he turned down that million dollar GP contract, he doesn't ride for the money.

I really think Simoncelli is trying to avoid Rossi as long as he can. Maybe the guy is just too big headed and he refuse to go up and challenge Rossi to be top the top Italian rider, that's what I feel. I really think Simoncelli is considering SBK for his career, to make a name for himself because he knows that if he goes MotoGP he will only be second at best because of Rossi. I'm just speculating but that is how I see things........ If Simoncelli is a real competitor he would of gone MotoGP already, ESPECIALLY how next year they will be running 600cc machinery. Whatever the case he will get spanked by my man Shinya Nakano, which was faster than him and Biaggi during Aprilias testing.