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Kropotkin
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It really is that hard for me to understand. It smacks of Mary Whitehouse's insistence that most modern TV programs were degenerate, causing moral decline, and corrupting all those who watched them, while apparently watching as many of those programs as possible. Confusing, at best.


 


It seems fairly simple: If you think something is ...., don't watch it. I think X-Factor and <insert country name here>'s Got Talent is ...., so I don't watch it. It saves me an awful lot of time. I do from time to time watch WWE, but knowing they are scripted, I do not complain about them being fixed, and watch them for what they are: entertainment.


 


Oh dear, Krop.


That was a bit of a give away.
 
Mein Gott it's tempting to mess with this quote...


 
Kropotkin
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I must be really ....... stupid, because I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Dr No
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Mein Gott it's tempting to mess with this quote...
 
Knock yourself out. If it makes you feel better.

Edit: queue comments about the venal and untrustworthy nature of journalists and their tendency to twist the words of their subjects.
 
Kropotkin
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Knock yourself out. If it makes you feel better.


Edit: queue comments about the venal and untrustworthy nature of journalists and their tendency to twist the words of their subjects.


 


Why would I bother make those comments when it's so much easier to make nitpicking remarks about journos getting words wrong?
 
Kropotkin
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Knock yourself out. If it makes you feel better.Edit: queue comments about the venal and untrustworthy nature of journalists and their tendency to twist the words of their subjects.


..... That should be 'cue', of course.
 
Mental Anarchist
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I might even have to be a bopper in 2013 because Lorenzo's style bores the .... out of me.  I can't support Pedrosa (even though I sorta like him) out of respect for Jumkie.  And Marquez, well you have all read my opinion on that silver spoon up his arse, cheating little .....  So I guess that leaves me as a Bopper.  I might just split myself between Rossi and Ianone.
 


 


 


:lol:  Well, NOT supporting Pedros is simply the right thing to do.
 
baturro
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MA-  I really do not understand why someone would have any interest in an activity that one believes to be so false and predetermined. 


 


 


When I saw the Ultimate Warior whisper into Macho-Mans ear, "Ready for the Superslam." while in a headlock,  I quit watching. 


Kropo asked me the same lame (with all do respect) question.  I didn't answer him. :)


 


I'm assuming your reference was to some wrestling?  I don't know, I never started watching it because I knew it was all .........  Operative word, "all".
 
MA-  In regards to Politics, Religion, or relationships, I am not wondering about other peoples feelings as to why they believe or accept.  It´s their belief and are completely entitled to it.  People that worship God, Budda, Mohammed are content with their idea of religion.  Those that have a problem with the "mainstream" start a cult. 


 


Start up MotoMA if in your view of MotoGP is conspiracy ..... 


 


 


I don´t agree with religion, but I don´t go to the local cathedral and share my views.  I don´t have time it, and the same with much of politics.  As to relationships, seems like you must have a hard time with them, cause mine are all honest and real.  Sad for you.
 
baturro
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MA-  In regards to Politics, Religion, or relationships, I am not wondering about other peoples feelings as to why they believe or accept.  It´s their belief and are completely entitled to it.  People that worship God, Budda, Mohammed are content with their idea of religion.  Those that have a problem with the "mainstream" start a cult. 


 


Start up MotoMA if in your view of MotoGP is conspiracy ..... 


 


 


I don´t agree with religion, but I don´t go to the local cathedral and share my views.  I don´t have time it, and the same with much of politics.  As to relationships, seems like you must have a hard time with them, cause mine are all honest and real.  Sad for you.


I like kropotkin found  the wrestling somewhat diverting for a time even in adulthood precisely because it was obviously and unapologetically high farce, imo in the showbiz tradition which includes Shakespearean farce.


 


What I object to are sports which purport to be authentic but are not, such as when nascar employs the so-convenient flags to ensure last lap dices. I personally don't think that there has been any contriving of results in gp bike racing, think that the spanish riders who have won titles deserved them, and that pedrosa's taking out of hayden was akin to rossi taking out stoner at jerez in 2011, a fairly severe error of judgement in dani's case compounded by the championship situation at the time, but a racing incident, when he was a rookie.  


 


The tolerance towards  marquez's mounting tally of practice incidents is another matter, again imo, though.
 
thedeal
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You are asuming Rossi stil has it and Danny is the man he was in 2010, i think both men have changed a great deal in two years and Danny is by far the quicker of the two going on what happened towards the end of this season. Jorge is quicker than in 2010. Maquez is an unknown but i think will shock the .... out of every body more than once in his first year and then you have a host of others who have beat Rossi for two years and hold no fear of him,and holding no fear of Rossi is a big advantage, this is what gave Stoner such an edge as well as his talent and if you or Rossi think Danny or Jorge are in his shadow or intimidated by him anymore then you are in for a massive shock,a lot has happened in two years and i cant wait for the first round of 2013.


Marco melandri could not ride the motogp ducati but still proved capable on other bikes subsequently. Valentino rossi is rather a lot better than him.
 
michaelm
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Marco melandri could not ride the motogp ducati but still proved capable on other bikes subsequently. Valentino rossi is rather a lot better than him.


Was better than him, we will see what the last two years have done,still not convinced.Shame you didnt reply to the points about Ped and Lorenzo being vastly improved.
 
Just a few Dennis Noyes tweets this morning.  Nothing earth shattering, just thought I'd share since I was a bit bored.


 


 


 


 
Rossi tiene razón. No tragar saliva y reconocer la derrota demostró que Casey no supo perder...que es la otra mitad.


 


 


Rossi is reasonable.  By not swallowing saliva and recognizing defeat he demonstrated Casey did not know how to lose…this is the other side of the point.


 


 


 
 


Burgess dijo que la diferencia entre Rossi y Doohan es que a Doohan le gustaba ganar y a Rossi le gusta correr. Casey era más como Mick.


 


 


 


Burgess said the difference between Rossi and Doohan was that Doohan liked to win while Rossi liked to ride.  Casey was more like Mick.


 


 


 


 
Admiro a Stoner como piloto, pero como persona me temo que nunca estuviera a gusto en MotoGP. Espero que disfruta de la vida en Australia.


 


 


 


I admire Stoner as a rider, but as a person I was afraid he would never be happy in MotoGP.  I hope he enjoys his life in Australia.


 


 


 


 
Basta mencionar a VR para despertar pasiones. El problema de VR en 13 es que Jorge no es solo rápido sino rápido y tann duro de coco como VR


 


 


Just the mention of VR incites passions.  The problem for VR in 13 is that Jorge is not only fast but also headstrong like VR.


 


 


 
Si dices algo bueno de Rossi te tachan de rossistsa.Si le criticas eres anti-Rossi.Pasaba lo mismo con Sheene.He visto esta película


 


 


If you say something good about Rossi they tag you as a rossista [bopper].  If you criticize him you are anti-Rossi.  It was the same with Sheene.  I’ve seen this movie before.
 
Good work Jumkie!!  Only one tiny correction.


 


 


"Rossi tiene razon"  would be translated as "Rossi is correct"  or "Rossi is right"


 


You know Rossi doesn't "reason!"
 
thedeal
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Was better than him, we will see what the last two years have done,still not convinced.Shame you didnt reply to the points about Ped and Lorenzo being vastly improved.


I did post about pedrosa earlier, I think he is, as he has always been, as fast as any rider out there. He finally had an injury free season, and seems to have developed the ability to display the amazing speed he formerly had in 2 or 3 races a year much more consistently, perhaps because he has given up wanting the bike to be absolutely perfect before he shows his best. He still fell at the final hurdle though as far as I am concerned with his crash at PI, and was unfortunate but perhaps pushed too hard too soon in his other late season dnf. I still doubt his ability to take on rossi in a straight fight, and perhaps even his ability to have another injury-free season. Lorenzo is fantastic, and capable of riding virtually mistake free. He was fantastic in 2009 as well though, and put pressure on rossi  who was then inarguably not far off his considerable peak, but rossi still prevailed.


 


It comes down imo to whether rossi has been affected mentally by his 2 years on the ducati. As someone said he can (probably quite justifiably if that matters) blame the bike. He doesn't have to race the guy who could (only to a degree in stoner's latter years at ducati) ride the bike he couldn't, only people who didn't as far as I can see establish any psychological dominance over him when they were all on factory hondas or yamahas.
 
Jumkie
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Rossi is reasonable.  By not swallowing saliva and recognizing defeat he demonstrated Casey did not know how to lose…this is the other side of the point.


 


 


 


 


Is saliva equal pride here?



 


 


 
Burgess said the difference between Rossi and Doohan was that Doohan liked to win while Rossi liked to ride.  Casey was more like Mick.


 


 


I've actually seen this quote from Doohan before, and I believe it was said when Rossi was still with Honda or in the early stages of his Yamaha career.


 


 



 


 
I admire Stoner as a rider, but as a person I was afraid he would never be happy in MotoGP.  I hope he enjoys his life in Australia.


 


 


 


Is this Noyes' opinion?


 



 


 


 


 
Just the mention of VR incites passions.  The problem for VR in 13 is that Jorge is not only fast but also headstrong like VR.


 


 


 


What's 13 mean here?



 


 


 


 
If you say something good about Rossi they tag you as a rossista [bopper].  If you criticize him you are anti-Rossi.  It was the same with Sheene.  I’ve seen this movie before.


Were people hating on Sheene back in the day too?  


Who was the hero during this time?  Roberts?


 


 


 
 
Glib comments from a journalist.


A journalist who knows who it is that butters his bread.


Rossi. Yellow.


Butter. Yellow.


Incontrovertible proof.
 
michaelm
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I did post about pedrosa earlier, I think he is, as he has always been, as fast as any rider out there. He finally had an injury free season, and seems to have developed the ability to display the amazing speed he formerly had in 2 or 3 races a year much more consistently, perhaps because he has given up wanting the bike to be absolutely perfect before he shows his best. He still fell at the final hurdle though as far as I am concerned with his crash at PI, and was unfortunate but perhaps pushed too hard too soon in his other late season dnf. I still doubt his ability to take on rossi in a straight fight, and perhaps even his ability to have another injury-free season. Lorenzo is fantastic, and capable of riding virtually mistake free. He was fantastic in 2009 as well though, and put pressure on rossi  who was then inarguably not far off his considerable peak, but rossi still prevailed.


 


It comes down imo to whether rossi has been affected mentally by his 2 years on the ducati. As someone said he can (probably quite justifiably if that matters) blame the bike. He doesn't have to race the guy who could (only to a degree in stoner's latter years at ducati) ride the bike he couldn't, only people who didn't as far as I can see establish any psychological dominance over him when they were all on factory hondas or yamahas.


If Rossi is affected mentally, i believe it will be more because of the rash of injuries that he experienced after being incredibly  fortunate throughout  the first 2/3 of his career. Pile on the death of his close friend, his age { wisdom}   his financial situation, that all equates to losing just that razors edge that is the difference between favorite and contender. If HE believes his legacy has taken a hit, you might see something special, he is an egotistical ....... after all.
 
Heisman


 


 


 
Is saliva equal pride here?


 


 


Yeah something like that.  Its an idiom that can mean something like ‘bite your tongue’, ‘hold back your feelings’, or don’t mention your feelings’, or ‘don’t waste your breath’.  Hahaha funny, Im replying you with idioms myself.  Noyes speaks Spaniard Spanish which is slightly different than say Mexican Spanish.  So, I’m just going by the context in which he said it.  Baturo corrected me on Noyes use of “tiene la razon” which literally translated means ‘he has the reason’ but really does mean ‘he is right’.  I knew this, but I dislike Rossi so much that I never think he’s right. ;) :p


 


 


 
Is this Noyes' opinion?


 


 


It sounds like it from his tweet.  But honestly, I don’t understand how ‘twitter’ works, so it looks like it was part of a conversation he was having with somebody.  Its like overhearing a phone conversation, you only know what the person you are hearing is saying.


 


 


 
What's 13 mean here?


 


 


The year, 2013.  That is, next racing season.


 


 


 
Who was the hero during this time?  Roberts?


 


 


 


Uhm, when was Roberts not the hero?  :)  Anyway, that depends on your definition of “hero”.  In your eyes, was Stoner or Rossi the “hero” (in the context that Noyes speaks of them in today’s terms)?  I know your answer, hahaha.  So, Sheene was like Rossi in the sense that he was a self-promoter, flamboyant (though decidedly not like the “flamboyant” ‘gay’ type that is Rossi, sorry couldn’t resist), and he made quite a lot of money from pimping sponsors and making the sport more popular (like Rossi).  He was (I know this because I was told by my Brit family) a guy who’s name was recognized by the typical housewife in the UK, I imagine VR is the same (ironically not just in Italy but also in the UK, as I was told).  On the other hand, Sheene was a bit of a “whiner” too, like speaking out about safety and stupid stuff like that.  So in this way, he was also like Stoner.  ;)
 

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