Rossi's Yamaha vs Dani's Honda

Can't knock a man for a wee drop or two Doc, Rossi's second season in each class was pretty much a domination anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ros @ Aug 26 2006, 05:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did Honda ever had engine breakdown in the middle of a race?Only when Sete was on it.

All im saying is the frame is smaller on the rcv. well by the eye it looks like it! Least once rossi wins a championship he moves on! pal

Man, what a fight this is! End of the day they can`t be that far apart if they`re still beating each other. A talented rider on an RCV can take it to Rossi, and Rossi can still beat a bunch of Hondas when his M1 ain`t on it`s rags. IMO they must be pretty close, yeah one of them might have better acceleration out of the 3rd corner at Brno in a temperature of 36.539 degrees with soft-medium-hard-viagra tyres, and the other one has a frame made out of some carbon fiber - titanium composite that provides 0.045% more torsinal flex than the other, but at the end of the day, they can`t be that far off. And, regarding the best.... 1978-79 350GP world Championship, Kork Ballington, KAWASAKI! Hell yeah! We won somthing! Green and mean!

By the way Vespix, I`ve been reading what youve been posting about Rossi and the new M1 engine, I`d never heard about that, really intresting stuff. Where`d you get that?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Aug 28 2006, 04:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>By the way Vespix, I`ve been reading what youve been posting about Rossi and the new M1 engine, I`d never heard about that, really intresting stuff. Where`d you get that?
Enjoy the smooth beast:

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page...eID=2699&Page=3

and its curves

http://www.crash.net/feature_view~t~How-Ya...d~6~id~8531.htm

particularly the rpm and torque ones.

Vespix

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Aug 26 2006, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't knock a man for a wee drop or two Doc, Rossi's second season in each class was pretty much a domination anyway.

Only when Sete was on it.

ok will settle for a breif domination !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Aug 28 2006, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Enjoy the smooth beast:

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page...eID=2699&Page=3

and its curves

http://www.crash.net/feature_view~t~How-Ya...d~6~id~8531.htm

particularly the rpm and torque ones.

Vespix

I don't buy any of those journo racebike 'reviews'. They get a watered down, rev restricted, chassis softenned version of race setup. So they don't crash. I know. There may have been at least a dozen or so journalists to have ridden that bike on that particular day, and usually what they will write about their experience tells you nothing really.

Yeah I was actually talking about the theory that at the end of 2005 Rossi knew 2006 would be a tough one, and he needed the M1`s engine to be up to the challenge of the RCVs, so he asked Japan for a monster powerhouse, and they gave him more than he bargained for, an unreliable, rough thing that, in one way or another led to the chassis, electrical, tyre and mechanical problems the bike has had this year.

I dunno if that`s true, but I think It`s a very intresting theory. I was just wondering where you found that information, Vespix.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Aug 28 2006, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Enjoy the smooth beast:

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page...eID=2699&Page=3

and its curves

http://www.crash.net/feature_view~t~How-Ya...d~6~id~8531.htm

particularly the rpm and torque ones.

Vespix

I fail to see any relevance to your suggestions on the 2006 bike in those links. Both articles are based on the 04/05 bikes. The rider report identical to all journalist rider report I've ever read about any GP bike. The tech-article have one single reference to '06 and power and that was the same old urge for more power. Nothing about a bike that is overdeveloped or stretched, quite the oposite, a success formula they want Yamaha to follow into '06. Why sould Rossi be so affraid for '06 and out of desperation demand something that can't be done? Quite the oposite he knew very well from '00 what that kind of demands result in. He was the only one capable to ride the '00 Honda to any level of expectations while Criville who demanded much more top end for '00 ended up far behind.
Even the results this year show that on a working bike with a chassi that could cope with the rapidly changing q-tires he would easily been on top. That is not due too a "mdw" engine that blast everything away but through the same recipie as '04 and '05. An agile chassi and enough power for rossi to power it out of the corners. Still down on top speed on most tracks but not to much.
I don't think he feard '06 at all. He was right, the new commers turned out strong, but they are still rookies in the class and that shows.
Next year will be a whole different storry. That will hopefully be a race between the king and the price. An Italian against a small Spaniard.
The unknown factor is of course the bikes. Will the be at about the same level.

You were quite right about Rossi and the new riders. What others thought they heard I don't know, but I do now I heard him say Pedrosa was the one he feard the most for '06. While I found that interesting and possible that remark surly had a doubble purpose. The other was his usual mind game with the rest of the riders.

I think Im with Vespix on this one, it just seems logical to me and having that much bad luck cant be just bad luck.

Yeah, Rossi won't say what happened at the end of 05.

Yamaha were uncharacteristically secretive about their development just before the beginning of the 06 season. No press releases, no 'leaks' to journalists, nothing. Just an evening show with music and the riders. So, afaik there is no documented specs of the new 06 engine, sorry.

The rest is silence... except a few quotes from Rossi Yamaha is working especially hard on improving the stability of the bike and making it easier to find the right setting. The engine is also better and Edwards [I promise to] win at least a couple of races - I feel the bike's that good.

Maybe you are right about the tyres, I just wish Michelin would have been more clear about their non-involment in the chatter issue.

But this 'annus horribilis' is not such; it's a delayed tax on leaving the mother of all factories and mount a guerrilla challenge. 'Overstretched' package is way of saying that Yamaha went too far building a new bike and still make Michelin tyres work. They got away with compressing years of development into a few months, and it just doesn't make sense since many here agree that it wasn't even necessary.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Aug 30 2006, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't buy any of those journo racebike 'reviews'. They get a watered down, rev restricted, chassis softenned version of race setup. So they don't crash. I know. There may have been at least a dozen or so journalists to have ridden that bike on that particular day, and usually what they will write about their experience tells you nothing really.
i second this.

skid, you'd love to be invited to have to ride that Yamaha. Your grandchildren would love to have a grandad having riden the monster. They'd know the story by heart.

I'd love to get a spin on a real M1, or at least be able to read something written by someone who can actually ride it fast, not do a three-lap tour posing for the photographer and come back to the pits with lump in his leathers....at the back.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Sep 5 2006, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>come back to the pits with lump in his leathers....at the back.



skid, most journo's are just road riders .... well over here anyway. we have a few here and there, that used to race and can ride the things at a decent pace, but obviously nothing like the big boyss who do it for a living. Your journos over at MCN and Motoclismo or whatever its called, are probably the closest you'll come to someone that can actually ride it fast ...

none of the journos over here have had a run on the M1 ... closest they've come is Mat Mladin's winning wheels from two years ago.... haha

Didn`t Wooton ride Rossi`s bike after Valencia last year Katt?

Don't complain Katt, you guys have AG. That guy is the balls.

Yeah, I only read net stuff. By the time news goes into print for mags it's at least a month old over here so I don't bother with it. I'm okay with AG having a big head, seems to be a pretty cool guy.

Yeah, Ooost is right, for racing news, Mags just arent as good as the net. And we do have AG now... God I miss AMCN.

Woose a snail? Must be a big bloody snail, that guy sits on litrebikes and makes them look like 600s

I've heard some stories about AG, Krusty, Parkes and all those boys. Sounds like they have themselves a good time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Sep 4 2006, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>come back to the pits with lump in his leathers....at the back.
classic!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Sep 5 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mags just arent as good as the net.
oh but they are. the net is great for instant gratification. but monthly or bi-monthly mags are still quite good & very informative. the info can be much more in depth & also there's stuff u won't see on the web. i subscribe to roadracing world & road racerX. world is a monthly & X is a bi monthly. definately worth a read!