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Rumor: Volkswagen Group may sell Ducati

The dealership has become the center of the Harley lifestyle. Guys make trips to the Harley dealer like Muslims make pilgrimages to Mecca.

Unless I need parts I have little use for the dealership otherwise. But they are masters of creating an emotional investment into the dealership by their customer base. All sorts of charity rides, BBQ's, music concerts, and so on go on at my local dealer as they do at many dealers. I've never been to any of these things, but when I ride by if they have something going on, the turnout is astounding.

To think once upon a time if anyone saw you riding a Harley, you were instantly labeled as trouble, and you might be run out of town by the local law enforcement while being told in no uncertain terms to not come back ever. Now? The complete opposite exists.

The Harley dealer a mile from my house has built an outdoor soundstage and has pretty damn good shows from what i "hear". Loverboy, Delbert Mcclinton, etc. Like you said, the motorcycle is an afterthought to most of these posers. Its a chance for doctors lawyers and businessmen to put on fake tattoos and the hat with the built in ponytail and those god awful affliction shirts to feel like a badboy for a day.

Oh, one more thing, the Harley crowd has zero interest in any "furn" made sportbike, be it, Jap, Eyetalian,or kraut.
 
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The Harley dealer a mile from my house has built an outdoor soundstage and has pretty damn good shows from what i "hear". Loverboy, Delbert Mcclinton, etc. Like you said, the motorcycle is an afterthought to most of these posers. Its a chance for doctors lawyers and businessmen to put on fake tattoos and the hat with the built in ponytail and those god awful affliction shirts to feel like a badboy for a day.

Oh, one more thing, the Harley crowd has zero interest in any "furn" made sportbike, be it, Jap, Eyetalian,or kraut.

That tells you if they have an outdoor soundstage, whatever the cost for that, it is easily made up with all of the frivolous overpriced .... they sell. Between the merchandise department and the service department, I can't even imagine how much money any well run dealership pulls in. The selling motorcycles part is an afterthought. That primary clientele you mention is precisely why I ride solo for the most part. I like the bikes, but I don't like all of the .... surrounding it. Taking your bike out to go ride to the dealership to hang out is a waste of time, and you may as well go buy a sports car. Plus the whole riding when it's only higher than 70 or 75 degrees and no clouds in the sky is kind of pointless to me.

I wouldn't say all of the Harley crowd has zero interest in sportbikes...I know a few guys you would think are Harley guys, but they have supersports or superbikes in their garage. I'm still trying to figure out what sport bike I'd like to get. A friend swears by naked sport bikes, but I do like the full fairings even though you sacrifice comfort. Unsure what way to go. Funny thing...the local HD dealer had a used Yamaha R6 for sale a few months back so I went to go test ride it. Initial visual inspection canceled out any possible sale right away because there were things that need to be fixed and replaced; chain rusting was the first thing I noticed right off the bat. But I said .... it, I came down so let me just ride it for the hell of it. Was a lot of fun...never rode a R6, but revving that thing out to 16 grand was a ton of fun. When I got back, the guys hanging outside the service area waiting to pick up their bikes after a $100 or more oil change gave me a dirty because it wasn't a Harley. When I went and grabbed my bike and pulled around they had a befuddled look on their face so I gave them a middle finger. I think generally speaking if you're into motorcycles, you have to have more than one since no one bike gives you everything you want.
 
Oh, one more thing, the Harley crowd has zero interest in any "furn" made sportbike, be it, Jap, Eyetalian,or kraut.

Is a Harley any less fun? sure they are not as fast, but of all the bikes in my personal collection my harley gets the most ride time.
 
Is a Harley any less fun? sure they are not as fast, but of all the bikes in my personal collection my harley gets the most ride time.

Harley's are a lot of fun to ride. The low end power they make feels great. The engine sound is timeless, and the general comfort level is wonderful.
 
Is a Harley any less fun? sure they are not as fast, but of all the bikes in my personal collection my harley gets the most ride time.

To me yes. The kind of riding we do pretty much excludes a Harley in every aspect. One day when i just want to tool up and down the interstate, i will probably get a Goldwing.
 
To me yes. The kind of riding we do pretty much excludes a Harley in every aspect. One day when i just want to tool up and down the interstate, i will probably get a Goldwing.

I own lots of different bikes, among them superbikes and harleys, to me its always been not what you ride but how you ride.
 
I own lots of different bikes, among them superbikes and harleys, to me its always been not what you ride but how you ride.

Which is very cool, but like i said, the riding we do is literally 90% mountain twisties. I have a dirt bike for dirt, a sport bike for the twisties. I would have zero fun dragging pipes and floorboards through the corners at 25 mph. It would be like taking a KLR to an Enduro. After thinking about what i said earlier, i guess i would buy a FJ or Concourse instead of a wing once i get too wracked with the big a to ride sport bikes any longer. Cruisers just dont fit into my lifestyle.
 
Which is very cool, but like i said, the riding we do is literally 90% mountain twisties. I have a dirt bike for dirt, a sport bike for the twisties. I would have zero fun dragging pipes and floorboards through the corners at 25 mph. It would be like taking a KLR to an Enduro. After thinking about what i said earlier, i guess i would buy a FJ or Concourse instead of a wing once i get too wracked with the big a to ride sport bikes any longer. Cruisers just dont fit into my lifestyle.

There's a guy I know with a Dyna Wide Glide.

Prior to owning that, he owned a Yamaha R1. He said that while the R1 obviously excelled far beyond the Harley with cornering, he told me he gets more satisfaction out of getting corners right with the Wide Glide because it takes a lot more to do that.
 
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tractors have no place on a racetrack!!!:D

Well, once upon a time. Harley owned a sportbike branch and won World Championships....yeah, ok they were Aermacchis and two strokes to boot...

Harley got rid of MV for a few Euro (or was it just the 1?) Can't see them getting in that game again.
 
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One way or the other JLo best make some results on the existing package.....especially as the money pot might dry up soon for Ducati....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...f-asset-review

https://www.breakingviews.com/consid...worth-selling/

Exclusive: VW eyes possible sale of motorbike brand Ducati - sources | Reuters

Or the new owners might not prioritise a factory effort that isn't winning consistently...

At least J-Lo has an exit option if Ducati gets sold...he can claim his bloated salary is hurting the team.
 
If they are looking to sell the Ducati then they will look to complete it the sale in this year.....so money may dry up right as he throws his leg over the bike after Valencia.....wouldnt it be horrid if they couldnt pay him in 2017 and the development budget dries up before Qatar 2017...

He has a contract to a solvent company, he will get paid no matter what. This was discussed as a possibility when the news broke of the scandal and it's still just that, a possibility. Maybe Phillip Morris would like to diversify its portfolio and purchase the little bike company they have been carrying for years.
 
Time to start - Valentino Rossi to buy Ducati


Heard it here first ..............
 
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He has a contract to a solvent company, he will get paid no matter what. This was discussed as a possibility when the news broke of the scandal and it's still just that, a possibility. Maybe Phillip Morris would like to diversify its portfolio and purchase the little bike company they have been carrying for years.

Given the existence of the Red Bull F1 team not all that far-fetched, and I am sure Phillip Morris has much more money than Red Bull. The problem would be Ducati being stand alone as a small niche road bike producer without the technical resources of a major manufacturer like VW/Audi I guess.
 
I wonder if Mahindra would be interested in buying out VW's stake.

Its recently entered the two wheeler business and is looking to grow - and its got access to a large growing market. We know the promoters have an interest in race bikes and a certain familiarity with Ducati (via Aspar).

Some of their R&D already takes place in Italy at a wholly owned subsidiary (Engines Engg. S.p.A) and they've got the resources to back it at the home end.
 
He has a contract to a solvent company, he will get paid no matter what. This was discussed as a possibility when the news broke of the scandal and it's still just that, a possibility. Maybe Phillip Morris would like to diversify its portfolio and purchase the little bike company they have been carrying for years.

I am not concerned that JLo wont get paid....my thinking is that many companies preparing for their sale and that have just been bought tend to either stop or slow down projects in order to either look more lean or allow the new management to decide and key priorities for the organisation...

MotoGP may not be one the new owners or potential owners key priority projects, and a slow down or even stoppage in bike development and investment in the MotoGP project is possible, and even likely....at least until the new owner assesses the project's ROI to the greater company's strategic direction...

Phillip Morris isn't a viable option in my view....I would think the Chinese or Indian option is more likely....
 
If they where half smart they would keep Ducati and at the same time acquire all the major coffee machine companies .....

Coupons and stamps reading "With every 5th caffe latte purchase receive 15% off any oil leak repairs".
 
I wonder if Mahindra would be interested in buying out VW's stake.

Its recently entered the two wheeler business and is looking to grow - and its got access to a large growing market. We know the promoters have an interest in race bikes and a certain familiarity with Ducati (via Aspar).

Some of their R&D already takes place in Italy at a wholly owned subsidiary (Engines Engg. S.p.A) and they've got the resources to back it at the home end.
It appears to have been mooted as a possibility when Ducati went on the market in 2012.

Buy-out group eyes Ducati disposal - Financial Times (Feb 2012)
Ducati is set to change hands this year after its private equity owner said it aimed to make three times its initial investment by selling or listing the producer of top-end Italian motorcycles.

Investindustrial, the Italian private equity group backed by the Bonomi family, is looking to dispose of the motorbike brand in a deal worth up to €1bn.

“Ducati is now a perfect company but the further growth it requires needs the support of a world-class industrial partner,” Andrea Bonomi, Investindustrial’s chairman – and a Ducati driver as well as speedboat owner – told the Financial Times. “This year, we will work towards that partner.”

Last year Investindustrial, one of the biggest private equity investors in southern Europe, mandated Deutsche Bank and Goldman Sachs to sound out a public listing for Ducati in Hong Kong. But a sale to a rival or to a large car group is now seen as the more likely way to internationalise the brand further.

Ducati, which started life 86 years ago as a radio manufacturer, sells about 40,000 motorcycles per year and claims a market share of almost 9 per cent in the global sports motorcycle market. Its sleek design and sporty image has attracted a base of celebrity fans, including Prince William.

Mr Bonomi said a handful of industrial groups in Asia, Europe and the US were interested in Ducati. People close to the situation said possible buyers could include Indian motorcycle group Mahindra and German car groups such as Volkswagen and BMW.

BMW owns a large motorcycle brand and Ferdinand Piëch, VW’s chairman, has long cast an eye on Ducati as a way for his car empire to enter the motorcycle market.

Ducati has debts of about 1.7 times its earnings before interest, depreciation and amortisation, a low level when compared with most private equity portfolio companies.
 

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