Surely they'd (the stewards that is) would look at telemetry to see what happened but if Pedrobot didnt miss a gear have the TC cut in big style or whatever then how come he was so "slow" out the corner.Also anyone realised the bot was involved in a corner exit incident under the lights last year with Valentino.Maybe the lights do strange things to his programming
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Apr 15 2009, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the lights do strange things to his programming
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Snurfer @ Apr 15 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DeAngelis is just reckless... what caused the contact was that he saw the inside line and gunned it - causing him to wheely and drift out to Dani.
"Gunned it"
As opposed to his usual corner exit, where he only gives it half throttle?
Dude, it's called 'racing.'
I think the idea is to go as fast as possible? "Gunning it" is the whole point.
Pedrosa had some sort of problem, causing him to lose exit speed, otherwise DA wouldn't have been anywhere near him. Alex suddenly had a parked midget in his way and had no where to go. (Don't ya just HATE is when it happens to ya? There otta be a law about them damn midgets parkin' where they shouldn't be parkin'!)
"Gunned it"
As opposed to his usual corner exit, where he only gives it half throttle?
Dude, it's called 'racing.'
Pedrosa had some sort of problem, causing him to lose exit speed, otherwise DA wouldn't have been anywhere near him. Alex suddenly had a parked midget in his way and had no where to go. (Don't ya just HATE is when it happens to ya? There otta be a law about them damn midgets parkin' where they shouldn't be parkin'!)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Apr 15 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude, it's called 'racing.'
I think the idea is to go as fast as possible? "Gunning it" is the whole point.
(Don't ya just HATE is when it happens to ya? There otta be a law about them damn midgets parkin' where they shouldn't be parkin'!)
The racers can't always go as fast as possible... like in the case of a corner entry where, if the guy behind is faster and the guy in front has a good line, the guy in back has to yeild so that there isn't a collision and possible wreck... If it were anyone else besides DeAngelis I'm sure it would have been avoided by better steering.
HAHA - by the way I love the bashing Peders gets on this site.
(Don't ya just HATE is when it happens to ya? There otta be a law about them damn midgets parkin' where they shouldn't be parkin'!)
The racers can't always go as fast as possible... like in the case of a corner entry where, if the guy behind is faster and the guy in front has a good line, the guy in back has to yeild so that there isn't a collision and possible wreck... If it were anyone else besides DeAngelis I'm sure it would have been avoided by better steering.
HAHA - by the way I love the bashing Peders gets on this site.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Apr 15 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Gunned it"
As opposed to his usual corner exit, where he only gives it half throttle?
Dude, it's called 'racing.'
I think the idea is to go as fast as possible? "Gunning it" is the whole point.
Pedrosa had some sort of problem, causing him to lose exit speed, otherwise DA wouldn't have been anywhere near him. Alex suddenly had a parked midget in his way and had no where to go. (Don't ya just HATE is when it happens to ya? There otta be a law about them damn midgets parkin' where they shouldn't be parkin'!)
I think this is the way DeAng saw this too. There was no apology wave only a look back like WTF are you doing.
As opposed to his usual corner exit, where he only gives it half throttle?
Dude, it's called 'racing.'
Pedrosa had some sort of problem, causing him to lose exit speed, otherwise DA wouldn't have been anywhere near him. Alex suddenly had a parked midget in his way and had no where to go. (Don't ya just HATE is when it happens to ya? There otta be a law about them damn midgets parkin' where they shouldn't be parkin'!)
I think this is the way DeAng saw this too. There was no apology wave only a look back like WTF are you doing.
I think the de angelis manouver was as close to ramming someone from behind as it gets. First of all because this was on the exit. It's not like you have to commit to a line at the exit. Letting the power off ever so slightly will enable a tighter line. I respect the destion to give him no penalty and that's all there should have to be said. Except of course that there are some gigantic hypocrits on this forum, but that's another story.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Apr 16 2009, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner only shows cracks when he has to race somebody.
well for somebody who cracks up when he has to race he's doing pretty well ...... in the top racing formula he has got 15 wins in the three years he's been there.
Cracks up!! ...... thats a crackup
Cracks up!! ...... thats a crackup
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 15 2009, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree to a certain extent, but please, enlighten us with your unbiased opinion then.
Guido, are you are impying that De Ang meant to run into him?? I think the powers that be left it up to a racing incident. This stuff happens.
No I'm not implying De Ang meant to run into him, but I think he could have done more to avoid it. It was an exit corner and if Dani lost impetus on the out then he is partly to blame on the 'expected manoeuvres of the rider in front' excuse.
Guido, are you are impying that De Ang meant to run into him?? I think the powers that be left it up to a racing incident. This stuff happens.
No I'm not implying De Ang meant to run into him, but I think he could have done more to avoid it. It was an exit corner and if Dani lost impetus on the out then he is partly to blame on the 'expected manoeuvres of the rider in front' excuse.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Guido @ Apr 16 2009, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Am I the only one who thought DeAngelis was out of order sidelining Dani like that?
I don't think it was intentional, ( DeAngelis momentarily lost control .... thats racing ) and its a hard one because yeah you could say to the riders "be careful when you pass Pedro cos he's injured" ..... and I think non of them would intentionally hurt him.
I think the likes of Puig will turn it against Dani by pushing "an inquiry" whereas I'm sure DeAngelis is sorry about it and thats all that should be said.
Put it this way .....
imagine if DeAngelis was Rossi,
and Pedro was Stoner
and the setting was the corkscrew ....
somehow I don't think there would even be a protest without a tidal wave of Rossifan sooking
I don't think it was intentional, ( DeAngelis momentarily lost control .... thats racing ) and its a hard one because yeah you could say to the riders "be careful when you pass Pedro cos he's injured" ..... and I think non of them would intentionally hurt him.
I think the likes of Puig will turn it against Dani by pushing "an inquiry" whereas I'm sure DeAngelis is sorry about it and thats all that should be said.
Put it this way .....
imagine if DeAngelis was Rossi,
and Pedro was Stoner
and the setting was the corkscrew ....
somehow I don't think there would even be a protest without a tidal wave of Rossifan sooking
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 15 2009, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the de angelis manouver was as close to ramming someone from behind as it gets. First of all because this was on the exit. It's not like you have to commit to a line at the exit. Letting the power off ever so slightly will enable a tighter line. I respect the destion to give him no penalty and that's all there should have to be said. Except of course that there are some gigantic hypocrits on this forum, but that's another story.
I'm on Dani's side here but as said in my earlier post (sorry still a rookie and can't multi post yet) I don't think De Ang did it with any malice.
I'm on Dani's side here but as said in my earlier post (sorry still a rookie and can't multi post yet) I don't think De Ang did it with any malice.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 16 2009, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it was intentional, ( DeAngelis momentarily lost control .... thats racing ) and its a hard one because yeah you could say to the riders "be careful when you pass Pedro cos he's injured" ..... and I think non of them would intentionally hurt him.
I think the likes of Puig will turn it against Dani by pushing "an inquiry" whereas I'm sure DeAngelis is sorry about it and thats all that should be said.
Put it this way .....
imagine if DeAngelis was Rossi,
and Pedro was Stoner
and the setting was the corkscrew ....
somehow I don't think there would even be a protest without a tidal wave of Rossifan sooking
For sure
It will happen...
I think the likes of Puig will turn it against Dani by pushing "an inquiry" whereas I'm sure DeAngelis is sorry about it and thats all that should be said.
Put it this way .....
imagine if DeAngelis was Rossi,
and Pedro was Stoner
and the setting was the corkscrew ....
somehow I don't think there would even be a protest without a tidal wave of Rossifan sooking
For sure
It will happen...
Won't bother commenting on any 'Rossi master plan' relating to grid positions as there is no doubt in my mind that if Rossi could be on pole each and every race, he would as would any racer as the advantages are great.
Now, as for the DeA vs Pedrobot incodent.
IMO, a racing incident pure and simple.
Yes theer was a level of negligence, recklessness or even carelessness on DeA's behalf and he has been knowdn to do these tyings occasionally, but IMO it was a brainfade moment not an intentional hit. These guys ride and race so much that whilst many woudl think they should not make mistakes, the converse is the reality as the longer without a mistake, the closer that mistake comes.
But, I will say that given DeA did not apologise on the circuit (as would most riders) did come across as poor sportsmanship but we are not priviledge to whether anything was said after the event.
As for Puig having a whinge, well what would one expect under the circumstances.
With regards to Pedro, it showed how talented the guy is (IMO) as whilst most riders would have reacted the same way he did remarkably well to stay on the bike and control it without running off track into the next corner. Full credit as IMO it is deserved.
And who was it (Barry?) remarked earlier about the Corkscrew incident. I would actually suggest the infamous last turn Rossi/Gibernau in terms of a similar incident in terms of the hit strength (fully recognising that last lap is dramatically different in terms of accepting the move or not).
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Now, as for the DeA vs Pedrobot incodent.
IMO, a racing incident pure and simple.
Yes theer was a level of negligence, recklessness or even carelessness on DeA's behalf and he has been knowdn to do these tyings occasionally, but IMO it was a brainfade moment not an intentional hit. These guys ride and race so much that whilst many woudl think they should not make mistakes, the converse is the reality as the longer without a mistake, the closer that mistake comes.
But, I will say that given DeA did not apologise on the circuit (as would most riders) did come across as poor sportsmanship but we are not priviledge to whether anything was said after the event.
As for Puig having a whinge, well what would one expect under the circumstances.
With regards to Pedro, it showed how talented the guy is (IMO) as whilst most riders would have reacted the same way he did remarkably well to stay on the bike and control it without running off track into the next corner. Full credit as IMO it is deserved.
And who was it (Barry?) remarked earlier about the Corkscrew incident. I would actually suggest the infamous last turn Rossi/Gibernau in terms of a similar incident in terms of the hit strength (fully recognising that last lap is dramatically different in terms of accepting the move or not).
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So from this thread's OP and following comments I have deduced:
1. Those of us who are old enough to have actually witnessed Rossi from 125s up seem to have the opinion (based on observation) that he's just not the best off the line, period. His immense arsenal of racetrack weapons does not include lighting starts and/or first lap heroics (which attempts at in the past have left him often several positions FURTHER back).
2. The younger generation of MGP/Rossi fans seem to expect him to be an infallible superman - the absolute best at ALL ASPECTS of racing ALL THE TIME!
Regarding DeA/Pedders... racing incident no doubt. Although who could blame DeA for taking a shot? By taking out Pedders isn't he increasing his own chances at a factory ride!!!
1. Those of us who are old enough to have actually witnessed Rossi from 125s up seem to have the opinion (based on observation) that he's just not the best off the line, period. His immense arsenal of racetrack weapons does not include lighting starts and/or first lap heroics (which attempts at in the past have left him often several positions FURTHER back).
2. The younger generation of MGP/Rossi fans seem to expect him to be an infallible superman - the absolute best at ALL ASPECTS of racing ALL THE TIME!
Regarding DeA/Pedders... racing incident no doubt. Although who could blame DeA for taking a shot? By taking out Pedders isn't he increasing his own chances at a factory ride!!!
hey given his pull on dorna/ezy/(insert gangsta name here) he might be able to get on the duc this year
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hey now that would be an epic battle! On a Duck or a Yama.
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hey now that would be an epic battle! On a Duck or a Yama.
Rossi would take poll every race if he could. Simple as that. Like anyone he wants all the advantages he can get - why anyone would think any differently is beyond me. Why would you want the possibility of someone taking you out on the first corner, when having poll can get you to the first corner ahead of everyone else, therefore negating any chance of someone trying a hero start and taking out any number of riders?
As for Pedrosa and DeAngelis - it was a racing incident, a silly move by DeA but I don't see any intentional shenanigans on DeA's part. Seriously, both riders could have easily come down, and who knows what injuries may have occurred? Like Garry said - most likely a brainfade moment.
As for Pedrosa and DeAngelis - it was a racing incident, a silly move by DeA but I don't see any intentional shenanigans on DeA's part. Seriously, both riders could have easily come down, and who knows what injuries may have occurred? Like Garry said - most likely a brainfade moment.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 16 2009, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So from this thread's OP and following comments I have deduced:
1. Those of us who are old enough to have actually witnessed Rossi from 125s up seem to have the opinion (based on observation) that he's just not the best off the line, period. His immense arsenal of racetrack weapons does not include lighting starts and/or first lap heroics (which attempts at in the past have left him often several positions FURTHER back).
2. The younger generation of MGP/Rossi fans seem to expect him to be an infallible superman - the absolute best at ALL ASPECTS of racing ALL THE TIME!
Regarding DeA/Pedders... racing incident no doubt. Although who could blame DeA for taking a shot? By taking out Pedders isn't he increasing his own chances at a factory ride!!!
Playing the age card ~ that's just unfair
But I'm flattered to be in the younger generation
and admit to only having followed motogp for 5 years, so I s'pose I'm still a rookie for that I beg forgiveness already for any mistakes or stupid comments I come out with
. I am hoping to learn from the more experienced
he's just not the best off the line, period.
I agree, I just wanted to find out if that was it plain and simple or it was a tactic. The majority rule that it is as you say but I do still think he will have to work on that to beat Stoner this year IMHO.
I don't expect Vale to be infallible, he demonstrated that by dropping the bike in Valencia 2006 to let Hayden grab the title
1. Those of us who are old enough to have actually witnessed Rossi from 125s up seem to have the opinion (based on observation) that he's just not the best off the line, period. His immense arsenal of racetrack weapons does not include lighting starts and/or first lap heroics (which attempts at in the past have left him often several positions FURTHER back).
2. The younger generation of MGP/Rossi fans seem to expect him to be an infallible superman - the absolute best at ALL ASPECTS of racing ALL THE TIME!
Regarding DeA/Pedders... racing incident no doubt. Although who could blame DeA for taking a shot? By taking out Pedders isn't he increasing his own chances at a factory ride!!!
Playing the age card ~ that's just unfair
he's just not the best off the line, period.
I agree, I just wanted to find out if that was it plain and simple or it was a tactic. The majority rule that it is as you say but I do still think he will have to work on that to beat Stoner this year IMHO.
I don't expect Vale to be infallible, he demonstrated that by dropping the bike in Valencia 2006 to let Hayden grab the title
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Guido @ Apr 16 2009, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree, I just wanted to find out if that was it plain and simple or it was a tactic. The majority rule that it is as you say but I do still think he will have to work on that to beat Stoner this year IMHO.
I think it was at least partly a tactic for a large part of his career, in that with previous tyre and other technology it was a good idea to warm up the tyres for a few laps, and also to preserve the tyres for the end of the race when the tyres of others were worn out of which he was a master. He also liked to put on a show, and probably found it fun to perform outrageous passing manouevres which is difficult to do from the lead
. Mostly as others have said he didn't need to start fast and had a lot in reserve as the famous 10 second penalty race demonstrated.
Even for him it must be difficult to change a career-long practice particularly against much younger riders perhaps not very cognisant of mortality. I guess being heavier may not help either on the 800s against stoner, george laurence and particularly pedrosa.
I think it was at least partly a tactic for a large part of his career, in that with previous tyre and other technology it was a good idea to warm up the tyres for a few laps, and also to preserve the tyres for the end of the race when the tyres of others were worn out of which he was a master. He also liked to put on a show, and probably found it fun to perform outrageous passing manouevres which is difficult to do from the lead
Even for him it must be difficult to change a career-long practice particularly against much younger riders perhaps not very cognisant of mortality. I guess being heavier may not help either on the 800s against stoner, george laurence and particularly pedrosa.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Guido @ Apr 16 2009, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't expect Vale to be infallible, he demonstrated that by dropping the bike in Valencia 2006 to let Hayden grab the title
Don't expect any of these blokes to be infallible because they aren't. Rossi is a mere mortal human being like everyone else. That's the beauty of it - if he was infallible he'd be a "God" and you wouldn't be able to beat him. He's beatable like everyone else - that's what makes people take up a challenge - there will only ever be a few people who can claim they were a world champion whilst racing Rossi at the peak of his powers. To be one of them is all the motivation you're ever going to need. To beat one of the guys who beat Rossi will rank you amongst an elite group most people would dream to be in.
Don't expect any of these blokes to be infallible because they aren't. Rossi is a mere mortal human being like everyone else. That's the beauty of it - if he was infallible he'd be a "God" and you wouldn't be able to beat him. He's beatable like everyone else - that's what makes people take up a challenge - there will only ever be a few people who can claim they were a world champion whilst racing Rossi at the peak of his powers. To be one of them is all the motivation you're ever going to need. To beat one of the guys who beat Rossi will rank you amongst an elite group most people would dream to be in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Apr 16 2009, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To beat one of the guys who beat Rossi will rank you amongst an elite group most people would dream to be in.
Like Hayden?
That's pretty much the top 5 including Rossi himself and two rookies (last season)
Like Hayden?
