Rossi gets new electronic package

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 14 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not a fan of close racing,
now theres a comment for the scrap book try F1 bm

When you all go on about close racing you seem to be talking about who's in front,The Assen race for example had some really close racing back down the field, thanks to the producer of that programme for showing as much as he did, the trouble is you don't often get to see it. They always show the front of the pack.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 14 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>was that ever intended?

I'm not a fan of close racing, all the best victories I have ever seen were runaways. What makes you think 800's were intendd to produce close racing?
I personally as a major doohan fan enjoyed him dominating massively particularly since you knew at least early in his championship run great skill was being demonstrated as the bike was an absolute beast and very liable to chuck him off with minimal provocation. I don't mind casey winning easily all that much either although races like catalunya 2007 are more satisfying at least in retrospect after he has won.

I have said previously that I don't want close racing in a prototype formula at any cost but I am fairly sure dorna do want close racing ; I think they may even have said so on multiple occasions cf the control tyre debate last year as one example.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 14 2008, 06:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not a fan of close racing

what a ......!
I think you're "INTO" the wrong sport mate...how bout taking a baking class or something?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 14 2008, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I absolutely agree that the 800 formula is a disaster, and in my view one of the biggest problems is that far from reducing injuries it appears to have resulted in more of them. This whole argument that they are easy to ride seems logically inconsistent with the number of accidents, with victims including young riders who are among the most talented and on equipment superior to most such as pedrosa and lorenzo. The fact that among the older riders only the best rider in rossi seems to have mastered the art of riding an 800 bike fast would suggest to me that it is difficult rather than easy to do.

So by all means get rid of the formula and replace it with one requiring less or no traction control, but arguing that you can ride one of the current bikes successfully just by hopping on it and twisting the throttle to maximum and then going to sleep is arrant nonsense in my opinion.

The point of view of the statement came from a rider, not from a spectator like me... Maybe it seems nonsense but Dovi got his point I guess. He rode it and he knew it. He came from a 250 cc which has minimum impact of the TC.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blue Cielo @ Jul 14 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>[/b]

The point of view of the statement came from a rider, not from a spectator like me... Maybe it seems nonsense but Dovi got his point I guess. He rode it and he knew it. He came from a 250 cc which has minimum impact of the TC.
Fair point, but dovi hasn't actually won a race. Lorenzo who has won a race also said similar things, but does not seem to be so convinced now.

I have no problem with dovi or lorenzo, both are obviously potential motogp world champions. I think riders do go in for bravado at times, and even riders saying things doesn't make them true, although they definitely have enormously more credibility than the likes of you and me as you imply .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 14 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>250cc dont have TC, simocelli still ran away with the win. ummmm ok forget about that .... tc causes runaway victories. just sometimes pedrosa has tc, then another day rossi has the tc, but now stoner has the tc.

what is the biggest factor is T

T= talent

Not quite - the biggest factor will always be the bike - unless you are suggesting that someone could win in Moto GP on a moped?

Talent is the deciding factor when the bikes are all the same - however if one bike is massively better than the rest of the fields - then anyone in the field should be able to win on it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 14 2008, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair point, but dovi hasn't actually won a race. Lorenzo who has won a race also said similar things, but does not seem to be so convinced now.

I have no problem with dovi or lorenzo, both are obviously potential motogp world champions. I think riders do go in for bravado at times, and even riders saying things doesn't make them true, although they definitely have enormously more credibility than the likes of you and me as you imply .

yes, regarding winning the race, Dovi hasn't done any and Lorenzo get faded little bit after the crashes, but they have proved they are good riders this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 14 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

How can you find watching one person riding off into the sunset, followed by an unchanging string of riders following behind entertaining?
That's not racing, that's a parade.

Well if they are strung out in a procession single file yes thats a parade ......

the suggested, here, converse to that is everybody moving along side by side ...... thats a march

whoopdeedoo! so you like marches ...... I don't ....... I much prefer watching one damn good rider doing his thing.

Shuffling for places and overtaking merely detracts from a good fast ride to me ...... the sport has historically allways had standout riders, who generally pul away from the pack.

I think what urks me about the whole "march" senario is that it only seems to be the fans of those who are not running away with it that seem to complain. I duly note that the cries have become louder and louder as Rossi's edge is being chipped away. Its stupid because Rossi himself's best ever rides were runaways ( which at the time are hailed as "the allmighty gave them a lesson" etc..

No ...... I much prefer to watch one good rider doing their thing ....... I might even be happy if Motogp turned into a timed trial type race ..... I've followed many other sports that are and found it very much more focussed on the actual rider/racer's performance.

Door banging or "march" style racing is good in some sports ( eg. speedway ...solos ) but the number of competitors is pretty minimal. If I loved "march" style racing I'd watch one of those "bay to breakers" style running marathons .... plenty of competitors .... plenty of argy bargy at the start ..... but meh .... you can have that.

I like the individuals performance in Motogp ..... not the WWFness in it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 14 2008, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shuffling for places and overtaking merely detracts from a good fast ride to me ... I might even be happy if Motogp turned into a timed trial type race .....
more stupid comments for the scrap book time trial are time trial bm not a race !

why do you even bother with motogp ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 15 2008, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>more stupid comments for the scrap book time trial are time trial bm not a race !

why do you even bother with motogp ?


Well lets look at that stupid comment Rog, ....

Ok every Rossi fan and his dog is sooking about it being boring nowadays .....

I'm not ......... who's enjoying it then Rog. ..??? ........need a clue?

SO now we have established that I'm liking the current motogp .......

the big question is ........

why would I not bother

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 14 2008, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>more stupid comments for the scrap book time trial are time trial bm not a race !

why do you even bother with motogp ?

what a ......!
I guess they should just run one rider at a time..clock in and out like cannonball races..


hey Berry...during the 2006 Ring race, i bet you turned off the TV with 2 laps to go huh...since that kinda racing isn't for you you right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 15 2008, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hey Berry...during the 2006 Ring race, i bet you turned off the TV with 2 laps to go huh...since that kinda racing isn't for you you right?

you think I did? well there you go, I live and learn ..... I can't remember .... I was pretty busy in 06 so it was not a good TV year for me.



There's a lot more to each race than just what you see on TV Curve .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl1JAKaV3nY...feature=related

Whattup guys....sorry for the late post, but I was was busy vomiting profusely after watching the Japs let Stoner get away AGAIN. I was all set to watch Pedrosa just disappear but then the only exciting thing in the race happened............Pedrosa duffs it! Pushin way way to hard in the rain if you ask me. I didn't think he deserved to get injured though....after watching the quali, its becoming pretty obvious that Ducati is holding a pretty obvious advantage in the traction department.....I saw the bike get raw a couple times but, as far as spinnin up....no way....the Yam was all over the place in the last 2 splits, where Casey was just gettin on that ..... up the hill. Kudos to the team, but i want to see racing.....hopefully laguna will prove more interesting....

woops...Ben can you move this to German GP Discussion...my bad.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 14 2008, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well if they are strung out in a procession single file yes thats a parade ......

the suggested, here, converse to that is everybody moving along side by side ...... thats a march

whoopdeedoo! so you like marches ...... I don't ....... I much prefer watching one damn good rider doing his thing.

Shuffling for places and overtaking merely detracts from a good fast ride to me ...... the sport has historically allways had standout riders, who generally pul away from the pack.

I think what urks me about the whole "march" senario is that it only seems to be the fans of those who are not running away with it that seem to complain. I duly note that the cries have become louder and louder as Rossi's edge is being chipped away. Its stupid because Rossi himself's best ever rides were runaways ( which at the time are hailed as "the allmighty gave them a lesson" etc..

No ...... I much prefer to watch one good rider doing their thing ....... I might even be happy if Motogp turned into a timed trial type race ..... I've followed many other sports that are and found it very much more focussed on the actual rider/racer's performance.

Door banging or "march" style racing is good in some sports ( eg. speedway ...solos ) but the number of competitors is pretty minimal. If I loved "march" style racing I'd watch one of those "bay to breakers" style running marathons .... plenty of competitors .... plenty of argy bargy at the start ..... but meh .... you can have that.

I like the individuals performance in Motogp ..... not the WWFness in it.

I find it odd that you watch MotoGP then, because racing is the whole point of it.
A grid full of riders passing, blocking, out-braking each other, swapping places, each one putting their lives on the line to be the fist one across that finish line, that's what I, and most people here (I think)want to see.
I'm not saying that I can't appreciate a virtuoso performance by a rider 17 seconds out on his own ,who ticks off lap after perfect lap without a mistake, I can, but that's not racing and if that's what you want every week then why watch MotoGP?

Barry thats the most idiotic statement ever made, Motogp should be run as time trials

<u>If</u> Motogp did run time trials it would have nothing on this event

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 14 2008, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Barry thats the most idiotic statement ever made, Motogp should be run as time trials

<u>If</u> Motogp did run time trials it would have nothing on this event

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