Some people have been saying that Rossi's Yamaha isn't as good as Dani's Honda. I'm sceptical about that right now. After watching the battle between Pedrosa and Rossi on Sunday, I'm pretty convinced that Yamaha is in fact comparable with the Honda. I could see both riders are pushing hard to overtake each other and they manage to do that a few times without any problems. I don't see either bike slacken and they're able to keep on pace with each other. It's only when Dani made the mistake of going wide and thus letting Rossi slip away from him. Performance wise between the two bikes, I would like to believe it's on par with each other right now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Rossi's Yamaha vs Dani's Honda
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You're right, I think. You don't need to match Rossi and Pedrosa to compare rides. Assen is an example of the M1 on a par with its rivals. If anything, the Honda is less manouvrable in the corners but easier to fine-tune and consistent in most circuits.
The M1, with the engine from Le Mans, seems to remain true to its predecessors: it is among the best bike of the grid, if not the best in some circuits... only very tricky to set-up.
Rossi hasn't had bad luck this season, though he won't admit it, of course, he isn' stupid, hehe. He risked his championship for the new 06 engine and he knew what he was doing. It is a beast of an engine, like never before; you only need to watch the acceleration it has combined with its top speed.
Everything is over-stretched now at the yellow box; the chatter, the engine breaking, the (front!) tyre sending chunks of rubber away, Rossi crashing too much (again, but not as much as in his first season in 500 cc) simply because the M1 is so sensitive.
The M1, with the engine from Le Mans, seems to remain true to its predecessors: it is among the best bike of the grid, if not the best in some circuits... only very tricky to set-up.
Rossi hasn't had bad luck this season, though he won't admit it, of course, he isn' stupid, hehe. He risked his championship for the new 06 engine and he knew what he was doing. It is a beast of an engine, like never before; you only need to watch the acceleration it has combined with its top speed.
Everything is over-stretched now at the yellow box; the chatter, the engine breaking, the (front!) tyre sending chunks of rubber away, Rossi crashing too much (again, but not as much as in his first season in 500 cc) simply because the M1 is so sensitive.
i disagree. the honda is much better. rossi's race craft is just superb & he simply beat pedrosa........... who is still a ROOKIE. & imo was smart to settle for 3rd. if the yamaha were that good, others would be competitive on it but they are not are they. don't forget the rossi factor!
I've been saying for ages that the Yamaha is as good as any other bike. Its obviously better through cornering and its top speed is just below par with the Honda's. Sometimes it even seem like the Honda's need to catch up abit.
O-k-a-y.... put pedrosa on the yam and rossi on the honda then you can forget it dani. if you take pedrosa, stoner, elias, melandri AND hayden off the hondas and put then on anything else it'd be a whole different story. the only thing the yamaha has got is agility, something yamaha have always been famous for. the thing with rossi on it is that he has the bike just the way he wants it, pre-rossi the yamaha had far to many chassis variables, he picked the ones he liked and thats the direction they've followed, edwards is finding it difficult but where are the other yamahas? even considering the dunlop factor checa is no slouch and also no stranger to the m1, look how he's doing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Aug 23 2006, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>O-k-a-y.... put pedrosa on the yam and rossi on the honda then you can forget it dani. if you take pedrosa, stoner, elias, melandri AND hayden off the hondas and put then on anything else it'd be a whole different story.
ain't that the truth!!!!
ain't that the truth!!!!
Im with Skid.. Put the honda boys on Yamahas and they wouldnt be as quick as on a honda. Melandri moved to Honda for this reason. I think the honda is just all round better, so consistant at all tracks!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Aug 23 2006, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Elías is doing worse on the Honda than he did last year on the Yamaha.
that's cause he's lost his confidence.
that's cause he's lost his confidence.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Aug 23 2006, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Elías is doing worse on the Honda than he did last year on the Yamaha.
And the pace is real hot this year, I wonder how his laptimes compare on the yam against the honda, he's probably faster on the honda
And the pace is real hot this year, I wonder how his laptimes compare on the yam against the honda, he's probably faster on the honda
I guess Yamaha isnt very good as Honda as . I think Rossi doesnt believe Yamaha's real power too. But Rossi is still rossi with his experiecenses and his power what is bigger than his motorcycles power
Dani is a rookie but have capacity. But rossi is MotoGP's new generation god =D
Actually technical power is very important. And Yamaha isnt in equality.
Dani is a rookie but have capacity. But rossi is MotoGP's new generation god =D
Actually technical power is very important. And Yamaha isnt in equality.
Oh, I didn't expect this to be so controversial (I bet you did, Ros, hehe).
1. Did Edwards suffer to lead in Assen. Nope.
2. Has the M1 been overtaken in any single straight so far. Humm, no.
3. Does the M1 accelerate more than the Honda. Yes, LeMans and Brno (Toby Moody, the old ...., not being suspect of bias to Pedrosa, couldn't help but shouting at the lap 17 in Brno: Pedrosa [is] struggling against the Yamaha's power!
Pedrosa didn't have a chance to try and chase Capirossi in Brno, like he naively tried in Jerez, because he still is too cautious in regards to Hayden and Rossi.
I agree that if you are a rookie, you'll want a Honda. If are a super-champion and you want the power of a whole factory behind you, you'll want the Yamaha.
Again, Rossi is right, the man prevails. Man meaning talent, plus experience plus motivation. That's why he won.
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Skidmark, c'mon, Dunlop plus anything, Yamaha or else, is equal to zero. Checa is racing for fun.
1. Did Edwards suffer to lead in Assen. Nope.
2. Has the M1 been overtaken in any single straight so far. Humm, no.
3. Does the M1 accelerate more than the Honda. Yes, LeMans and Brno (Toby Moody, the old ...., not being suspect of bias to Pedrosa, couldn't help but shouting at the lap 17 in Brno: Pedrosa [is] struggling against the Yamaha's power!
Pedrosa didn't have a chance to try and chase Capirossi in Brno, like he naively tried in Jerez, because he still is too cautious in regards to Hayden and Rossi.
I agree that if you are a rookie, you'll want a Honda. If are a super-champion and you want the power of a whole factory behind you, you'll want the Yamaha.
Again, Rossi is right, the man prevails. Man meaning talent, plus experience plus motivation. That's why he won.
P.S.
Skidmark, c'mon, Dunlop plus anything, Yamaha or else, is equal to zero. Checa is racing for fun.
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I believe that the Yam is as good as, if not better than the Honda. Rossi isnn't as good as you all thing he is. "He is norhing special" The words of Dani Pedrosa is MCN this week and I agree with him. Up until this year Rossi has had it easy but now we see 4 or 5 of the most talented riders for a long time who are battling it out with him for race wins. Rossi isn't the god you all think he is!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Aug 23 2006, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, I didn't expect this to be so controversial (I bet you did, Ros, hehe).
1. Did Edwards suffer to lead in Assen. Nope.
2. Has the M1 been overtaken in any single straight so far. Humm, no.
3. Does the M1 accelerate more than the Honda. Yes, LeMans and Brno (Toby Moody, the old ...., not being suspect of bias to Pedrosa, couldn't help but shouting at the lap 17 in Brno: Pedrosa [is] struggling against the Yamaha's power!
Pedrosa didn't have a chance to try and chase Capirossi in Brno, like he naively tried in Jerez, because he still is too cautious in regards to Hayden and Rossi.
I agree that if you are a rookie, you'll want a Honda. If are a super-champion and you want the power of a whole factory behind you, you'll want the Yamaha.
Again, Rossi is right, the man prevails. Man meaning talent, plus experience plus motivation. That's why he won.
P.S.
Skidmark, c'mon, Dunlop plus anything, Yamaha or else, is equal to zero. Checa is racing for fun.
Good points Ves, assen, you got me there, edwards rode his pants off and the bike worked a dream.
le mans, the yam looked so fast there i reckon it was as tuned up as far as it could be and it in the end it .... bolts.
And yes dunlop are racing for fun, it's less embarrasing than stopping their involvement in motogp, they've gotta up their game.
As to whether the honda is superior to anything else, i really do think so, but i could be wrong. i do believe that the m1 is so much 'rossi's bike' that it would be very difficult for anyone else to be consistently competitive on it, no controversy here.
1. Did Edwards suffer to lead in Assen. Nope.
2. Has the M1 been overtaken in any single straight so far. Humm, no.
3. Does the M1 accelerate more than the Honda. Yes, LeMans and Brno (Toby Moody, the old ...., not being suspect of bias to Pedrosa, couldn't help but shouting at the lap 17 in Brno: Pedrosa [is] struggling against the Yamaha's power!
Pedrosa didn't have a chance to try and chase Capirossi in Brno, like he naively tried in Jerez, because he still is too cautious in regards to Hayden and Rossi.
I agree that if you are a rookie, you'll want a Honda. If are a super-champion and you want the power of a whole factory behind you, you'll want the Yamaha.
Again, Rossi is right, the man prevails. Man meaning talent, plus experience plus motivation. That's why he won.
P.S.
Skidmark, c'mon, Dunlop plus anything, Yamaha or else, is equal to zero. Checa is racing for fun.
Good points Ves, assen, you got me there, edwards rode his pants off and the bike worked a dream.
le mans, the yam looked so fast there i reckon it was as tuned up as far as it could be and it in the end it .... bolts.
And yes dunlop are racing for fun, it's less embarrasing than stopping their involvement in motogp, they've gotta up their game.
As to whether the honda is superior to anything else, i really do think so, but i could be wrong. i do believe that the m1 is so much 'rossi's bike' that it would be very difficult for anyone else to be consistently competitive on it, no controversy here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Aug 23 2006, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Honda is better than the Yamaha. But not by much. Add to that Rossi, Burgess and the boys, Rossi's package is greater than or equal to any Honda package out there.
Greater than or equal??? come on!! obviously the M1 has less HP, Hayden's and Pedrosa's bike is has a better performance.....Rossi's M1 has died on him twice this season. The Hondas have not had a problem all year long.l
Greater than or equal??? come on!! obviously the M1 has less HP, Hayden's and Pedrosa's bike is has a better performance.....Rossi's M1 has died on him twice this season. The Hondas have not had a problem all year long.l
I think Vale's bike has more power than Dani's Honda because he couldn't overtake (he couldn't even get side by side!) in the straights despite Dani being lighter and smaller.
But Vale's bike seems difficult to set up, the fact that Vale is the only Michelin rider using the old size of tyre probably doesn't help him because there is no one else to get data from, but that was Vale's choice.
Overall I'd rather be on a HRC than a works Yamaha, but those Rossi fans that think that Dani is ahead of Rossi just because of the bike are fooling themselves.
But Vale's bike seems difficult to set up, the fact that Vale is the only Michelin rider using the old size of tyre probably doesn't help him because there is no one else to get data from, but that was Vale's choice.
Overall I'd rather be on a HRC than a works Yamaha, but those Rossi fans that think that Dani is ahead of Rossi just because of the bike are fooling themselves.
