Rossi v Stoner: On the Ducati

RCV600RR · Jul 29, 2011

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201107274430/Rossi-e-Stoner-lotta-a-distanza.html

GpOne wrote a very interesting article detailing the difference in performance between Rossi and Stoner on the Ducati. It's a fascinating read, if academic.

cliche guevara · Jul 29, 2011

RCV600RR said:
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201107274430/Rossi-e-Stoner-lotta-a-distanza.html

GpOne wrote a very interesting article detailing the difference in performance between Rossi and Stoner on the Ducati. It's a fascinating read, if academic.

i don't get whats so remarkable about that article to be honest or is there a hidden wisdom or message i didn't get?

bluegreen · Jul 29, 2011

This is going to end well.

djm · Jul 29, 2011

no its not

Mental Anarchist · Jul 29, 2011

Poor article. Race times between seasons is just not relevant. You can really only get relevance from times on the same day at the same time under the same conditions. First place is as fast as that track can be ridden on that day at that time. How you perform in relation to that fastest time is what is relevant.

Goatboy · Jul 29, 2011

It is relevant in giving a picture of the development of the bike, & it is relevant in giving a picture of the development of the other bikes.

Smell the fear, Jesus!

cliche guevara · Jul 30, 2011

why not compare stoners 2011 race times to rossis times on the 2010 m1

or elias 2011 times to gardners in the 80s.

all this really says is that despite their huge efforts ,ducati couldn't improve their bike enough for rossi to ride as good as casey did last year relative to their opponents(at least for the moment it doesn't seem like ducati will be able to celebrate a couple of wins at least)

BarryMachine · Jul 30, 2011

this thread is very ........

http://www.flickr.com/photos/polimom/2325920887/

digger · Jul 30, 2011

BarryMachine said:
this thread is very ........

http://www.flickr.co...mom/2325920887/

you're just upset cause casey is a girls name baz

BarryMachine · Jul 30, 2011

Yeah I know its pretty upsetting.

But anyway, on Rossi and Stoner, there s some talk around lately that Stoner is just demoralizing Rossi on purpose, but I think he is just winning for the winnings sake, what do you reckon?

Wow and how bad is it to be so demoralized buy a guy with a girls name

Pleasant dreams Digger

Mental Anarchist · Jul 30, 2011

Goatboy said:
It is relevant in giving a picture of the development of the bike, & it is relevant in giving a picture of the development of the other bikes.

Smell the fear, Jesus!

If there is any relevance at all it is to do with track and weather conditions between years and even then it is loose at best.

I understand that the media is trying to grasp at anything to paint the picture red46 picture in as good a light as possible because it pleases the masses and additionally paint the picture that the gap is due to bike development forward by Honda and Yamaha rather than backwards by VR/JB and Ducati.

If it makes some feel comfortable then good but it is really just the use of stats out of context to prop up a fantasy.

I am still trying to get my head around the whole fear comment as I can't see any way that the front 3 or fans of any of them could feel the slightest bit of fear from VR or Ducati now or in the foreseeable future based on their results to date on or off track.

digger · Jul 30, 2011

BarryMachine said:
Yeah I know its pretty upsetting.

But anyway, on Rossi and Stoner, there s some talk around lately that Stoner is just demoralizing Rossi on purpose, but I think he is just winning for the winnings sake, what do you reckon?

Wow and how bad is it to be so demoralized buy a guy with a girls name

Pleasant dreams Digger

left that one wide open didnt I? haha smart arse

BarryMachine · Jul 30, 2011

digger said:
left that one wide open didnt I? haha smart arse

Like wheelieing at the start of Laguna straight !

Goatboy · Jul 30, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
If there is any relevance at all it is to do with track and weather conditions between years and even then it is loose at best.

No-one said it was exact science, but it sure as hell is a comparison the teams themselves use to gauge performance.

I understand it's not telling you what you want to hear so your upset.

Mental Anarchist · Jul 30, 2011

Goatboy said:
No-one said it was exact science, but it sure as hell is a comparison the teams themselves use to gauge performance.

I understand it's not telling you what you want to hear so your upset.

I only ever hear the teams and Rossi himself compare themselves to the winner of the race. I haven't any of them say "we finished 30sec behind the leader but that doesn't matter because good news we finished the race faster than someone did last year so we are so happy, we rock!"

But then I am happy to read where they have said such things if you can post up the links.

BarryMachine · Jul 30, 2011

Goatboy said:
No-one said it was exact science, but it sure as hell is a comparison the teams themselves use to gauge performance.

I understand it's not telling you what you want to hear so your upset.

Hey Goat have you seen this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/polimom/2325920887/

study it ........ then get over it

Mental has you in a glass bowl by the way

Goatboy · Jul 30, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
I only ever hear the teams and Rossi himself compare themselves to the winner of the race. I haven't any of them say "we finished 30sec behind the leader but that doesn't matter because good news we finished the race faster than someone did last year so we are so happy, we rock!"

But then I am happy to read where they have said such things if you can post up the links.

So your basically saying that they don't look at data from the previous year? You haven't seen sundry interviews discussing using set-up data, & hence time comparison from the previous year? & You believe that there is absolutely nothing to be learned from that.

I would drop the Anarchist part of your name if I were you.

Mental Anarchist · Jul 30, 2011

Goatboy said:
So your basically saying that they don't look at data from the previous year? You haven't seen sundry interviews discussing using set-up data, & hence time comparison from the previous year? & You believe that there is absolutely nothing to be learned from that.

I would drop the Anarchist part of your name if I were you.

Wow now there is a stretch. This is going to be interesting to see how you can attach suspension settings, gearbox settings, engine and traction settings to lap time from the previous year. I feel sorry that you think data to an engineer includes time with a whole bunch of different variables. Do they in FP1 with supposedly last years settings dialled in as a start point roll out and do the exact same time as the last lap of the previous year?

I propose this. Teams don't give a flying .... about the times they did last year.

If you wish to talk about changing usernames I suggest you change yours to "the goats ....." as it most aptly describes your validity in a discussion on MotoGP. Or perhaps you could borrow from my name and call your self 'Mental Fantasy' because that would describe the version of dribble that you are presenting.

Goatboy · Jul 30, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
Wow now there is a stretch. This is going to be interesting to see how you can attach suspension settings, gearbox settings, engine and traction settings to lap time from the previous year. I feel sorry that you think data to an engineer includes time with a whole bunch of different variables. Do they in FP1 with supposedly last years settings dialled in as a start point roll out and do the exact same time as the last lap of the previous year?

I propose this. Teams don't give a flying .... about the times they did last year.

If you wish to talk about changing usernames I suggest you change yours to "the goats ....." as it most aptly describes your validity in a discussion on MotoGP. Or perhaps you could borrow from my name and call your self 'Mental Fantasy' because that would describe the version of dribble that you are presenting.

I understand, I understand that these comparisons are not telling you what you want to hear so you are upset. You thought you had eradicated all doubt about Stoner but you haven't. You're just going to have to live with it I'm afraid.

However if you seriously think that any data is disregarded, especially in Ducati's situation, well you're just being naive.

BarryMachine · Jul 30, 2011

I just looked up the answer for Rossi v's Stoner on the Ducati .......

Stoner = 24

Rossi = 0

But it doesn't even mention that in that article ???

Rossi v Stoner: On the Ducati

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