Rossi's Yamaha vs Dani's Honda

before rossi yamaha wasn't competitive at alll, i think its safe to say that rossi MADE yamaha what it is now

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Aug 23 2006, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>O-k-a-y.... put pedrosa on the yam and rossi on the honda then you can forget it dani. if you take pedrosa, stoner, elias, melandri AND hayden off the hondas and put then on anything else it'd be a whole different story.
i'll agree with this .... the honda MGP bikes have often been described as the most 'rider-friendly' bike on the grid. i mean a few years back in the 500's rookie riders would have a hell of a time trying to run with the big boys after a year ..... let alone after two races ...i dont mean to take away from guys like pedder's talent, but just as skid said, on a diff. bike it would be a diff. story. this is the day and age where the rookie riders could hop on a bike and whip up some fast laps on a honda.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Aug 24 2006, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valentino's M1 has Jeremy Burgess, worth more than any amount of horsepower.
and aint that the truth

Oh yeah "the 500cc were more difficult" myth ... well how's then possible that Biaggi won his first ever 500cc race coming from 250cc??

Shouldn't his 250 style be a handicap with those machines???

If MotoGP is so easy for rookies why is then that (IIRC) only Dani has managed to win a race in his rookie year??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Katt @ Aug 24 2006, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>before rossi yamaha wasn't competitive at alll, i think its safe to say that rossi MADE yamaha what it is now
i'll agree with this .... the honda MGP bikes have often been described as the most 'rider-friendly' bike on the grid. i mean a few years back in the 500's rookie riders would have a hell of a time trying to run with the big boys after a year ..... let alone after two races ...i dont mean to take away from guys like pedder's talent, but just as skid said, on a diff. bike it would be a diff. story. this is the day and age where the rookie riders could hop on a bike and whip up some fast laps on a honda.
and aint that the truth

Plus the millions that Yamaha spent to improve the bike when Rossi joined. Millions they couldn't be arsed to pay up when Melandri, Biaggi, Checa were all struggling on the bike, The millions they couldn't be arsed to cough up when Biaggi was applauding the Honda garage because Yamaha didn't want to step thier game up. Its not like Rossi hoped on the same bike you know!

<span style="font-family:ArialThere is no point to discuss about that. It's very clear that hondas are much better than yamahas. Look in the overall standings and in all the races so far and you will see that except rossi no yam did the podium this year!

And even with all that new guys, if rossi wouldn't had that problems with the bike he would be in front with more victories, just like in the last years.

Because of the arrival of the new guys(nobody can deny this that pedrosa or stoner are big talents) but most of all because of the bad luck that he is suffered this season, rossi isn't in front.
If he hadn't all that bad luck he would still be the first one(not with such a big advantage like in the past years), and all this discussion that rossi isn't actually as good as with thought he is, wouldn't took place.

But let me all ask you somethig.
If rossi will finally manage to win the championship after the bad luck he had, with all the new rookies, against the mighty hondas, with no yam on the podium for the entire season, except him, what will you all that criticise rossi say?

teo, i would've been a 9 years old when that race was run ... i don't remember that even happening
im judging by the case of rossi he was fallin off the 500cc left, right and centre that first year when he first hopped on it. i guess if there were more riders we could compare with the stats mite show a definate shape ... but really every rider is different.
does the new technology, and electronic gizmos that they got now make things harder or easier?

With just one season left with 990 cc. and a champion bike that set a new record score, Rossi asked Japan for a brand new engine and he got it. When Rossi began to publicly voice his dissapointment with the chasis, the Fins got the news. Even the Eskimos knew, and the Lithuanians too. He got a new one chasis in the middle of the season. That's one new bike every four months, only for you, your wishes are commands, my yellow princess. Just keep flashing your brilliant smile to the press. Bad luck, my a.

Heart-felt opinions are all very good, but facts are stubborn: the Yamahas can't be challenged by the Hondas in acceleration, top speed and maneuvrability.

Competent riders can win on the M1; Edwards failing to do so in Assen was down to racing, not to the bike.

Pedrosa on a Yamaha? I'd love to see that. And you too!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Aug 24 2006, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's one new bike every four months, only for you, your wishes are commands, my yellow princess.

New parts or bike every four months is not tantamount to improved reliability or competitiveness... if there were such to begin with.

You said so in your statement that rossi asked this and that, now why would he do that if the bike's working properly in the first place?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Aug 24 2006, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You said so in your statement that rossi asked this and that, now why would he do that if the bike's working properly in the first place?
I suspect that many people think that Rossi only knew Pedrosa from the photo sessions of the champions at the end of each season. When Rossi said, half-jokingly, that he would like to race that unknown kid training in 125 cc. one day, everyone thought that that was another of his funny boutades. But, intelligent as he is and a true racer, Rossi had been studying Pedrosa for the last three and he KNEW what was coming in 06, much better than what we all imagine. For the same reason that the young, bold and big-mouthed 250 cc. champion Valentino Rossi publicly laughed at Biaggi. Because a genius identifies who is and who isn't such.

When he declared that his contenders for the 06 title were going to be the new young talents arriving to the class, he meant Stoner and Pedrosa, of course. What amazes me is that even his most fanatic tifosi didn't believe him. They self-deluded themselves thinking about Hayden and Melandri, hey, rembember Laguna Seca 05 and Turkey 05. Listen to Rossi instead, I say, he knows his business.

Anyway, Rossi doubted. He knew that he could ask for the ultimate 990 cc. weapon by solving the insidious problem of the lack of grunt power at high regimes. He thought that a proven and undisputed champion bike wasn't enough this time. He was in an enviable position to ask whatever to the Japanese and that hadn't happened in the top class since Mick Doohan. That must feel like a punching high of sheer power. Also, everyone knows that the Japanase smile nervously and shake their heads when talked to.

It was too tempting to ask Japan for a brand new weapon of mass destruction... and he succumbed to the temptation. That was his only mistake. By raising the stake, he over-stretched the chasis of a bike that was already difficult to set-up. Then everything went awry. The chatter and his crashing out of desperation to make that powerful but picky bike winning again wasn't bad luck indeed. It was the consequence of his only moment of doubt in the last years.

But Valentino Rossi can get away once more with everything if he snatches the championship, which I believe he will. Thanks to a bike that finally is begining to pay its duty.

Nice artic...could pass as a column. Are you a writer by the way, well if you don't mind my asking...





The bike's not working properly, just the same...and I agree with your last sentence: " (...) a bike that finally is beginning to pay its duty." --- might summarize my point of argument.

IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM, is the M1 even near the monster that is the RC211V.....are you guys ........???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Aug 24 2006, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM, is the M1 even near the monster that is the RC211V.....are you guys ........???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Aug 24 2006, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM, is the M1 even near the monster that is the RC211V.....are you guys ........???
now that's to the point! ah hamer ya have a gentle way about ya

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 24 2006, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> now that's to the point! ah hamer ya have a gentle way about ya

yeah i'm about as sutle as an ... whooping!

but it's true.....the HONDA is by far the best bike out there, and has been for years... the only reason Yamaha have got to the point they're at right now, is the pilot...nothing else, yeah Rossi has helped develop it, and has helped big time, but it's still no where near the RC... I'd bet my Balls that Dani would not be doing as well if he were on the M1....

Yamahamer-AL, add some facts to 'the Honda is SO good', 'oh my God, I just can't believe, the M1 is SO crap', 'Rossi is my little yellow princess', 'Yeah, but, no, but yeah, because Pedrosa doesn't smile?' tirade, c'mon, try and feel proud of yourself.

YAAAWWN

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Aug 24 2006, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamahamer-AL, add some facts to 'the Honda is SO good', 'oh my God, I just can't believe, the M1 is SO crap', 'Rossi is my little yellow princess', 'Yeah, but, no, but yeah, because Pedrosa doesn't smile?' tirade, c'mon, try and feel proud of yourself.

YAAAWWN

facts??? are you serious??? have you ever even seen a race???
look at the past 30 ....... years of GP history! look at the stats! this has nothing to do with the little fagget not smiling or any ryder, this has to do with the "machines".... what machine is better? the HONDA...pick up a book look at the history, if you'd stop finger ....... your self during a race you might learn somthing.........

haga ur just like ur man himself, way off line and out f..... control.. theres six hondas v 1 yam , honda made it clear they wanted rossi and yam this year, if the yam was that good then edwards would be showing,, in 2004 mcn said rossi gudnt win cus of the yam

braking down, ok its took 2 years to happen, its got power yes but at what
cost? man ur a muppet.. 7 hondas by the way if not more..

Could some you people come up with logic instead of saying "Yamaha is crap compared to the Honda" people aren't stupid, haven't you seen the oh so crappy Yamaha blitz the honda through cornering and Top speed? or is that Rossi's fartin capability that gives the yamaha abit of grunt? and if Dani was on the same bike, with the same attention, he'd do just fine.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Aug 24 2006, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>facts??? are you serious??? have you ever even seen a race???
look at the past 30 ....... years of GP history! look at the stats! this has nothing to do with the little fagget not smiling or any ryder, this has to do with the "machines".... what machine is better? the HONDA...pick up a book look at the history, if you'd stop finger ....... your self during a race you might learn somthing.........

'slowly backs away from computer'
'runs to the door but slips on the floor'

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Aug 24 2006, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Could some you people come up with logic instead of saying "Yamaha is crap compared to the Honda" people aren't stupid, haven't you seen the oh so crappy Yamaha blitz the honda through cornering and Top speed? or is that Rossi's fartin capability that gives the yamaha abit of grunt? and if Dani was on the same bike, with the same attention, he'd do just fine.
'slowly backs away from computer'
'runs to the door but slips on the floor'


sorry VESPIX, didn't mean it to sound like i was snapping at ya...this old man at wrk keeps pissinf me off...

proof? here's just a bit......but it's always the same...the HONDAS are always faster.....