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Rossi's Legacy Tainted

ITS ACTUALLY SURPRISINGLY TRUE ITS WHAT YOU DO ON RACE DAY (not the practice day or even the fast lap to get you a podium start)!




Have to say, we appreciate your dedication.......freezing in undies and all to help point out what a complete hash Bunny has made of himself here.



This is something that the Stoner faithful don't/cant' comprehend. Previously I've likened them at present to a very Horney teenager who hasn't had any action for a very, very long time, then he see's a topless buxom female on the beach and instantly messes his pants.......just wait, if CS tops the time sheet in FP1 at Qatar some of them may even go into cardiac arrest.......







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So you believe that Rossi should have stayed at Yamaha and not taken the 5m payrise. That's a hell of a lot of money to walk away from and what makes you so special that you can judge him for that. The question is, if Yamaha offered him the same money instead of giving it to Lorenzo, do you think he would still have gone? I think he would have stayed - to me the money was the insult/final straw. You can put up with teammate friction if the money is right.



From a competition basis, I wish Rossi had stayed with Yamaha in the sense that I believe that he can still give it to Lorenzo all things being equal. 2010 was not indicative of Rossi's ability. He's not that old that he needs to stop.



As for Stoner, there is no doubt the bike was difficult to ride in 2007 and that's why noone else matched Stoner on the Ducati. However, if Stoner was cloned and put on the Yamaha in that year, the Ducati would still have won. Why? The superior handling of the Yamaha was not enough to make up for the superior speed of the Ducati - the difference was too great. Go back to the opening couple of races, Rossi ate Stoner through the corners and every time he came to the straight Stoner would blast past. Anyone can ride a bike quickly in a straight line. I would have had more respect for Stoner there if he was holding Rossi out on the corners.



You can talk about karma but you are being a little premature. Stoner hasn't won a race yet on a Honda and Rossi hasn't lost a race yet on a Ducati. It seems like Stoner fans are coming out of the woodwork and all blowing their loads before the season has even started. Must be their first time...



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Actually no I didn't he probably had a good reason.
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But why moan now? And why is he the only rider to have this headline??



I suppose bad press is always good press. But having a moaner in the pit area day in day out can't do much for moral within the team. I bet if you or anyone esle are savvy enough and want to prove me wrong,l over the years Stoner and Rossi where at their respective long term teams you could follow the rise and fall of Ductai's and Yamaha's fste shares match with their results on the track and any .... that was going off. Look at Nike's through the Tiger woods debarcle. I bet you £50 (which at the moment i ain't got) by the end of the year depending on performance of Rossi Ducati shares will have peaked. Lets see how Yamaha do this year and Honda I bet they stay the same with a slight fluctuation.



But my statement was just as daft as everyone else saying Rossi's legacy is tainted. Thats like saying every other sportsman who has had years at the top who slowly start to lose their edge, and start that downward spiral has had their legacy tainted. Its only the brave that after bad accidents and not so great seasons will they continue on. The ones who still have that fighting spirit and can't let go - not just yet anyway go out this way with worse results. But then again its only the really clever that quit when they are on top (sergy bubka - another hero of mine).
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A tainted legacy springs to mind a legacy that was found to actually be based on cheating, pay off's and performance enhancing drugs.
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Every performers leagcy has to come to an end at some point. And it is up to them how it ends. Rossi's dream was to spend his final years on an italian bike, he now has it.
 
This is something that the Stoner faithful don't/cant' comprehend.



So Talps, this being the case, why does your claims that VR has been faster than CS have relevance to the season?



I mean, it was simply a test.



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But in all seriousness for a minute, I agree with the overall sentiment that in terms of season ending results, testing means nothing as it is what happens on race day that counts at seasons end and testing just means bragging rights and head scratching for a short time











Gaz
 
WELL I'VE READ IT NOW!!! Still see it as a moaner getting worried.



Way i see it, it's an extended day of PRACTICE SESSIONS that you don't have to do the entire 45minutes and you don't have to go out on every one of them. Secondly the race has been moved earlier in the year and i may need correcting but earlier in the day to prevent the cold hitting the tyres rapidly. Having one less practice session to me seems hazardous anyway. One extra day can only prevent him from coming off again.







"But Repsol Honda rider Stoner, who crashed out of the lead in last year's race, said: "I don't like it. It is very difficult because at the time that we have to ride, late in the evening, the track conditions are very bad, cold and unpredictable. I would be better if we could ride a little earlier. But for a Grand Prix to last four days is too long. For me that's not the ideal, but everyone would be in the same situation, so we will go on as we have".





Am i bit stupid but the statement before Stoners comment actually agreess with him that conditions are too cold but then they say they moved it to earlier in the day because of the earlier start to the season. His complaint is an extra practice day!!!!



"The changes are to ensure that the showcase MotoGP race takes places earlier on Sunday night after a series of complaints that conditions are too cold for the tyres.



The race has been moved forward to March 20, further increasing worries about the cold temperatures in the evening and subsequent moisture in the air that led to several crashes during testing at the spectacular Losail International Circuit last year."




I have to say i would be complaining to put the Quatar race later in the year if cold and damp is an issue to all riders. But then again what about all the races when it pisses it down? Surely it has the same effects. Berni Ecc has recently said he wants to create rain to make his sport more interesting, i'm with him on that. MotoGP would be completly boring if every race track was the same temprature and same weather conditions.
 
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Once someone could ride that Ducati, it was superfast. Stoner was the only one that got it hooked up and the point is that the Yamaha was glued to the track but got left for dead due to a deficiency in power, not due to a poor rider. Now one deficiency had a greater effect than the other in the early part of the season - it was obvious if you have two eyes. The only way the Yamaha had a chance of keeping up was to get far enough ahead in the corners to stop the Ducati blasting ahead on the straight. You can't deny that wasn't what those early races were about in 07. The longer the straight, the less chance Rossi had. The shorter the straight, the better he went - think Assen 07.



Stoner still had to ride the thing when noone else could. I can appreciate that and I do moreso these days than when watching the tv back in 2007. The implication of what you are saying is that if Stoner was on the Yamaha, he still would have won even if someone could ride the Ducati well. I just don't believe that is the case, it was like watching a Motogp bike against a Moto2 bike.



Your line regarding a good handling bike is far superior to a fast bike is generally true but like all generalisations, they can be very wrong at times. The statement also doesn't take into account the road/track on which that bike is riding. A good handling lesser powered Motogp bike is no good on a dragstrip when up against a more powerful motogp bike. A 125cc bike will outhandle a 800cc bike through corners any day. Where does the 800cc blast past? On the straights. On tighter tracks the gap between 125, Moto2 and Motogp bikes get closer together as the big bikes are not able to make proper use of their strengths. If you can't even acknowledge this, I am wasting my time.

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This argument will never now be resolved; it is a shame if only for the sake of the argument that rossi didn't switch to ducati and stoner to yamaha for 2008 as the post last race test would have been rather interesting. I actually argued in 2007 that stoner on the 2007 yamaha couldn't have beaten himself on the 2007 ducati
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, and perhaps rossi on the 2007 ducati would have beaten stoner on the 2007 yamaha. A more salient question in the context of the argument is whether rossi on the 2007 ducati could have beaten stoner on the 2007 ducati , concerning which I don't think rossi fans can have certitude.



What is definitely true is what babelfish argued at the time, that if you are in a position to do so it does not involve much skill, physical or tactical to blast past someone on the straight with a straight line advanatage, compared with setting someone up for a corner pass. The trick is being in a position to do so, and all evidence now suggests that keeping the ducati even in 2007 in such a position was more than a little difficult. Ducati are open about having designed the bike to be as fast as theoretically possible with little or no concern for rideability, and what aeordynamic or other compromises this involved has not to my knowledge been revealed, and ducati themselves may not have appreciated how compromised the bike was, given that stoner, I agree serendipitously, proved able to ride it. As valentino himself is now saying,the thing won't turn, particularly mid corner; btw I think it is vaguely possible that this characteristic of the bike rather than any lack of stomach (so to speak) for a battle may explain why stoner didn't engage in much rossi style dogfighting during his ducati tenure.



As far as your last statement goes, again I wouldn't seek to detract from any of valentino's championships outside the confines of a discussion with someone seeking to detract from the championship of another rider, but there is an example of bikes of an actual rather than apparent different class racing in the premier class, which occurred in 2002.



This is ancient history though as talpa says, and even just in his career subsequent to 2007 rossi has well outpointed stoner, particularly in 2008, and the many years that he has been able to perform at close to his (very high) peak level are obvious from his record, and are what place him near or at the top of premier class riders in history.
 
Rossi's legacy tainted?



Well...



Rossi's record is not tainted. His racewins and championships stand. Riders eventually always get beaten by the next generation, it doesn't affect their accomplishments I'd say.



His legacy as a whole?



His behaviour in recent years shure has left some pretty serious dents on the 'good guy' image that has surrounded him in the past. He's is under pressure and has been for some time, and it reveals a very ugly side of him. In that sense, yes, his legacy is tainted.
 
I know we haven,t even had race one yet, but it would appear to all but the most faithful or delusional Rossi-fans that Rossi is in for a tough 2011.



The biggest problem for Rossi is that he has finally put himself into the situation where he can be closely compared with another one of his main two rivals. On the Yamaha he was struggling to show superior talent to Lorenzo with equal equipment, to the point that he initially had the "wall " created ,and then subsequently demanded Lorenzos removal from the team. When that didn,t happen his only option was to move to a Stoner-free Ducati team.

Rossi saw Stoner achieve reasonably good results over the years, including many victories at the end of 2010, so Rossis ego made him believe that he could do the same or better on the same bike. This will be his undoing. It was bad enough for him not to dominate Lorenzo, but it is far far worse for him to be seen as inferior to Stoner on the same bike.



This quote is telling.....



"I'd split this group in two factions: one part is made of those who have always been against me, people who don't like me, people who supported [Max] Biaggi first, then [Sete] Gibernau, and then [Casey] Stoner," said Rossi.



"The excuse was that Casey rode for Ducati, but the truth is these people don't like me. There's not much I can do about it, I must accept this situation.



"As for the other part, it's a group of Ducati fans who have always seen me as a rival, so they now struggle to accept me atop a Ducati. Overall, it's people who haven't looked at this union with favour. These are fans I would like to convince and win over with results and with the races."







.............sounds like he is really under pressure, I think largely because he cannot do what Casey could do on the Ducati, and the great Italian dream of an Italian winning on an Italian bike seems a million miles away.

There must be a lot of regrets already........leaving the brilliant Yamaha for the pig-Ducati, for accusing Stoner of not trying hard enough last year. Surely battling Lorenzo on equal footing was a far better situation than the current scenario where he could just be making up the numbers, something the "great Valentino" would never have contemplated.

As Jumkie has stated, Rossi has been the favoured one over the years..........the best bike, special tyres etec etc, Yes, the move to Yamaha was bold, but with JB he always had the trump card to play, and also in those days the opposition wasn,t as strong.



Whatever the case, Rossi (mostly deservedly) built up a reputation as a riding God and became to be regarded as probably the best rider ever. Now that reputation looks to being tarnished to a large degree. If his results are as poor this year as we fear, then Rossis riding skills will (unfairly) be questioned. If there is general recognition that the Ducati really is a pig, then many may say that Rossis famed development and setup skills are not quite what we thought. Already on this , and other, forums the mood has changed. 3 years ago it was almost universally accepted that Rossi lost 2007 because of a distinct bike disadvantage. Now people are not so sure. Except for fans like Talpa.



Talpa hates Stoner, and that hate really seems quite pathological at times. Talpa has argued that Stoner has been ungenerous, he whinges, he blows his stack. Some of this may be true.....I believe in the heat of the moment he has "blown up". I think that he has had a huge resentment of the underplaying of his skills and this has led to a bit of a siege mentality. In hindsight it would seem that his cause for resentment was well justified, as it is only really coming to light this year that the Ducati really was a pig of a bike and that Stoner must have overidden it to get the results he gained. The tide is turning.......even over at Crash.net (Rossi bopperland) the number of Stoner fans is rapidly catching up to Rossi's. However ,over at MCN Talpas relatives still dominate the forum. Funny thing is, like Talpa, after accepting the favoured status of Honda this year, are mostly tipping Pedrosa to beat Stoner...............just like Talpa. Rossi fans really don,t like Stoner.



But for all of Stoners bad behaviour (if there really is that much I doubt), there is a real calculatedness to Rossis approach to his opposition.

His method of undermining and demonizing his strongest opponents was as sinister as it was subtle. Before we knew it Max Biaggi became Bad Max, Sete Gibernau became the pariah, the dobber, the one that was cursed never to win a race ever again. While Rossi had special tyres for all those years, virtually the minute the Bridgestones seemed better, he demanded to get those. He threatened to leave motoGP if he didn,t get what he wanted. There is a pattern emerging. Jumkie has very successfully elaborated on these points many times. You see Rossi is not quite the wonderful funny guy everybody thinks he is. Lorenzo was on the cusp of cementing his world title last year, so what did Rossi do..........did he play a supporting role? Of course not, he,s Valentino Rossi and motoGP is the Valentino Rossi show, so Rossi did his best to take attention away from Lorenzo and try to beat him up in that vital race. A real teammate? His team were not impressed either. So Rossi has an ego and he is competetive. Fair enough. At this level you probably need a bit of both to win, but I think his approach has gone beyond the bounds of good sportsmanship. I don,t think Doohan resorted to the same degree of shenanigans.



So, in summary, we Stoner fans are finally feeling that there is karma, that Stoner is finally being recognised for HIS skills and not the Ducatis speed. That Rossi is breing brought down a peg ot two. The fact that Rossi was not content to fight Lorenzo on equal footing has led to a questioning of his status as still the best rider in the world. Rossi,s arrogance and ego have resulted in a move to Ducati and a dramatic fall from grace so far , and a finish outside the top 3 this year will mean that his legacy as a motorcycle god will be forever tainted.



Here's a short translation for anyone who doesn't want to plough through bunyip's drivel



ROSSI IS BAD

STONER IS GOOD

ROSSI IS BAD

STONER IS GOOD

ROSSI IS BAD

STONER IS GOOD

REPEAT AD INFINITUM

OR JUST UNTIL YOU GET BORED WIH THE STUPIDITY



oh it helps if you ignore number of races/ championships won

The best thing about the upcoming season is that there's a whole bunch of riders capable of fighting for the podium and the championship is open.



Oh well for those of you with your heads up CS's arse - why don't ypu just create a pre-season testing championship and award it to him. He's good, he's fast, BUT let's have the races and then celebrate the new WC - whoever he may be
 
So you believe that Rossi should have stayed at Yamaha and not taken the 5m payrise. That's a hell of a lot of money to walk away from and what makes you so special that you can judge him for that. The question is, if Yamaha offered him the same money instead of giving it to Lorenzo, do you think he would still have gone? I think he would have stayed - to me the money was the insult/final straw. You can put up with teammate friction if the money is right.



From a competition basis, I wish Rossi had stayed with Yamaha in the sense that I believe that he can still give it to Lorenzo all things being equal. 2010 was not indicative of Rossi's ability. He's not that old that he needs to stop.



As for Stoner, there is no doubt the bike was difficult to ride in 2007 and that's why noone else matched Stoner on the Ducati. However, if Stoner was cloned and put on the Yamaha in that year, the Ducati would still have won. Why? The superior handling of the Yamaha was not enough to make up for the superior speed of the Ducati - the difference was too great. Go back to the opening couple of races, Rossi ate Stoner through the corners and every time he came to the straight Stoner would blast past. Anyone can ride a bike quickly in a straight line. I would have had more respect for Stoner there if he was holding Rossi out on the corners.



You can talk about karma but you are being a little premature. Stoner hasn't won a race yet on a Honda and Rossi hasn't lost a race yet on a Ducati. It seems like Stoner fans are coming out of the woodwork and all blowing their loads before the season has even started. Must be their first time...



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Please include link supporting your belief that Rossi took a pay raise. Everything I've read - implied that his pay remained

pretty much the same. Moving to Ducati was a plain case of "cutting off the nose to spite the face." Rossi was cornered

by the young, healthy, talented Lorenzo - and he ran. End of story.
 
WELL I'VE READ IT NOW!!! Still see it as a moaner getting worried.



Way i see it, it's an extended day of PRACTICE SESSIONS that you don't have to do the entire 45minutes and you don't have to go out on every one of them. Secondly the race has been moved earlier in the year and i may need correcting but earlier in the day to prevent the cold hitting the tyres rapidly. Having one less practice session to me seems hazardous anyway. One extra day can only prevent him from coming off again.







"But Repsol Honda rider Stoner, who crashed out of the lead in last year's race, said: "I don't like it. It is very difficult because at the time that we have to ride, late in the evening, the track conditions are very bad, cold and unpredictable. I would be better if we could ride a little earlier. But for a Grand Prix to last four days is too long. For me that's not the ideal, but everyone would be in the same situation, so we will go on as we have".





Am i bit stupid but the statement before Stoners comment actually agreess with him that conditions are too cold but then they say they moved it to earlier in the day because of the earlier start to the season. His complaint is an extra practice day!!!!



"The changes are to ensure that the showcase MotoGP race takes places earlier on Sunday night after a series of complaints that conditions are too cold for the tyres.



The race has been moved forward to March 20, further increasing worries about the cold temperatures in the evening and subsequent moisture in the air that led to several crashes during testing at the spectacular Losail International Circuit last year."




I have to say i would be complaining to put the Quatar race later in the year if cold and damp is an issue to all riders. But then again what about all the races when it pisses it down? Surely it has the same effects. Berni Ecc has recently said he wants to create rain to make his sport more interesting, i'm with him on that. MotoGP would be completly boring if every race track was the same temprature and same weather conditions.

The big issue there, is that when it rains, they have rain tires. The night race in Qatar produces a cold track with dew, and as far as i know, they dont have a dew tire. You get a choice of hard or soft slick if the race is declared a dry race and its difficult to get either up to operating temps. With that being said, everyone has the same problem, Stoner just needs to learn that he doesnt have to wins races in the first 2 laps
 
To be honest, I think this thread isn't as innocent as you want to portray. Its ok to say you don't worship Rossi blah, blah. I am perfectly fine with people having different perspectives. But going to the extent of saying his legacy is tarnished already (even before the season has begun) is a bit thick.



Read the original post again. 99.5% of the negative comments are based on history - not the future.
 
Half naked in underwear, in the cold, with no top? Please, continue...(add pictures to the visual i already have).



Speaking of half naked people, here in the States we had a hall of fame quarterback by the name of Bret Favre. Similar to Rossi, he broke most records and was one of the most popular sports figures. But then he stayed too long and .... started to surface. In two years he became the butt of every sport joke. Starting with Rossi's public moaning of his teammate and laughable demands for Yamaha to can him, only to be beat, has started a similar path.



For me in particular, i had my opinion long before his move to Ducati and how it transpired. The thread asks is Rossi-brand tainted now? Well for me it was long before. It was easy to argue against my opinion since most everything could be brushed away as a baseless conspiracy theory, tho the evidence was there: best machine, team, etc is nothing new, but pref treatment, exclusive tires, skewed influence, added up to a much more successful career than would hav otherwise happened. I know and knew this, only now its started to be vindicated. Its an opinion, and I'm certainly in the minority.
 
Read the original post again. 99.5% of the negative comments are based on history - not the future.

I read the original post.

His points were

- Rossi was made to look ordinary compared to Lorenzo. Even though this involves the Grey area of shoulder injury, I partially agree with this (only for 2010 though). This is the past

- Rossi's legacy is further tainted by his bad performance on Ducati. It is this point I have objection with.

i) If this was based on the past performance, he only has Rossi's 2 preseason test data available to make this comment. Then I would like to say that a legacy is not built/tainted on posting fast/slow laps during pre-season test. Heck, do you even remember who was the 'legend' 10 years back? I don't remember. I consider legacies to be built on memorable performances thorough out a significant amount of time.

ii) If this was based on predictions that Rossi is bound to fail then, I would say that it is based on future - not the history.
 
Developments as I understand it:



1. Rossi tried to block Yamaha from signing Lorenzo, at a time when Rossi had been saying he would retire in a year, maybe two. Yamaha signed Lorenzo, needing insurance for when Rossi left. (Since then of course, Rossi has kept on going, talking about extending his career for at least another 2-3 years).



2. Rossi was very annoyed when Yamaha have Lorenzo a 1-year contract, something they never offered him, only offering 2-year contracts



3. In the run-up to 2010, Rossi pressured Yamaha into dropping Lorenzo, saying basically, "it's him or me". Yamaha wanted to keep both, but Rossi could not accept Lorenzo at Yamaha, and decided to leave. The money was a lesser concern.



4. Over the winter of 2009/2010, Stoner had been growing increasingly dissatisfied with Ducati and their lack of development. They would not listen to him, and he got sick of it, so he decided to leave.



5. At Jerez (the 2nd round of the championship) Stoner signed with Honda.



6. Rossi could choose: Go to Honda and be teammates with Stoner. Unattractive, in part because he'd already been at Honda, and Honda tend to hold grudges (cf. Max Biaggi). Rossi would not have got preferential treatment at Honda, and that's what he wanted (as do all riders, it's just that some can actually get it). Go to Ducati, and be hailed for his bravery, and as part of a magical marketing mix, with two Italian legends.



7. Rossi went to Ducati, for many reasons, but mainly to seize the initiative again, and to become the first man in the senior class to get titles on 3 different bikes.



Rossi's biggest problem is himself: As the undisputed champion and candidate for the title of the greatest motorcycle racer ever, the young riders who have entered the class over the past five years or so have all had a target to chase. They knew they had to work hard at every aspect of their riding to match Rossi, and they have done what it takes to achieve that. The problem with being the best is that you're the one with the target on your back. Rossi has had enough time to get a very, very big target on his back.



Anyway, enough bitching, this is a golden age of racing, perhaps the greatest ever, with three riders pretty well even in terms of outright speed, a fourth so close as to be indistinguishable, a 5th on the way and now on factory machinery, which should help close the gap, a Fabulous Furry Freak Brother who may or may not be good enough, and another youngster in the shape of Marc Marquez who looks very, very much like being the real thing. We're good for some great racing for at least another 5 years.
 
Developments as I understand it:



1. Rossi tried to block Yamaha from signing Lorenzo, at a time when Rossi had been saying he would retire in a year, maybe two. Yamaha signed Lorenzo, needing insurance for when Rossi left. (Since then of course, Rossi has kept on going, talking about extending his career for at least another 2-3 years).



2. Rossi was very annoyed when Yamaha have Lorenzo a 1-year contract, something they never offered him, only offering 2-year contracts



3. In the run-up to 2010, Rossi pressured Yamaha into dropping Lorenzo, saying basically, "it's him or me". Yamaha wanted to keep both, but Rossi could not accept Lorenzo at Yamaha, and decided to leave. The money was a lesser concern.



4. Over the winter of 2009/2010, Stoner had been growing increasingly dissatisfied with Ducati and their lack of development. They would not listen to him, and he got sick of it, so he decided to leave.



5. At Jerez (the 2nd round of the championship) Stoner signed with Honda.



6. Rossi could choose: Go to Honda and be teammates with Stoner. Unattractive, in part because he'd already been at Honda, and Honda tend to hold grudges (cf. Max Biaggi). Rossi would not have got preferential treatment at Honda, and that's what he wanted (as do all riders, it's just that some can actually get it). Go to Ducati, and be hailed for his bravery, and as part of a magical marketing mix, with two Italian legends.



7. Rossi went to Ducati, for many reasons, but mainly to seize the initiative again, and to become the first man in the senior class to get titles on 3 different bikes.



Rossi's biggest problem is himself: As the undisputed champion and candidate for the title of the greatest motorcycle racer ever, the young riders who have entered the class over the past five years or so have all had a target to chase. They knew they had to work hard at every aspect of their riding to match Rossi, and they have done what it takes to achieve that. The problem with being the best is that you're the one with the target on your back. Rossi has had enough time to get a very, very big target on his back.



Anyway, enough bitching, this is a golden age of racing, perhaps the greatest ever, with three riders pretty well even in terms of outright speed, a fourth so close as to be indistinguishable, a 5th on the way and now on factory machinery, which should help close the gap, a Fabulous Furry Freak Brother who may or may not be good enough, and another youngster in the shape of Marc Marquez who looks very, very much like being the real thing. We're good for some great racing for at least another 5 years.

I never understood the big deal about 1 and 2 year contracts. I know the rider feels the 1 year contract gives them more options and bargaining power sooner if things go well, but does that really outweigh the security of 2 years if things dont go well, or their is serious injury that could keep you out for over a year. Obviously they think so. I guess if your an alien, and things just tend to go well, you think a lot different than the non alien who is always looking over his shoulder
 
I never understood the big deal about 1 and 2 year contracts. I know the rider feels the 1 year contract gives them more options and bargaining power sooner if things go well, but does that really outweigh the security of 2 years if things dont go well, or their is serious injury that could keep you out for over a year. Obviously they think so. I guess if your an alien, and things just tend to go well, you think a lot different than the non alien who is always looking over his shoulder



After 2007, Rossi had put a lot of pressure on Yamaha to sign a 1 year deal. It looked like he could be stuck up against a faster Ducati two years' in a row. Then came "Bridgestone-gate" and Rossi demanding better tires. Rossi didn't want to get stuck on an uncompetitive bike two years' running, which could have happened with two-year deals.



One more factor I forgot in the above summary: Rossi knew that Furusawa was leaving, and this played a significant role in his decision-making. With so many things stacked against him at Yamaha, the reasons to leave outweighed the reasons to stay.
 
The talk of Yamaha making Rossi look ordinary is sort of the same treatment Edwards got.



Edwards was great in testing because of his consistency and was Michelin's top tire tester so he has a feel for when something is different and what it means.

When Rossi was upfront Edwards was no where and when Rossi was having problems with the bike/tires/injury Edwards was immediately up front.



Sort of makes you wonder how hard the guys that aren't the teams #1 have it and if they actually get the same treatment/equipment.





The only real way to determine who is best is to put them on identical (as can be prepared) motorcycles.
 
After 2007, Rossi had put a lot of pressure on Yamaha to sign a 1 year deal. It looked like he could be stuck up against a faster Ducati two years' in a row. Then came "Bridgestone-gate" and Rossi demanding better tires. Rossi didn't want to get stuck on an uncompetitive bike two years' running, which could have happened with two-year deals.



One more factor I forgot in the above summary: Rossi knew that Furusawa was leaving, and this played a significant role in his decision-making. With so many things stacked against him at Yamaha, the reasons to leave outweighed the reasons to stay.

So, is it just Rossi bucking the trend, or do other riders prefer 1 year contracts
 

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