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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Nov 20 2009, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What you on about Bunyip, we (Curve, Talpa, Mdublub and Myself) are not creating any stoner hate threads unlike you and few others do it on ragular basis about Rossi so stop the BS and don't make yourself look like a fool anymore.

How can I be critical of Rossi? He is the greatest rider of all time , a motorcycling genius, a marketing genius, a manipulating genius. He is the master of most things motorcycling. I have never said otherwise. I do however, not say that he will continue to be infallable, because hungry young opponents are on the rise and a change in the old order is inevitable. It is the blind fervour of the boppers that irk me , no less no more. Judge all the riders on their strengths and weaknesses and try to be fair in the appraisal of their skills and faults. My message here is, that the fans that want constant good vibes are extra defensive of the guy that gives them that high. Defensive to the point of irrationality. Defensive to the point of personal abuse (yes you Mudcurve). As soon as you descend to these base responses ,what little credibility that remains is lost.........
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Also.........Michael you either confuse or dismay me , or is it the other way round!

Anyway...........with friends like you ,who needs enemas (enemies) or is it.......with enemies like you, who needs friends ) . Your attempts to be more than fair are very unfair..........
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Can I join you with that Pinot? But I,d really prefer a Jacobs Creek St. Hugo thankyou very much.
Next shout is on me........
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 20 2009, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also.........Michael you either confuse or dismay me , or is it the other way round!

Anyway...........with friends like you ,who needs enemas (enemies) or is it.......with enemies like you, who needs friends ) . Your attempts to be more than fair are very unfair..........
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Can I join you with that Pinot? But I,d really prefer a Jacobs Creek St. Hugo thankyou very much.
Next shout is on me........
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Amisfield rocky knoll central otago pinot, better than most if not all australian cabernets in my view, although I am also partial to st hugo in a good year. I didn't like them changing the nomenclature to jacob's creek from orlando, presumably for reasons of commerce or fashion, though.

I thought that I had actually reinforced your point, exaggerated though it may have been possibly for rhetorical reasons, that criticism of (some) rossi fans does not necessarily equate to criticism of rossi himself
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 20 2009, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its really quite interesting how all the most rabid Rossiboppers have identified themselves with their strident denials and personal attacks. I could hardly have done a better job of netting this pack of extreme fans. It fulfills my argument with no further explanation. Mdublub, check. Curve ,check. Talpa, check, Inam check. Yup almost all present and accounted for. Now all I need to do is lock you in a room with Jumkie for a month of re-education
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Of course we checked in on your "scientific analysis" of Rossi. But it seems you couldn't real us all in bundip, more like we pulled you overboard and tore you and the ........ you brought with you apart.

Rossi has put in a lifetime of work to be the greatest of all time. You should learn to respect that, because who knows if you will ever see another goat in your lifetime. And if it is Casey, you have made it very clear that you hate all things good, who will you root for then? Stop digging yourself a hole, quit hatin just to hate.

ps I see you have started using spell check. Good for you!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 19 2009, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rosssi is too easy to follow- he wins, he smiles for the camera, he has charisma, he creates humour (and that means his behind the scenes manipulating is easier to excuse). Following Stoner is much harder: the lack of charisma, the limited praise of his combatants, his constant injuries and poor health. I think it would (would have been) easy to support Toseland. Charming in person, dogged spirit, a talented musician. I think we Stoner fans deserve a lot of credit for supporting the sour one. You see, its a bit like being there with your poxy younger brother at the local tennis comp. He,s playing this cool guy (imagine Brad Pitt or George Clooney) and your brother is a weedy ugly guy that spits constantly. But you still support him, because he is family, and few others support him. He may also happen to be a bloody good tennis player, that is a real pleasure to watch. Freakish shots you don,t see very often.
This past few years I have stopped supporting our national rugby league and cricket teams. When we play NZ in league, I go for them. When our cricket team plays anybody, I hope for an upset, Why? Because there comes a time when you perceive arrogance in a team , and the less talented , but dedicated opponent seems more appealing. You support the underdog. Many people do, because they see the less talented one having a real go, and the other guy has most of the support anyway. Thats why I have an issue with fair-weather fans; There is no commitment to the guy that fails, the guy that is less appealing. There is more of a desire to protect ones own feelings than show dedicated support to an also ran.
Obviously not all Rossi fans are fair -weather fans , but I do believe that the loudest Rossi supporters here may well fit that category, and I was only giving a reason why. I specifically mentioned the fact that I support Casey more than CV now, so I am not perfect either. However Alex Espargaro is my no 2.
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I was a touch provocative, but wanted to see how long FWF no 1 talpa would take to respond
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And Babel too........
That's a new one. From full frontal attack at everyone not doing exactly as you do, to this!
A post full of nothing but an unsecure person defending his own choises.
Bunny, no one attack you for your choises, now please do the same for us.
Right now you sound almost bipolar.

We all know about band wagon jumpers, as you just admitted, you are one of them, lot's of others here did the same thing when hayden and stoner won, but the die hard Rossi ....ers stayed when the weather turnd bad during those years, all of us and we were all members of this forum so it easy to check (except Talpa that is). Talking fair weather fans you shoud instead check how how many became members in '07 supporting Stoner and now droping sour comments against Rossi fans (for being fair wether fans as an example
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"And Babel too......"
Pleeeeeaaase. This is going to be a long winter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 20 2009, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can I be critical of Rossi? He is the greatest rider of all time , a motorcycling genius, a marketing genius, a manipulating genius. He is the master of most things motorcycling. I have never said otherwise. I do however, not say that he will continue to be infallable, because hungry young opponents are on the rise and a change in the old order is inevitable.
I challenge you: in what way does what you say above differentiate you from any Rossi fan sayings?
Don't bother, because we all know the answere, NOTHING.
It's just that you don't mean that at all, do you? No we should:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>It is the blind fervour of the boppers that irk me , no less no more. Judge all the riders on their strengths and weaknesses and try to be fair in the appraisal of their skills and faults.
and a completly new "reality" emerges in you head, doesn't it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>My message here is, that the fans that want constant good vibes are extra defensive of the guy that gives them that high. Defensive to the point of irrationality. Defensive to the point of personal abuse (yes you Mudcurve). As soon as you descend to these base responses ,what little credibility that remains is lost.........
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Is that so, or is the fact that "the greatest rider of all time" (your words) are too good? Being a fan of another rider challenge you to look at "riders stregths and weaknesses" to desperatly seek som comfort there? A tip to you: there's a deep ocean to look into regarding all the conspiracies. Plent of .... there to make Rossi look smaller, but then again many others have been there and tried that.

I understand that some find it anoying when Rossi fans discuss amongst each other when he fail to reach the podium or even the top of the podium. After all, Jumkie made a career out of fighting those discussions. It's just like you wrote, Rossi is the best out there, and if it was ONLY up to the rider skill there and then he is good enough for a MotoGP podium on ANY given day you know it and it anoys the hell out of you, not? It must be very anoying to know by hart that even if your guy won it was only becuase Rossi's equipment wasn't up to standard.
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I now know the definition of Babylon (babble-on).
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Some tortuous logic there babel.......I,ve never changed my view of Rossi. It just suits your argument to assume this.

As Roo stated, years of biased crap from the likes of you need to be adressed. All the non-sensical excuses for VRs infrequent failures start to grate. The bopper "fans" are my target, not the riders.
Try to find one disparaging comment I have made about a current motogp rider. It will take you a long time.............. I think they are all brilliant, because they provide the spectacle that gives me so much enjoyment.
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Mr Mdub....I stil havent herd teh spiling mastakes ah maed ein my ferst poste. Caan yu hulp me ......puleese.
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Could it be you dont like a bit of vigour or fervour in the harbour of your dreams??

(Don,t mention Vermeulin as spell-check wont pick that up.)


"you hate all things good" Jeez thats a bit of a stretch. All I like to do is support the underdog occasionally. Is that a foreign concept to you. Do you also chant the Talpa mantra - "I am a winner, winners are good, losers must be discarded" . Sheesh. I see a lot more hate in your posts than mine, buddy.
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Quite correct johnny.

As a scientist, I have the unique ability to correctly assimilate and assess all the available data, and come as close to the correct conclusion that current knowledge can provide.

All other rantings are purely speculative subjectivity and can not compete with scientific objective analysis.
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Jeez..are we sentenced to spend the entire closed season slugging it out between the blue (& yellow), and the red corner?

The yellow fever on this forum is as contagious as anywhere else, the Rossi phenomenon is of pandemic proportions, and seemingly knows no bounds . As some have pointed out, there are true worshipers of the GOAT which have been ardently following their idol since '96 and before, but they tend to live in Tavullia and are far too busy for bike racing forums. Then there are those who identified early the fact that the kid had unworldly talent, and most of these began to emerge towards the end of the 1998 250 inaugural season. By the time Rossifumi, sorry, Valentinik, (no, surely he was the doctor by then), -whatever, had graduated to the 500cc class in 2000 it was apparent that something quite extraordinary was emerging - both on and off track. The supernatural abilities of the boy as both a racer and a personality was inspiring a new religion, and come raceday Sunday, the congregation of the cult of custard would convene in huge numbers. Nowhere was this more apparent than in the UK. Where the British GP during the age of Mighty Mick had been characterised by one man and his dog, the tassle jacket and denim cut off brigade, and the old boy with the camouflage hat festooned with enamel badges and a body warmer with badly stitched on Heron Suzuki, John Player and STP patches; suddenly the Donington demographic was changing and couples with kids sporting those funny yellow hats with flowers on had begun to take root alongside Craners usurping the old.

Come the 990 era the domination was complete..it was all to easy. - Rossi was bigger than Dorna, out performed and out-psyched his rivals and transcended the sport itself - he owned it, he owned his adversaries and he owned you. He had even lampooned the mighty HRC and lived to tell the tale, going on to take a mickey mouse M1 to two successive titles and transforming it into the most formidable machine in the paddock...that is until '06. A wrong turn by Yamaha in the chassis department, combined with a season of ill fortune and a doggedly determined and consistent young rider from Kentucky who had come of age and had 990cc written all over his broad infectious smirk contrived to do the unthinkable. Then it happened again - a formula change and another damn fast dirt tracker threw the Jaz'kat' among the 'Pigeon' and a successive defeat resounded around the hallowed halls of the church of Rossi.

But the denomination remained devoted...they kept their faith. How could you not? and now after 9 world titles, the records of such luminaries as Nieto and Hailwood summarily flushed down the toilet, and now - sacrilege, as the sacred sacrament of Agostini prepares to be similarly superseded you simply run out of superlatives.

Yes I agree..people support Rossi because many like sheep flock to a winner. There are undoubtably as Bunyip says a very large proportion of glory hunters who gravitated to Rossi for that very reason - he is the GOAT. And yes, it is the same as those who support Manchester United, come from Dorset and have absolutely no affinity with the City of Manchester, and have never been within 200 square miles of Old Trafford. I very much see where Bunyip is coming from when he speaks of rooting for the underdog. I was stubbornly stoically and staunchly rooting for JT throughout his Moto GP abortion of the last two years. I knew that he stood little chance of stepping onto the block, and I knew that he simply didn't make the grade in what is the pinnacle of bike sport, but those few laps when he was fighting with Rossi at Phillip Island in '08, will stay with me forever and were surely more rewarding to me than those tortuously boring Rossi victories every other week on the Rc211v in the early years of the 'diesels' were to even the most ardent Rossi advocate. But many support Vale because it is easy, believe me -supporting JT is most definitely not.

Valentino is quite simply the greatest phenomenon this sport has ever witnessed, and where we should all celebrate his reign, we should also in the spirit of tolerance allow others to worship and practice their own 'faiths' as opposed to immediately branding any suggestion that the deity of the doctor contains some flaws as heretical blasphemy!! I'll always remember how Pedrosa - pre Estoril - was roundly booed in Parc Ferme at Donington '06 having ridden an impeccable race and dared to despatch an admittedly handicapped Rossi - still smarting from his injuries at Assen, to an unceremonious second - (how dare he) - and that's the sort of mindless 'bopper bull' which I despise.

As much as I have disdain for the little turd, I was pissed when Pedrosa destroyed another year through pre season injury; pained when Casey succumbed to his illness, and frustrated when Jorge threw it down the road at PI effectively ending the last resistance to Vales title bid. Collectively those four are branded the aliens because they have arrived from another planet - and their talent is not of this world. Surely even the most mindless myopic Rossi minion would like to see a fully fit Pedrosa and Stoner, and an error free Lorenzo take it to the wire in a four way fight to the seasons end.

There are many that persistently argue on here that Nicky's '06 title was gifted by circumstance, without probably having the faintest idea about the favourable circumstances which accompanied Luchinelli and Uncini's championship <strike>travesties</strike> sorry, years. Far from being a hollow victory, Burgess himself has opined that this season was far from perfect, and although I would not go as far to venture that this title was a pyrric victory for Vale, it would not have perhaps been celebrated at Sepang were it not for circumstances surrounding Stoner and Pedrosa, and the over exuberance of Por-fuera.

So where do I stand on this? I am in awe of Rossi as the undisputed GOAT, but I am in awe of this sport and those that partake in it. Far from sitting on the fence, I believe that on his day, Casey is simply unbeatable, meantime off his day - sometimes so is Vale - and therein lies the difference. I have been a Dovi bopper since his first ride in 125, but his attempt to assail the four has been derailed by a Texas Tornado, and next year, there's a stronger strorm blowing in from Texas, On that subject, I also strongly suspect that Ben Spies is the next Freddie Spencer.

So I digress, where do I stand? - Mr Roo put this far more eloquently and concisely than I could ever aspire to do....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 20 2009, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In 2009 Ross was the best, and 2008, and in 2007 it was Stoner, then in 2006 Hayden and so on and so forth, I don’t need to cite all the way back to the wood bike contest won by Methuselah.

And we all argue on behalf of “our” riders (continuing that freaky stalker thing), being a Rossi bopper seems to mean however building an impenetrable wall of rhetoric and warped logic to deny years like 2006 and 2007. They begin to sound like conspiracy theory nuts, coming up with all kinds of .... to explain away what is simply “racing”. Rossi never lost because someone else was good, he lost because of (insert silliness here).

The premise always seems to be that Hayden is a luck champion and Stoner is a computer programmer, neither qualifies as a “rider” to a rossibopper. There is only one rider and all the other ones just circle around waiting to fall in behind him and join the “fans” in the reverent worship of their idol. Oh, and no mortal can beat him, but he knows that isn’t true which is why he is such a bitchy whiney sook.
....... Grade A Roo
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 20 2009, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Plus One GS - you rational, logical Canuck, you!!

As I'm sure you know it is baffling to a lot of people how anyone can follow a team that doesn't win and doesn't give all they have year after year. But they haven't heard of the Leafs! And they take things WAY too seriously which leaves them open to all kinds of harrassment. Like somehow if I (or anyone else) take a shot at Rossi they are somehow insulted and feel the pain and have to stand up and be counted defending
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The funny thing is that Rossi wouldn't even care to know them under any circumstance you could imagine. And when you reach the level where you are defending someone you don't know and who couldn't give a .... about you it's time to check into your local nuthouse and talk to a professional. A lot of born-again Christians act the same way and that is even more humorous to me. Like an order of magnitude funnier but still they are both pretty funny situations. And the more you poke at either one of them the more indignant they get and that makes it even MORE funny. How dare! you insult the (insert your idol here along with his alleged greatness) I'll kick your ...!! Oh my god that is funny stuff.
 
Thank you Arrabbiata. Finally a non-antipodean post of substance.

I have always been confused by the limited UK support for Toseland. I met him at a pit walk at PI and he was charming. He is multitalented, as everybody knows his musical skills, I,m sure.
Possibly some Edwards fans have reasons to be a bit miffed, but I think Toseland mishandled that situation. He is probably similarly talented to Vermeulen(possibly better?), which makes him ok in my books.
 
Yeah GS... Da Leafs... Still the most valuable team in the NHL - WTF have they done since '67? Rossi boppers got nothin' on Leafs fans!!!

PS - I'm a Sabres fan...
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Faaarrrck........ Bunny, you been carved up and gutted here like a pumpkin on Halloween!! And even funnier you started the ....!! This is very entertaining.....

I would just like to add, seeing as I keep getting a mention, that I have never questioned and/or ridiculled cs's riding talent, just his attitude, and contrary to the bs being spun here I think Nicky is one the best out there and really hope he can find that extra second next year....as for mindlessly detracting from all other riders, cs being the exception, bar vr, you won't find evidence of that from me...

And it seems even more interesting that once again, the only ones flinging the rossi bopper .... are the cs boppers, heaven forbid if we ever started a cs bopper thread, that's just not cricket hey bunny, oh .... yeah I forgot, your not watching that anymore, Aussies winning too much, what about the ashes? Surely you enjoyed that!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 21 2009, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...., that's just not cricket hey bunny, oh .... yeah I forgot, your not watching that anymore, Aussies winning too much, what about the ashes? Surely you enjoyed that!!!


As an unashamed Aussie cricket bopper I only want one thing...

Bring him back



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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 21 2009, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As an unashamed Aussie cricket bopper I only want one thing...

Bring him back



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Warna would have to go down as the GOAT of Spin........
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 21 2009, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah GS... Da Leafs... Still the most valuable team in the NHL - WTF have they done since '67? Rossi boppers got nothin' on Leafs fans!!!

PS - I'm a Sabres fan...
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I believe I have you both beat. I am a wings fan. The yankee fans of hockey.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 20 2009, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mr Mdub....I stil havent herd teh spiling mastakes ah maed ein my ferst poste. Caan yu hulp me ......puleese.
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Could it be you dont like a bit of vigour or fervour in the harbour of your dreams??

(Don,t mention Vermeulin as spell-check wont pick that up.)


"you hate all things good" Jeez thats a bit of a stretch. All I like to do is support the underdog occasionally. Is that a foreign concept to you. Do you also chant the Talpa mantra - "I am a winner, winners are good, losers must be discarded" . Sheesh. I see a lot more hate in your posts than mine, buddy.
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Now you are just trying to spin and argue just for the sake of an argument. You do hate all things good, thats why you root for the underdog all the time. You don't like the actual win of the underdog, but the lose of the better team/rider. Dont tell me I am wrong, thats why you will jump ship just because someone is an underdog. Cause you like to see others in misery. Of course I enjoy a good upset, but here is the catch. I only like the upset when I am a fan of the rider. Like Nicky in Indy for example, I was bummed for a quick second when vale went down. But then realizing what it did for Nicky's chances. You should of seen how gitty we were in our suite rooting on an underdog. The reason why my posts are full of hate, because you started a thread with no other intent but to disrespect Rossi, the king, the godfather if you will. Learn some respect for christ sake! You are the definition if a hater.

And rooting for casey is not rooting for an underdog, he has the chance to win everytime he is on track. Just like Rossi, Hoergey, and pedders(I guess).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Nov 21 2009, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now you are just trying to spin and argue just for the sake of an argument. You do hate all things good, thats why you root for the underdog all the time. You don't like the actual win of the underdog, but the lose of the better team/rider. Dont tell me I am wrong, thats why you will jump ship just because someone is an underdog. Cause you like to see others in misery. Of course I enjoy a good upset, but here is the catch. I only like the upset when I am a fan of the rider. Like Nicky in Indy for example, I was bummed for a quick second when vale went down. But then realizing what it did for Nicky's chances. You should of seen how gitty we were in our suite rooting on an underdog. The reason why my posts are full of hate, because you started a thread with no other intent but to disrespect Rossi, the king, the godfather if you will. Learn some respect for christ sake! You are the definition if a hater.

And rooting for casey is not rooting for an underdog, he has the chance to win everytime he is on track. Just like Rossi, Hoergey, and pedders(I guess).

Yeah... but nobody knew that in 2006. When young Crashey Stoner moved from Honda and took a seat on the very idiosyncratic Ducati - he was a primo underdog. Go back to threads on Stoner from early 2007 and see how many (how few) people were believing in him.
 

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