I agree what you have said. Seriously I dont like this but Yamaha may well better off pull both rider out from Valencia and piss Marc off. He cant do anymore harm to the championship. LOL:devil::devil::devil:
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I agree what you have said. Seriously I dont like this but Yamaha may well better off pull both rider out from Valencia and piss Marc off. He cant do anymore harm to the championship. LOL:devil::devil::devil:
WOW !!!! I am impress by you. You have proven one thing for sure. For 2 decade all the FIM is nothing but a bunch of sucker and ..... running MotoGP. Only you see it and they don't. Well done mate. I salute you. Promise you I will vote for you if you run FIM presidential election. :devil:
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Further evidence of Rossis blatant hypocrisy....comments he made after Motegi 2010
“What a great race! Of course I would have preferred to be battling for the win but anyway it was a great feeling, a real show and I want to congratulate Jorge because he was very strong and didn’t give up! Unfortunately I lost time at the start when he passed me so Stoner and Dovizioso got away, and by the time I passed him again they were too far ahead. At the end I was tired and my tyre was sliding a lot, it was a bit softer than I would have liked, so I knew I was going to be in trouble but I wanted the podium so much. Jorge came back at me and we had a great battle, proper racing – I think everyone watching enjoyed it.
Look at the bolded part: Rossi knew he could potentially adversely effect Lorenzos championship but "wanted the podium so much" he selfishly battled him for position and risked a crash anyway....."That's racing"
What a complete hypocrite.
Agree totally. Sometime I always believe even if you don't support your team mate but at least do not put a blade dangling behind their back. Seriously he is already at advantage and do nto need to do so. I still believe Lorenzo is slightly better rider than Rossi in term of speed but Rossi much better in tactical. For Wet situation Rossi for sure faster.
IF Lorenzo play nice guy and just go to VAL, surely advantage to him. Too bad young gun today greed supersede need.
Seriously have anyone ever ask this question? Marc team say Marc always fight 100% and if he really do why go for 3rd only? Is he not capable of fighting against Lorenzo when JL overtake him. Doesn't he felt like man... by all mean take your lead. and when Rossi overtook him suddenly he become someone being possess and fight like HELL? Does this not give you felling that Marc is waitign the fight with Rossi?
OK many say Rossi kick him. Hmmm let put it this way. When there is an accident and reported in the news. You in a rush and do you go thru that way? Rossi may swing a bit more wide but it Marc riding at the edge out of the track. Seriously there is at least 3 more bike width to go. So if Marc move out a bit more instead go near Rossi, do you think Rossi have chances to Kick him? Or is ti Rossi close the door completely? In MotoGP is it a tactic to shut and block someone from overtaking is illegal? If Marc would have gone 1 bike width wider, this incident would not have happen.
Rossi ahead and he have a right to be at any spot of the track. Marc have ample space to move but he chooses to smell Rossi boot and Bike.
So Marc become aggressive to Rossi only not Lorenzo. He 100% put his effort to fight for No 3 not No 2? He chooses to go close to Rossi where there is space for him to go further a bit. What is the story all about? You go Judge but no matter what.... Story coming to end soon when in Valencia.
But I promise you World Championship title end in Valencia but anoterh story and more to talk about after Valencia. No matter who win ... plenty of fight still on and arrow around. Another chapter begin.
OK many say Rossi kick him. Hmmm let put it this way. When there is an accident and reported in the news. You in a rush and do you go thru that way? Rossi may swing a bit more wide but it Marc riding at the edge out of the track. Seriously there is at least 3 more bike width to go. So if Marc move out a bit more instead go near Rossi, do you think Rossi have chances to Kick him? Or is ti Rossi close the door completely? In MotoGP is it a tactic to shut and block someone from overtaking is illegal? If Marc would have gone 1 bike width wider, this incident would not have happen.
Rossi ahead and he have a right to be at any spot of the track. Marc have ample space to move but he chooses to smell Rossi boot and Bike.
So Marc become aggressive to Rossi only not Lorenzo. He 100% put his effort to fight for No 3 not No 2? He chooses to go close to Rossi where there is space for him to go further a bit. What is the story all about? You go Judge but no matter what.... Story coming to end soon when in Valencia.
But I promise you World Championship title end in Valencia but anoterh story and more to talk about after Valencia. No matter who win ... plenty of fight still on and arrow around. Another chapter begin.
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Yeah, someone's gonna have to 'splain this to me. Also did not percieve MM to be 'lifting' his bike.
The fact that Honda are offering the data I find extremely interesting as they must be confident that the data will backup their data.
No doubt that someone will take up the offer, so until then we site with bated breath
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why the need to lift the bike? you only lift it if you brake, not if somebody else brake instead of you. and he was also committed to make the turn. in the heat of the moment he didn't know rossi`s intentions, so why lift the bike?
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yeah, I see now (after watching again), that he does lift the bike, twice, second time not so evident, but still, he lift it. these guys have superhuman reflexes. which makes me think that if rossi didn't want to make contact, he should of withdraw his leg and not push it toward MM bike.
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Racers know what Marquez is doing.
I personally can understand Rossi's frustration at being hounded by Marquez. The world title battle is between Rossi and Lorenzo, Marquez simply does not feature (AT ALL). You can clearly see Marquez becoming more and more aggressive in his passing manoeuvres, to a point where you feel he would have taken Rossi out rather than let him pass. When you are not in the running for the world championship, this win or go down trying is all very well, but Rossi cannot take those risks. Marquez knows this too well.
Rossi was left with no choice but to carefully take Marquez wide and I felt skilfully slowed Marquez down to almost walking pace to give him a "WTF are you trying to do stare" ?!!
Marquez could have chosen to avoid Rossi at this point but continued to lean and turn into Rossi's bike. Rossi pushed back with his knee and accidentally snagged the Honda's brake lever.
I feel Rossi is genuinely concerned that Marquez is deliberately attempting to ruin his chances at a 10th World title. Sadly nearly everyone is thinking this is some Rossi mind ploy, but seeing how easy he let Lorenzo pass, then waited and battled with Rossi does throw up serious questions as to Marquez's professionalism. Looking at the previous race at Philip Island and the same scenario presented itself. Question is: Did Marquez have the pace and skill to deliberately drop Rossi back into reach of the Ducati's huge top end speed advantage, then clear off to catch Lorenzo? Yes, without a doubt.
I was a big fan or Marquez, but feel what he is doing is unsporting, incredibly unprofessional and immature.
I feel almost ashamed to admit it, but I jumped up and cheered when Marquez went down. I feel he deserved it and was relieved it happened at walking pace rather than Marquez causing a major accident at racing speed.
Just because Marquez is playing within the FIA rule book does not mean what he is doing is acceptable.
Sadly, with Rossi being penalised and now starting from the back of the grid, his chances of a fair championship battle are virtually impossible, especially with Marquez out to again prove he can influence the outcome of what would be a huge and significant sporting achievement from Rossi is he were to achieve a 10th title.
I personally hope Rossi's appeal is upheld.
I personally can understand Rossi's frustration at being hounded by Marquez. The world title battle is between Rossi and Lorenzo, Marquez simply does not feature (AT ALL). You can clearly see Marquez becoming more and more aggressive in his passing manoeuvres, to a point where you feel he would have taken Rossi out rather than let him pass. When you are not in the running for the world championship, this win or go down trying is all very well, but Rossi cannot take those risks. Marquez knows this too well.
Rossi was left with no choice but to carefully take Marquez wide and I felt skilfully slowed Marquez down to almost walking pace to give him a "WTF are you trying to do stare" ?!!
Marquez could have chosen to avoid Rossi at this point but continued to lean and turn into Rossi's bike. Rossi pushed back with his knee and accidentally snagged the Honda's brake lever.
I feel Rossi is genuinely concerned that Marquez is deliberately attempting to ruin his chances at a 10th World title. Sadly nearly everyone is thinking this is some Rossi mind ploy, but seeing how easy he let Lorenzo pass, then waited and battled with Rossi does throw up serious questions as to Marquez's professionalism. Looking at the previous race at Philip Island and the same scenario presented itself. Question is: Did Marquez have the pace and skill to deliberately drop Rossi back into reach of the Ducati's huge top end speed advantage, then clear off to catch Lorenzo? Yes, without a doubt.
I was a big fan or Marquez, but feel what he is doing is unsporting, incredibly unprofessional and immature.
I feel almost ashamed to admit it, but I jumped up and cheered when Marquez went down. I feel he deserved it and was relieved it happened at walking pace rather than Marquez causing a major accident at racing speed.
Just because Marquez is playing within the FIA rule book does not mean what he is doing is acceptable.
Sadly, with Rossi being penalised and now starting from the back of the grid, his chances of a fair championship battle are virtually impossible, especially with Marquez out to again prove he can influence the outcome of what would be a huge and significant sporting achievement from Rossi is he were to achieve a 10th title.
I personally hope Rossi's appeal is upheld.
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Just before he went down his handlebars turned in, my theory was that it was due to the force of Rossi's kick and this may still prove to be the case but, wouldn't that action produce the same signal as turning in to pick up?
It looks like the guard is only covering the end of the lever (which I don't understand given the wording of the reg, but anyway...) but it still looks too narrow for a foot doesn't it?
I can see why you eschew counter-arguments. So only riders who Rossi doesn't dislike or who you or he don't think dislike him at a given point in time can race him?
I know there is no point, but I will explain why your opinions , and Rossi's press conference claims, concerning the PI race were/are so ridiculous and bemusing, without going further into how murky Rossi's motives may have been, despite motive being the entire basis of your contentions regarding MM.
MM WON the race, against both Lorenzo and Rossi, both not only greats in historical terms, particularly your boy, but in great form and on a good bike , as evidenced by their current positions in the championship. To do this he had to ride superlatively well, not very arguably at a level beyond which anyone else would have crashed the bike given his fellow HRC rider, a rider historically no slouch and capable of dominating the next round, languished in 5th while MM "fixed" the race. He almost crashed himself earlier in the race which is how your boy caught up to him in the first place. You are arguing that not only should he be forced to do the impossible to the same degree at all times, but you or some of your cohorts also seem to be arguing that he can and should be compelled to do so by legislation enforceable by the stewards. It is very likely at least partly down to physiological factors/adrenaline etc and not entirely within his conscious control how far past the edge he rides at any given moment anyway. You may not have watched much racing, or if you have have not watched anyone except one rider, but it is hardly uncommon for riders to try harder against some riders than others anyway.
We then have the other factors which have been raised, fuel load, how his tyres were working, and his tactical assessments; he is absolutely allowed to control the pace when racing for position to suit his tactics or strategy. He may have been confident he could deal with Lorenzo on the last lap, but not so confident about Rossi or particularly Iannone with his straight line potential.
He did absolutely nothing untoward in terms of moves he made on anyone in the PI race. In particular, he beat Lorenzo, the rider he was putatively aiding, in the race. Had he got a 5 second lead, pulled up and let Lorenzo through, then raced Rossi (if he had been third) a la Sepang 2015, or as Rossi did Stoner at Laguna Seca1998, perhaps then you could call "race-fixing", although MM could possibly argue in that situation going by your recent contentions that he was justified because Valentino had irked him.
What seems "obvious" to me is that the problem for Rossi at this , the crux of the season, is that with Dani healthier, MM having adapted his riding, and the HRC bike possibly improved , there are now 3 riders , and sometimes 4 counting Iannone, who have pace and likelihood of completing the race which is threatening for Rossi, particularly given his weakness in qualifying and early in races.
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I agree that he went down due to the force of a purposefully deployed and well aimed kick, but I don't think that had been the initial intent when Rossi ran him wide.Just before he went down his handlebars turned in, my theory was that it was due to the force of Rossi's kick and this may still prove to be the case but, wouldn't that action produce the same signal as turning in to pick up?
It looks like the guard is only covering the end of the lever (which I don't understand given the wording of the reg, but anyway...) but it still looks too narrow for a foot doesn't it?
As I recall, the guards were introduced following the incident at Turn 1 Catalunya 2006, when Gibernau and Capirossi touched bars (possibly, if I may contentiously suggest, costing Loris that elusive blue riband championship). So it may well be that you are right and they are chiefly designed to defend against contact at the tip of the lever - as opposed to also addressing the improbable and unthinkable negligible likelihood other riders deliberately lashing out.
Saying that, it's worth remembering that it wasn't unheard of for some old school racers to lean over and hit a kill switch out of a turn or even ... an opponents lever in an era before the ferocity of carbon discs.
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Well have you ever ... Honda has analyzed MM telemetry and they say at the moment of the crash there is indeed a sudden external force on the brake of MM. Anything to add now, smartass ?
MotoGP 2015: Honda: "La telemetría muestra una patada de Rossi al freno de Marc Márquez" - MARCA.com
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CB,Just before he went down his handlebars turned in, my theory was that it was due to the force of Rossi's kick and this may still prove to be the case but, wouldn't that action produce the same signal as turning in to pick up?
It looks like the guard is only covering the end of the lever (which I don't understand given the wording of the reg, but anyway...) but it still looks too narrow for a foot doesn't it?
I won't take Naka's words as gospel..until he releases the telemetry data that he gave MotoVD...
That said, remember these are stonking big bloody carbons. One finger braking from 300kph. A little tap on your glove is going to have some effect.
Something to think about....
I do think Rossi kicked out. i am far less sure that he aimed it.
