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Because Hayden has proven his worth as a tryer, & Spies deserves a second chance as he is a race winner. A chance to be out of Lorenzo's "shadow".
Smith is not ready.
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No surprise if this is true, but you gotta feel for Dovi, second Honda last year, great on the Yam this year, but, always the bridesmaid.Agreee with Levi, it's hard to defend Spies keeping the No 2 Yam seat, whatever has gone wrong for him has ...... him up big time, and sadly with it, his chance of a factory motogp bike.
Glad to see Vale going back to Yam, but Crutchlow and Crazy Joe on Ducks? Thats gonnae be carnage!
Glad to see Vale going back to Yam, but Crutchlow and Crazy Joe on Ducks? Thats gonnae be carnage!
Much as I am a fan of cal's, I think dovi might be better overall. Not on the ducati though. If valentino is going, unless he miraculously sorts the thing before he goes I would see dovi as running the risk of repeating marco melandri's performance on it. Marco doesn't lack talent or heart as he has been demonstrating this year in WSBK, but he just couldn't ride that ducati gp bike.
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On the current Ducati, I tend to agree that Crutchlow might perform better than Dovi; but development wise, Dovi is a very intelligent and fast rider who has firsthand knowledge of the two best bikes in MotoGP, Honda and Yamaha. A factory team with Hayden and Dovi could complete the development process which is now in a delicate transition from the old to the new, and that cannot be stopped midway even after Rossi's now probable departure.
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People keep speaking of Dovi as the bridesmaid. True, heems unlikely he'll get the Spies spot this year but no reason to think he won't stay with Tech 3 next year. Not optimal but better than being on the Duc. He's 26 so he's got a few good years ahead of him. A lot can happen with Rossi in the course of one year and there's still a chance for Dovi to move up to full factory. I don't think anyone believes he has the potential for a championship - (especially not himself) - so he's not doing too badly all things considered. I don't see him going the way of Biaggi, Melandri, Edwards etc. any time soon. In this economy and with so many younger talents being so heavily promoted for the best seats - he's in a pretty good position.
Hayden has averaged one podium a year for the last 5 1/2 years. He is probably in a better place than he deserves to be.
Spies has not delivered - 5 podiums and a win in 2 1/2 years, despite having a top factory ride.
I don't doubt they are probably hard working and nice guys, but you said "[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Tech 3 should go for an all American team' - I can't see why Poncheral would want to. He has two of the hardest-working riders in the paddock - one of whom has had 20 podiums in the last 5 years and has consistently been pushing the top three this season.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]If I was handing out rides, neither Hayden or Spies would be on a top bike - they just haven't delivered. [/font][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I suspect your call is more based on their passport than their record.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Same goes for Crutchlow - he is where he probably deserves to be, he doesn't deserve a factory ride, IMO.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]If Poncheral was looking for a young gun to bolster Tech3, I would think that Iannone, Espargaro, Redding or Luthi are more deserving. Even Brad Smith has had better results than Spies and you think he should stay where he is.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I don't know what is going to happen - I wouldn't be surprised to see the Marquez acquisition being the only change for next year. If Spies can pull his finger out for the rest of the season, I would think Lin Jarvis would keep him on. But if he doesn't, I think he's toast - what other team owner would take a chance? He has had the best bike in the field in a full factory outfit and didn't deliver. You don't often get two goes at that level. [/font][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] Putting Spies woes down to being in Lorenzo's shadow is disingenious - if that's the case, it's a new one - Spies did all right when partnered with Mladin... which must have been a much harder gig than the affable Spaniard.[/font]
Further... the new raft of young guns coming through aren't necessarily going to set the world on fire - for every Marquez, Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner, there is a whole field of Pedrosa's, Dovizioso's, Mamola's, etc.
We are kinda spoilt at the moment that there are four top riding talents at the same time - it's rare that there are so many. We lose one and gain a new one next year.
If we look at Bradl's progress, he was a solid 250 rider, nothing flashy but he's a fighter. He has been solid in his rookie season, but as with Pedrosa and Dovizioso, I can't see him ever winning the championship - he may prove me wrong, but I just don't think he can step it up to that lofty, alien level. There is something almost zen-like about the abilities of those top few.
Spies could - if he can get his head right. We've seen it. I really hope he gets the chance to have another go. I think he is the best chance outside Spain for a future champion. Dovi has had the opportunity and not managed it. Same with Pedrosa. Crutchlow would have to have an awesome alignment of stars, weather and luck for it to happen.
If you read what has been said about Marquez, he is seriously touted by the GP cognoscenti, more so than nearly any other rider since Lorenzo. These guys know their GP racers and when you get someone of the stature of Nakamoto or Suppo waxing lyrical about Marquez's abilities, you know they aren't just playing it up for the sponsors. There's a good reason that he is on the top factory ride.
Next season is going to be interesting for a number of reasons - second year of development of the CRT bikes, new rules, a shakeup at the top, new ownership for Ducati, a few teams dropping out or changing allegiances, a new Honda CRT, maybe a new Yamaha, Suzuki and Ducati CRT - I think some of the CRT entries are going to surprise the incumbents.
Whatever happens, it will continue to interest me, both on and off the track.
We are kinda spoilt at the moment that there are four top riding talents at the same time - it's rare that there are so many. We lose one and gain a new one next year.
If we look at Bradl's progress, he was a solid 250 rider, nothing flashy but he's a fighter. He has been solid in his rookie season, but as with Pedrosa and Dovizioso, I can't see him ever winning the championship - he may prove me wrong, but I just don't think he can step it up to that lofty, alien level. There is something almost zen-like about the abilities of those top few.
Spies could - if he can get his head right. We've seen it. I really hope he gets the chance to have another go. I think he is the best chance outside Spain for a future champion. Dovi has had the opportunity and not managed it. Same with Pedrosa. Crutchlow would have to have an awesome alignment of stars, weather and luck for it to happen.
If you read what has been said about Marquez, he is seriously touted by the GP cognoscenti, more so than nearly any other rider since Lorenzo. These guys know their GP racers and when you get someone of the stature of Nakamoto or Suppo waxing lyrical about Marquez's abilities, you know they aren't just playing it up for the sponsors. There's a good reason that he is on the top factory ride.
Next season is going to be interesting for a number of reasons - second year of development of the CRT bikes, new rules, a shakeup at the top, new ownership for Ducati, a few teams dropping out or changing allegiances, a new Honda CRT, maybe a new Yamaha, Suzuki and Ducati CRT - I think some of the CRT entries are going to surprise the incumbents.
Whatever happens, it will continue to interest me, both on and off the track.
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I was thinking of an all American team also. Hayden and Spies, Team owner Michael Jordon with his sponsors and managed by Kevin Shwantz
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I was thinking of an all American team also. Hayden and Spies, Team owner Michael Jordon with his sponsors and managed by Kevin Shwantz
Running Buells?
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Well I'm not into self-indulgent essays, so I'll just say Hayden has qualified the Duc in the top 3, impressive enough to show he has the fire. Spies has won races, their are not many race winners on the grid & it should be enough for someone to retain his services, he has experience that others don't, but it sounds like he's headed back to WSBK as it is without exploring any further options. Crutchlow is off to Ducati & Dovi has made it clear I believe that it's factory or bust. Poncharal will need to fill those seats & he could do a lot worse.
Smith has done .... all, even less so this year. He needs some further experience, & not to be coming off of a bad year before he steps up. He's capable but he has shakey confidence.
I'm interested to know why you suspect that I am even remotely interested in passport?
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Sponsored by apple pie, blue jeans, & driving your Chevy to the levee.I was thinking of an all American team also. Hayden and Spies, Team owner Michael Jordon with his sponsors and managed by Kevin Shwantz
Something to do with "[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Tech 3 should go for an all American team"? [/font][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Unless you were talking Canadians and Uruguayans?[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]And I don't understand why you think that my post is self-indulgent, or an essay - I suspect it is the content you have an issue with and so are looking to insult me rather than debate the points. [/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I tried to be objective, but you seem to have taken it as a personal affront. As I said, no doubt they are both nice guys and hard working, but if you look at their record, they don't deserve to be there.[/font]
That you have taken such an issue with an objective look at their form, speaks volumes that their passport is the most important thing to you.
Hayden may have qualified on the front row, but during his stay at Ducati his team-mate won many races on the same kit. He hasn't even come close to winning a race. Fire isn't what team owners are looking for - it's the ability to win, or at least place, in a race.
I have nothing against either Spies or Hayden, I was just interested in why you stated that they should get a ride at Tech3 - IMO they have done little to warrant such a move. Unless you have different criteria for why Poncheral should dump his current team and replace them with riders that haven't delivered in factory teams?
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So two world champions don't deserve to be where they are. As I have stated it seems that the seats at Tech 3 may be free.
I'm a Scotsman supports whoever he damn well pleases. If that makes it clear how wrong you are.
I'm a Scotsman supports whoever he damn well pleases. If that makes it clear how wrong you are.
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Congratulations on posting the first Esperanto post on Powerslide. Makes no sense to anyone but you. Was that an attempt at a dig at me in there? Try using grown up sentences and you may get a grown up response.
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Wrong how? You were the one that stated a desire for a team based on nationality, not me. All I did was ask for your reasons.
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There is only one GP world champion and that was many, many years ago. The last six years have not been kind to Hayden, despite his riding race-winning kit. How long do you persist with a rider that isn't delivering? People are writing off Rossi after only twenty-six races, yet he has performed better than his team-mate who has more than 60 races on that marque.
Spies has consistently been beaten by satellite bikes and rookie riders - while riding championship-winning bikes for a top factory team. Again, how long should they persist with that - six years?
This is degenerating - you stated that Tech3 should get Spies and Hayden - I asked why, because in my opinion, on form, they don't deserve the ride.
Really that is the be all and end all of my position. I have nothing against either rider or yourself, just don't think that Poncheral would be making the right decision if he employed either of them.
This is a young mans game, it's time Hayden moved over and let some up and coming young gun have a go. He has talent and he may have the fire/desire, but I don't think he has what it takes, any more.
Spies needs to either sort his head out or accept that GP racing isn't for him - he wouldn't be the first that let his personal life affect his professional and he won't be the last. Probably the best racer in the paddock is doing exactly that and will be retiring in ten races time.
I have been pretty vocal about supporting Spies, at least up until about race six of this year, that's when the excuses ran out. I can understand mechanical failures, weather, equipment malfunctions, but what else is he going to come out with? Why isn't his team-mate suffering the same issues? They are on the same kit in the same team.
Sorry, it's put-up-or-shut-up time and if he fails as a factory Yamaha rider, I don't see there's a place for him at another team. The buck needs to stop with him.
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Pete you ....... if you think back you will remember that I come from stinking ....... Saltcoats. It was not a dig at you my countryman.
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