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Rossi Rues Set Up issues

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Rossi rues set-up problems

By Michele LostiaSunday, March 9th 2008, 23:34 GMT
Valentino Rossi reckons his bike suffered from set-up problems in tonight's Qatar Moto Grand Prix and that his Fiat Yamaha team must forget what they had learned while using Michelin tyres.

The seven-time champion demanded and obtained a switch to Bridgestone rubber at the end of last year, after being soundly beaten to the title by Casey Stoner's Ducati fitted with the Japanese tyres.

This opening round of the 2008 season saw, however, another win by Stoner, while second went to Rossi's rookie teammate Jorge Lorenzo on equal machinery fitted with Michelin tyres.

Rossi finished in a disappointing fifth place.

"I think we aren't ready yet and the set-up of our bike isn't optimal," the Italian told Italia1 television. "In the first laps we go well, but then the bike starts moving a lot. I think it's a set-up problem.

"We must forget all the settings we had over the past years and start over again to have the bike working differently. I'm really quick under braking, but I'm slow around the corners and I struggle.

"I think we'll need to set-up the bike in a completely different way, because these tyres have to be used in a very different way. But no more than a month ago we flew in Malaysia, we were really quick, and Stoner is up in front with the same tyres.

"So we must only understand the way to use them. We must do it quick, we need to be more reactive and quick, and most of all we must forget how we've used the bike up to now."

Rossi held the lead of the race for three laps, then after being overtaken by Stoner and Lorenzo kept Repsol Honda's Dani Pedrosa behind for five laps, and finally held off Andrea Dovizioso until the last lap, when the rookie made a move that stuck.

"We knew it would be a tough race," continued Rossi. "I had hoped to get on the podium, and I tried to keep Pedrosa behind in every way but there was nothing I could do.

"But as it happened in the warm-up already, when I have so much grip at the beginning, I know I have to pay for it a bit later. We changed the tyre compared to this morning, but the problems remained the same, so there's something we have to do differently.

"There are also some positives, our bike has a strong engine. I started well and rode well especially in the first laps. But we got beaten, so we must accept that and try to understand why."

Asked if the set-up problem may turn out to be even bigger on circuits where he hasn't tested yet, Rossi replied: "That's impossible to say, in the sense that this is the track where we've had the most problems with Bridgestones, already in the tests. At Jerez we went better, and in Malaysia we went very well."

He added: "These rivals are very strong and young, but I think that, once we're sorted, we'll be able to easily fight with them."
 
just teething problems. to be expected this early into the season imo. im sure they will be competitive this year.
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I wouldn't expect these issues to last once we get to more familiar territory and Rossi and team get it sorted. On the other hand though Rossi may need to learn to ride the tyre differently and he isn't the young rider he used to be. It takes olidies longer to learn
 
"Rossi Rues Set Up issues, Hmm.. Rossi didn't get it done and Jorge did"

so you think hes making excuses??

anyone with eyes could see that he really had no grip after a few laps??
what you think he was in the lead and then decided to go slower on purpose??
eveything he says in them comments are true and you forget that the data that yamaha are using for there new riders is data that yamaha have been collecting for years.
michelin riders and stoner were cornering alot tighter, it was either a bad choice of rubber or they havent got the setup rite yet....
but fair play to stoner he uses the stones well and ducati have the bike perfect for that rubber, give rossi sometime and im sure he will be back up front for the race distance.

"We must forget all the settings we had over the past years and start over again to have the bike working differently. I'm really quick under braking, but I'm slow around the corners and I struggle"

i think he done well considering he rode a bike thats never been using the stones.
he started dropping them like flies at the start then lost grip are you telling me you didnt see this for yourself??
 
thats what u get when u insist on being a one man team. you get .... all feedback from the other riders....

suck ...., u make your bed u sleep in it i say.

now i bet he wishes he has a whipping boy like edwards to get information from.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 10 2008, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats what u get when u insist on being a one man team. you get .... all feedback from the other riders....

suck ...., u make your bed u sleep in it i say.

now i bet he wishes he has a whipping boy like edwards to get information from.

........ im thinking tyres for rossi and thats not an excuse..... do you actually know about the technical side of bikes or you just one of those that whoever is winning gets your vote??

pinky your way to quick top point the finger, did you not see rossis bike sliding and moving around in the corners ?? casey, pedro, lorenzo were way tighter in the corners.
i think rossi gave it to much to early then lost grip, i noticed casey hung off a few laps generating some heat then turned up the pressure.

i like the technical side of things also and can tell you that rossi was lacking grip maybe a wrong tyre choice or setup.

when he gets this small hurdle sorted he will take the fight to casey
 
well his setup sucked, yeah thats right.... how could he of been aided? if he had a teamate in the same garage helping each other with a setup. twice the data.

but instead he chose to say .... u all. i need the B's so i dont give a .... about my teamates data, i dont need it. people where saying how he would of been the LONE yamaha on B's and warned of the consequences.

look at lorenzo, he would of used last years data, along with edwards and toselands data. he whooped rossi sideways.

i have already said, rossi biggest challenge this year is not in winning the WC, he wont lose face if he comes second this season, its about beating lorenzo.
 
will go slightly off topic here guys...was reading through the autosport reports, and i'm actually pleased to hear how emotional dovi got when he had beaten rossi in the race, and that JT was pleased to finish near vale. Aside from liking these two riders (and that i'm happy with the confidence boost this should give them), it shows that rossi is still one of the man to beat, if not the man to beat.
 
Everyone saw this coming (including Vale). The rookies and Rossi on stones is the only drama that is going to make this season more interesting. Be thankful.....
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Rossi calculated that the Stones were the added little bit that he needed.
This year he has a swam of talent to contend with as well. Lorenzo is no joke. Neither is Dovi and Toseland has shown that he is not CEII (all talky/testy nor racey racey)

So let's see.
No Tyre data at any of the tracks for him. A healthy Pedrosa, hungry Lorenzo, Stoner with a chip on his shoulder, a determine Toseland mix in a little Dovi, De Angelis some rain ready Vermulen and Rossi is in a world of mess.

I must say that I am really impressed with the rookies. Motogp seems to be raised to another level.

You heard it here first: I would like to see Rossi regain the title this year. I am not a Rossi apologist. I just think that it would be one incredible feat. If he is truly the G.O.A.T this would be an awesome time to show it.

Nevetheless.. I am a Ducati Guy and I don't see Stoner not making a hell of a title defense. He will be hell to beat all season long.
 
We can talk about Rossi's adaptation period and setup issues al day long and it means nothing. Bottom line is, Rossi took a calculated risk when he chose to do what he did and won't have overlooked these possibilities. It's a long season.
 
Most top riders stay with the same tire manufacturer for their entire career, Rossi took a chance on stones and I think it will pay off relatively soon. The season is far from over, and I think Rossi will show some consistency before the championship has been decided. When you consider the monumental task of switching tire manufacturers I am quite pleased with his result. Viva Rossi!
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He hasn't done himself any favours in the way he got the Bridgestones and I'm sure more eyes will be watching his performance closely this year due to this change. That said, Yamaha and Bridgestone don't have any race data so I imagine every circuit will be a challenge of some sort. How good was Rossi on worn tyres in 2005, the last couple of seasons he has struggled on worn tyres. Still, it's only the fist race and there's a long way to go.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Mar 10 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He hasn't done himself any favours in the way he got the Bridgestones and I'm sure more eyes will be watching his performance closely this year due to this change. That said, Yamaha and Bridgestone don't have any race data so I imagine every circuit will be a challenge of some sort. How good was Rossi on worn tyres in 2005, the last couple of seasons he has struggled on worn tyres. Still, it's only the fist race and there's a long way to go.
I don't think rossi has suddenly taken to wearing out tyres more than other riders, one of the main strengths on which his overwhelming success has been based is the ability to preserve tyres for the last part of a race. I think tyre technology improvement and tc may have changed things; the bridgestone hard tyres seemed to last the distance in most people's hands at many tracks last year. I also think the yamaha at least last year seemed to be particularly tough on tyres.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 10 2008, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well his setup sucked, yeah thats right.... hhow could he of been aided? if he had a teamate in the same garage helping each other with a setup. twice the data.
but instead he chose to say .... u all. i need the B's so i dont give a .... about my teamates data, i dont need it. people where saying how he would of been the LONE yamaha on B's and warned of the consequences.whatever way you want to look at it, this sums it up.

it would make it more impressive if were to win the title in these circumstances, but he won't.
 
If i were Burgess,i would be offended by those remarks.It is implying that the setup on his bike was used with Michilen data.Burgess has been doing this a few years now and i seriously doubt he hasnt come to the conclusion by the first race of the year that those setups wouldnt work with Stones.Its all ........ excuses.He knows he cant blame the tires or power so down the list he goes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 10 2008, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If i were Burgess,i would be offended by those remarks.It is implying that the setup on his bike was used with Michilen data.Burgess has been doing this a few years now and i seriously doubt he hasnt come to the conclusion by the first race of the year that those setups wouldnt work with Stones.Its all ........ excuses.He knows he cant blame the tires or power so down the list he goes.
It's not like there's a giant Michelin/Bridgestone setup switch on the bike. For better or worse both parties are accustomed to using Michelin stuff - they've got years and years of experience with it that's not necessarily distinct from their years and years of experience with what Rossi can do with a bike. Rossi's talking about more subtle differences in how the stones react to changes in setup, not claiming he was running some "Michelin setup".

They've only got one offseason's worth of data for stones on the yamaha. Of course they're making use of some of their experience from their years of experience together - you can't throw that out, but to use it you need to make sure you understand where things diverge as well as possible. They're not quite there, at least in these conditions.
 
or may be, just may be, Rossi, after 7 championships is losing his edge? come one guys.. he cannot go on winning for ever. He is pushing 30.. and if not this year, may be the next or the following year, the sun will begin to set..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 10 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>or may be, just may be, Rossi, after 7 championships is losing his edge? come one guys.. he cannot go on winned for ever. He is pushing 30 and if not this year, may be the next or the following year, the sun will begin to set..
without a doubt mate. i dont think anyone truly believes any one can go on for ever. but come on. he went from 7th on the grid to lead the race. i dont think he has lost his edge yet !
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 10 2008, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>or may be, just may be, Rossi, after 7 championships is losing his edge? come one guys.. he cannot go on winned for ever. He is pushing 30 and if not this year, may be the next or the following year, the sun will begin to set..
Very true..

I personally don't think he's as good as he was a few years ago. NOT saying he's not good anymore, or that he can't win, because I do believe he's still able to win races, and challenge for the title. He's passed his peak, and that's ok. I hope Rossi and Yamaha will improve before the next race. I think Rossi will be one of the title contenders, with Casey being the top favourite, and Dani fighting for the title as well!!
 

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