Silverstone 2013 Predictions ?

I rather had higher expectations of Iannone but not on a Duc. I think he was only one willing to race Marc like Marc. Everybody else preferred to live in one piece (the poor dumb .......s).

If Pedro doesn't win it this year HRC would be smart in signing Redding me thinks. Perfectly suited for the powering out that the RCV seems to hold in advantage. Plus, like Marc, he wont be biased and tainted to ride the GP bike like the 800s. (Which I think has benefitted Marc whereby Pedro and Jlo perhaps still havent adapted to the 1000s formula. And in a way still trying to ride it as such. Keeping in mind both their GP tenure has been predominantly on 800s).

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Redding is a big kid. He pushes a lot of wind and has a weight disadvantage until this year in moto2 with weight limits.
 
It's possible he might do fine on the big boy bikes

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Agree. And as Sloth said, something else clicked this year. Btw Wham, are u from Oz as well? Not sure U've mentioned where ur from and ur age category.

 
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Im in my 40s. U?

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Silverstone weather predictions Fri cloudy Sat sunny Sun cloudy again. Less than 5% chance of rain over the three days. Temperatures 18-20 C so tires should give no problems lasting

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I rather had higher expectations of Iannone but not on a Duc. I think he was only one willing to race Marc like Marc. Everybody else preferred to live in one piece (the poor dumb .......s). If Pedro doesn't win it this year HRC would be smart in signing Redding me thinks. Perfectly suited for the powering out that the RCV seems to hold in advantage. Plus, like Marc, he wont be biased and tainted to ride the GP bike like the 800s. (Which I think has benefitted Marc whereby Pedro and Jlo perhaps still havent adapted to the 1000s formula. And in a way still trying to ride it as such. Keeping in mind both their GP tenure has been predominantly on 800s).

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For the second time in a week I find myself in agreement with a post of yours. What happens Jum, your favorite bar is closed for holidays?


 


Iannone was capable to beat Marquez fair and square in crazy dogfights more than once in Moto2, and it's a pity he cannot take the fight to MM again in the same way. He is a better and more determined racer than any other ex-Moto2 rider currently in MotoGP.  If he only could have one of those quasi-works satellite Hondas...

Yeah but Iannone isn't spanish.

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Silverstone is a very fast flowing track, with i think the fastest average speed per lap, but the straights are not really long enough for the Honda to stretch its legs. There are numerous tracks with faster straights. This track  is about being fast in sweeping corners, something the Yamaha excels at. I  pick


 


Lorenzo


 


Marquez


 


Pedrosa


 


Crutchlow


 


Rossi


 


Bradl


 


Bautista

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Marquez will try everything to stay with JLo but I reckon the Yam will prove too much for the Honda. Best chassis in biz.


 


 
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There are as many Yamaha tracks as were Michelin tracks in 08.

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Surprised you let it slip. What happened to your "Pedro had the best kit every year since joining the big class. FACT!" claim? I knew not even you really believed that BS.


 


PS: for those who don't know, Pedrosa was on Michelins until the late rounds of 2008.


 
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MM will crash out this race due to the bad vibes being sent his way by a certain PS member.


 


okay I reckon


 


1 Pedrosa


2 Lorenzo


3 Crutchlow


4 Bautista


5 Rossi


6 Dovizioso


7 Bradl


 


There you go

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A bit too optimistic for Pedro there, no Lyria? Remember Pedro usually struggles more on this type of fast flowing tracks with fast changes of direction due to his small stature. He can't move/control the bike as the bigger riders, specially now with the bikes getting heavier every ....... year!! He will get tired after 13 laps and fade, also remember he's not exactly in his best physical shape with his recent injury. Lorenzo on the other hand "feels in the best shape of his career" already at Indy according to himself so expect a strong showing from him here.

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Surprised you let it slip. What happened to your "Pedro had the best kit every year since joining the big class. FACT!" claim? I knew not even you really believed that BS.


 


PS: for those who don't know, Pedrosa was on Michelins until the late rounds of 2008.

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If I didn't know better, I'd think you're Pov. (Thats not a compliment).


 


Hi BBSB, thanks for making me think of this: Pedro had full development authority since his rookie year on the most resourceful, supported, funded, AND influential kits/teams/manufactures in the series.  So influential that he managed to pout his way into Bridgestones in 08 --mid season.  You'd be a fool to think otherwise.  He has had the LONGEST RUNNING tools to win titles EVERY year in his MotoGP tenure since 2006. NONE of the current riders can claim this. Even on the Pedrocycle, which gave him the exclusive advantage of a machine tailored not only to his prescription (undeniable), but even to his physical uniqueness, he got beat; that is 2007 he got beat by a better rider on a vastly inferior machine--Pedro came runner up that year while the next best Ducati rider finished 7th (to give you an idea just how bad the Ducati was).  And, the only repeat brand in the top 5 in year end classification was Honda.  The Pedrocycle did "appear" to be a failure, but why and to what degree!? Because Pedrosa failed on it? Haha, well .... hes been failing for 8 years running to win a WC, just maybe its him!  The machine managed to beat Rossi (who came third overall that year) on the Yamaha, so this should tell you a just how tailored the Pedrocycle was to him (unlike the Ducati which was actually more tailored to Loris).  This bike was so uniquely tailored to Pedrosa that his teammate Nicky only managed to finish 8th, the previous year's WC. Pedro's failure was (and has been still) not living-up to the best all around machine because its intended target rider did not capitalize or perform on it.  Think about this for a moment and let it sink in a bit.

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Marquez will try everything to stay with JLo but I reckon the Yam will prove too much for the Honda. Best chassis in biz.


 


 


 


Surprised you let it slip. What happened to your "Pedro had the best kit every year since joining the big class. FACT!" claim? I knew not even you really believed that BS.


 


PS: for those who don't know, Pedrosa was on Michelins until the late rounds of 2008.


 


 


A bit too optimistic for Pedro there, no Lyria? Remember Pedro usually struggles more on this type of fast flowing tracks with fast changes of direction due to his small stature. He can't move/control the bike as the bigger riders, specially now with the bikes getting heavier every ....... year!! He will get tired after 13 laps and fade, also remember he's not exactly in his best physical shape with his recent injury. Lorenzo on the other hand "feels in the best shape of his career" already at Indy according to himself so expect a strong showing from him here.

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You will soon realize that Jumkie rarely remembers what he posts. Booze and emotions rule him.  He will state fact after fact until someone shows evidence that his facts are just  his  emotions boiling over. At  that point, he will write a diatribe to deflect you in a different direction, instead of admitting he is full of ..... Its a fun game of cat and mouse that has been going on for years. He overwhelms a lot of new members, but the ones who have been around for a while, we just chuckle and tell him he is full of .... like the would any old friend. When all is said and done, if you meet him at a race he will gladly give you some of that Mexican goat piss he calls beer, and a shot of good tequila.

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If I didn't know better, I'd think you're Pov. (Thats not a compliment).


 


Hi BBSB, thanks for making me think of this: Pedro had full development authority since his rookie year on the most resourceful, supported, funded, AND influential kits/teams/manufactures in the series.  So influential that he managed to pout his way into Bridgestones in 08 --mid season.  You'd be a fool to think otherwise.  He has had the LONGEST RUNNING tools to win titles EVERY year in his MotoGP tenure since 2006. NONE of the current riders can claim this. Even on the Pedrocycle, which gave him the exclusive advantage of a machine tailored not only to his prescription (undeniable), but even to his physical uniqueness, he got beat; that is 2007 he got beat by a better rider on a vastly inferior machine--Pedro came runner up that year while the next best Ducati rider finished 7th (to give you an idea just how bad the Ducati was).  And, the only repeat brand in the top 5 in year end classification was Honda.  The Pedrocycle did "appear" to be a failure, but why and to what degree!? Because Pedrosa failed on it? Haha, well .... hes been failing for 8 years running to win a WC, just maybe its him!  The machine managed to beat Rossi (who came third overall that year) on the Yamaha, so this should tell you a just how tailored the Pedrocycle was to him (unlike the Ducati which was actually more tailored to Loris).  This bike was so uniquely tailored to Pedrosa that his teammate Nicky only managed to finish 8th, the previous year's WC. Pedro's failure was (and has been still) not living-up to the best all around machine because its intended target rider did not capitalize or perform on it.  Think about this for a moment and let it sink in a bit.

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Dude! you don't know what you're saying. Who cares if he was with the most funded team and the bike designed arround him. The point is, despite all of that, his tool providers somehow failed to provide him competitive tools. I'm a Honda nut and I follow Honda closely and even I realise that despite being a Honda nutter!. He's not an enginner, all he can do is ride the bike and give his feedback.


 


Although I don't care much for Pedrosa and always thought he was not a good leader and not as good as Stoner, I could see his equipment was not letting him shine (in those early years 07-09). Honda was lost for a few years when the formula changed to 800cc and michelin was inferior to bridgestone in race conditions. It's hard to tell how much was the bike and how much the tires but both were a factor in his failure to win.


 


The 2007 Ducati/bridgestone was so bad that even Capirossi won a race and numerous podiums, and multiple Ducatis in the top 5 was a common ocurrence. Same with Suzuki by the way, what tires on suzuki? oh yeah bridgestone. I was a Stoner fan but put him on Dani's 07 seat and he would not come even close to winning the championship (not if Pedrosa got the Ducati that year) although I believe he would have won many more races than Pedro did and be more competitive in general.

 


A really important factor that the average fan seem to overlook is the fact that michelin tires was not at the same level as bridgestones at their last couple years. Ask the riders, ask the teams. Rossi got rid of them as soon as possible after being owned by Stoner that 07 year (oh yeah, and beat by Pedro).


 


I would like to add more but it's late now, have to sleep. maybe other day.


 
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You will soon realize that Jumkie rarely remembers what he posts. Booze and emotions rule him.  He will state fact after fact until someone shows evidence that his facts are just  his  emotions boiling over. At  that point, he will write a diatribe to deflect you in a different direction, instead of admitting he is full of ..... Its a fun game of cat and mouse that has been going on for years. He overwhelms a lot of new members, but the ones who have been around for a while, we just chuckle and tell him he is full of .... like the would any old friend. When all is said and done, if you meet him at a race he will gladly give you some of that Mexican goat piss he calls beer, and a shot of good tequila.

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Yeah I've notice that!


Jumkie, you must start drinking less man!



There are actually some things that I've found myself in agreement with him but when it comes to Pedrosa, he can't even be serious about most things he says!?

Povol my Southern amigo, I have a few questions for you.  


 


Which of the following are inconsistent statements to each other?


 


1. The Honda is superior to the Yamaha.


2. The Honda is slightly superior to the Yamaha.


3. The Honda is SUPERIOR to the Yamaha.


 


 


Second question, did you even read what BBSB thought he believed was inconsistent with me?


 


BBSB quoted this from me: "There are as many Yamaha tracks as were Michelin tracks in 08."  Then he quipped as if this was his gotcha moment on me: "Surprised you let it slip. What happened to your "Pedro had the best kit every year since joining the big class. FACT!" claim? I knew not even you really believed that BS."


 


How in the world does he or you see inconsistency in my statement?  Unless of course you didn't get my meaning because of your ignorance to the historical reference in my statement!  Let me help you two out; In 08 it was widely believed that Bridgestone had surpassed Michelin in overall performance, that is, it was SUPERIOR to Michelin.  By me saying there are as many Yamaha tracks (referring to today) as there were Michelin tracks in 08; means I'm saying there are no Yamaha tracks because Honda is superior.  Now i realize nuance isn't your strong suit, as the boycott you have lodged against MotoGP is obviously having its ill affects on you, but please, pretty please, attempt to point out the inconsistency in my contention.  


 


Third question,  if Brno is a Yamaha track, what are then the possible explanations for BOTH Hondas beating the Yamaha?


 


You won't be able to answer and will as usual retreat to some unrelated tangent.  But I won't let you off the hook as easy as I let you off the hook with your now infamous boycott.  You see, Brno was believed to be a "Yamaha track".  You knew this right?  Or maybe I should tell you, as this was the accepted generalization.  However, two Hondas came 1-2.  That now puts into question either the track being deemed as a "Yamaha track" OR the superiority of the RCV vs the M1.  Can you keep up?  Its not that complicated, well maybe for you. You see, there are no inconsistencies in my statements, just inabilities for you to comprehend them.

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Jumkie

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Povol my Southern amigo, I have a few questions for you.  


 


Which of the following are inconsistent statements to each other?


 


1. The Honda is superior to the Yamaha.


2. The Honda is slightly superior to the Yamaha.


3. The Honda is SUPERIOR to the Yamaha.


 


 


Second question, did you even read what BBSB thought he believed was inconsistent with me?


 


BBSB quoted this from me: "There are as many Yamaha tracks as were Michelin tracks in 08."  Then he quipped as if this was his gotcha moment on me: "Surprised you let it slip. What happened to your "Pedro had the best kit every year since joining the big class. FACT!" claim? I knew not even you really believed that BS."


 


How in the world does he or you see inconsistency in my statement?  Unless of course you didn't get my meaning because of your ignorance to the historical reference in my statement!  Let me help you two out; In 08 it was widely believed that Bridgestone had surpassed Michelin in overall performance, that is, it was SUPERIOR to Michelin.  By me saying there are as many Yamaha tracks (referring to today) as there were Michelin tracks in 08; means I'm saying there are no Yamaha tracks because Honda is superior.  Now i realize nuance isn't your strong suit, as the boycott you have lodged against MotoGP is obviously having its ill affects on you, but please, pretty please, attempt to point out the inconsistency in my contention.  


 


Third question,  if Brno is a Yamaha track, what are then the possible explanations for BOTH Hondas beating the Yamaha?


 


You won't be able to answer and will as usual retreat to some unrelated tangent.  But I won't let you off the hook as easy as I let you off the hook with your now infamous boycott.  You see, Brno was believed to be a "Yamaha track".  You knew this right?  Or maybe I should tell you, as this was the accepted generalization.  However, two Hondas came 1-2.  That now puts into question either the track being deemed as a "Yamaha track" OR the superiority of the RCV vs the M1.  Can you keep up?  Its not that complicated, well maybe for you. You see, there are no inconsistencies in my statements, just inabilities for you to comprehend them.

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  Your contention is that Pedrosa has been on the best package since he arrived in the series, BBSB pointed out  to you  he did not have the Bridgestones, making that a false statement since tires are part of the package. Get it


 


 


Not sure what you are yammering about Brno being a Yamaha track. I picked Marquez to win there, like the Honda in 2012 and the Honda in 2011 did.

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A bit too optimistic for Pedro there, no Lyria? Remember Pedro usually struggles more on this type of fast flowing tracks with fast changes of direction due to his small stature. He can't move/control the bike as the bigger riders, specially now with the bikes getting heavier every ....... year!! He will get tired after 13 laps and fade, also remember he's not exactly in his best physical shape with his recent injury. Lorenzo on the other hand "feels in the best shape of his career" already at Indy according to himself so expect a strong showing from him here.

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Hey, this is my first season of motogp, well we're almost round to where I joined in last year,  but I am still learning. I am going to suggest Pedrosa will have a good weekend for once, he's due one I reckon. I haven't seen the motogp race Silverstone yet, I only knoe it from the F1 but you could be right about Pedrosa, especially with his injury to consider, he and Lorenzo aren't fully healed yet are they?


 


I just hope Cal doesn't shoot himself in the foot here, he has the last two years I believe. Good first practice, and it seems we were right about Marquez, only an off is going to stop him winning I reckon. Not that I am wishing one on him, I'd never do that to any rider, but with his form he's certainly the one to try and beat.

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Yay, someone who is older than me!!!   

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whammy, where abouts?  I'm in North Carolina.

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  Your contention is that Pedrosa has been on the best package since he arrived in the series, BBSB pointed out  to you  he did not have the Bridgestones, making that a false statement since tires are part of the package. Get it


 


 


Not sure what you are yammering about Brno being a Yamaha track. I picked Marquez to win there, like the Honda in 2012 and the Honda in 2011 did.

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Just as I thought, you didn't even bother to read what BBSB quoted and you stuck foot in mouth.  Nice try with the "package" thing, but he quoted me saying "kit", which refers to what the manufacturer produces.  I know reading isn't your strong suit buddy.  Even still I went on to explain he was on the best, best enough to win championships, that he failed to capitalize on it doesn't mean his bike wasn't capable.


 


As to your second point, allow me to quote Marc in yesterday's pre-event press conference.  When asked about his chances at Silverstone being "traditionally a Yamaha track", he responded in agreement that Yamaha riders have done well at Silverstone and added: "Brno was a Yamaha track but in the end we were able to be there."  Oops, so, you don't know what I'm yammering about?  I guess Marc doesn't either, eh?  This is consistent with me saying Honda is the superior machine given that even at "Yamaha tracks" it has its advantages.


 


Which brings me to another point, I know you have difficulty with nuance, but me saying the Honda is superior doesn't mean the Honda is destined to win every race.  You saying a Yamaha win at Silverstone would disprove my assertion tells me you don't really understand the sport.  I expect Lorenzo to have a good race, but if he wins doesn't mean the Honda is inferior.  

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