Rider X speaks out about the ills in Motogp

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jul 15 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That still leaves the 1200s, 1300s, 1400s..

hush you...grown folks talking..

You know... R1, CBR1000RR, ZX10, GSXR1000....you heard of those right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 15 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>C'mon man.....Isn't that a little like saying "he rode with NO exhaust"...and then responding "you will not be able to know exactly what he was referring to with the term 'exhaust'?".....TC is TC....it is what it is........


not exactly true. AMA had a big issue with "TC" because there are so many loop holes / variations. I'm pretty sure Mladin / Suzuki got away with it as long as they did, becuase they weren't "technically" using "TC". They had sensors to match front / rear wheel speed. Something along those lines. I'd have to dig up some old articles about it to get exact.

Anyway. The point is ... TC is not just TC as you so put it. soooo many Variables to it. Not saying I agree with Tom, but you can't just lump TC in one big pile.

When suppo says he was riding without TC, i'm assuming he (Sylvi) turned the damn thing off becuase it wasn't working right. So to me, Slyvi turned off the engine/software management side of TC. Which may in turn turn off ALL TC? Don't know exaclty, as I don't have the .... on my bike!

In any case, good job by Sylvi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 16 2008, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You know for an old guy you sure are stupid...you obviously KNOW i'm right and can only come up with that dipshit response...

Sport Bikes nimrod, Sport bikes.

You know... R1, CBR1000RR, ZX10, GSXR1000....you heard of those right?

http://www.kawasaki.com.au/index.php?categ...&product=91

No go? ........... not that I'd want to ride it anyway they weigh a ton


I'l be honest though ...... of late I kinda like the size weight power, power delivery and proportions of a 750.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 15 2008, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyway. The point is ... TC is not just TC as you so put it. soooo many Variables to it. Not saying I agree with Tom, but you can't just lump TC in one big pile.

When suppo says he was riding without TC, i'm assuming he (Sylvi) turned the damn thing off becuase it wasn't working right. So to me, Slyvi turned off the engine/software management side of TC. Which may in turn turn off ALL TC? Don't know exaclty, as I don't have the .... on my bike!

In any case, good job by Sylvi.

I hate to break it to you but that is agreeing with me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jul 16 2008, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That still leaves the 1200s, 1300s, 1400s..


thanks Matts ..... I think Curve lives in Pixieland


what about some of those Motomorini's and Bimota's I've been seeing these days too? They are pretty shmick looking beasts.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes but TC is not a black and whit definition and you know it. Some would consider a fuel map which changes depending on lean angle, gear position and GPS to be TC, some would say it isn't and you don't know which of those catagories Suppo falls into. Or again, servo operated throttle butterflies that automatically adjust with engine breaking or acceleration, TC or not? You could put forward your opinion on the matter but none of us have the definitive answer.
No I don't know that.........my point is the opposite.... if you look at it, no matter how its wired, no matter what systems it integrates with, it LIMITS WHEEL SPIN....nothing more......TC is a system that deals with limiting traction losses, no matter if it uses a gyro to determine if the rider is at a 58% lean angle or whether it has a sensor to determine what position the velocity stacks are relative to throttle position..........the end result is the same......if the system is OFF.....or not being used, the rider is in full control of whether the bike spins or not......and Suppo here said that he used none....maybe in the rain Guintoli didn't want the help, and he wanted to meter the spin himself......THAT is the part we'll never know....

I like how you didn't answer my question...just goes to prove your full of .....


I win!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 15 2008, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No I don't know that.........my point is the opposite.... if you look at it, no matter how its wired, no matter what systems it integrates with, it LIMITS WHEEL SPIN....nothing more..............if the system is OFF.....or not being used, the rider is in full control of whether the bike spins or not......and Suppo here said that he used none

that is only the case if you and Suppo happen to see eye to eye about the phrase "traction control" You can see that can't you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2008, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hate to break it to you but that is agreeing with me.


lol, well.... it sounded to me like you were in a round about way, saying sylvi may have been riding with TC.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 15 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lol, well.... it sounded to me like you were in a round about way, saying sylvi may have been riding with TC.

He could easily have been riding with something that I or anyone other than Suppo could consider to be TC. It's also possible that he wasn't, but we won't likely find out any time soon. Speculating is fun though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thanks Matts ..... I think Curve lives in Pixieland


what about some of those Motomorini's and Bimota's I've been seeing these days too? They are pretty shmick looking beasts.

yes cause "SPORT CRUISERS" like the Busa and ZX14 are used in competitive road racing..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 16 2008, 03:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like how you didn't answer my question...just goes to prove your full of .....


I win!

But I did answer it


Edit.
oh wait .... hardest for me to ride toughest to ride fast. etc ..... I see what you mean ...... oh well thats easy when my kids had a little KX60 and a SX60 .... I swore off them things for life they just go straight from under you !! Theyre mean little tackers!

But seriously ..... you quote showroom bikes that weigh a ton and are overburdened with the bits and pieces required to get road legal ....... by that stage all of them feel like lumps of lard.

Again ..... if I bought one to strip down and do up .... to go fast it would most likely be a 750.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.kawasaki.com.au/index.php?categ...&product=91

No go? ........... not that I'd want to ride it anyway they weigh a ton


I'l be honest though ...... of late I kinda like the size weight power, power delivery and proportions of a 750.

bleck. i'm a kaw fan, but hate that thing. but i'm not in to the whole straight away speed thing. any fool can twist, and pin the throttle in a straight away. JMO! (that topic is for a different conversation though)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But I did answer it

No..you came with some 1200 through 2000cc bike ...........

lets try this again...i know in your old age it's hard to see..but do us a favor and go grab your bifocals and read before posting more BS.

again:

OK "old man"

You walk into a dealership....out of ALLLLLLL the new (Sport) bikes on the floor...What bikes are the fastest, most dangerous, toughest to control, hardest to be fast on? (Sport Bikes)

answer.... the 1000s... 998cc to be exact...NOT the 600s..

The 990s represented just that, too much power for most, and only top riders can put them through the paces.....the 800s are more of a 600 type machine....in the end, you are wrong...i'm just shocked you being older than dirt that you have not learned this

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that is only the case if you and Suppo happen to see eye to eye about the phrase "traction control" You can see that can't you?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He could easily have been riding with something that I or anyone other than Suppo could consider to be TC. It's also possible that he wasn't, but we won't likely find out any time soon. Speculating is fun though

Dude, just because you may not have a firm grasp of what TC means doesn't mean that others don't. I feel like deep down you are just unwilling to admit that TC is a lousy rider aid that is hurting the sport, but that its also a system that is easily defined.
Whether on two wheels or four, its the same thing.....check it out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Traction control helps limit tire slip in acceleration on slippery surfaces. In the past, drivers had to feather the gas pedal to prevent the drive wheels from spinning wildly on slippery pavement. Many of today's vehicles employ electronic controls to limit power delivery for the driver, eliminating wheel slip and helping the driver accelerate under control.
Electronic Traction Control
Enter electronic traction control. In modern vehicles, traction-control systems utilize the same wheel-speed sensors employed by the antilock braking system. These sensors measure differences in rotational speed to determine if the wheels that are receiving power have lost traction. When the traction-control system determines that one wheel is spinning more quickly than the others, it automatically "pumps" the brake to that wheel to reduce its speed and lessen wheel slip. In most cases, individual wheel braking is enough to control wheel slip. However, some traction-control systems also reduce engine power to the slipping wheels. On a few of these vehicles, drivers may sense pulsations of the gas pedal when the system is reducing engine power much like a brake pedal pulsates when the antilock braking system is working.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 16 2008, 04:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No..you came with some 1200 through 2000cc bike ...........

lets try this again...i know in your old age it's hard to see..but do us a favor and go grab your bifocals and read before posting more BS.

again:

OK "old man"

You walk into a dealership....out of ALLLLLLL the new (Sport) bikes on the floor...What bikes are the fastest, most dangerous, toughest to control, hardest to be fast on? (Sport Bikes)

answer.... the 1000s... 998cc to be exact...NOT the 600s..

The 990s represented just that, too much power for most, and only top riders can put them through the paces.....the 800s are more of a 600 type machine....in the end, you are wrong...i'm just shocked you being older than dirt that you have not learned this


why are you stuck on just up to 1,000's? ...... I don't get it?

They are all pretty smoodgy bikes to ride ......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 15 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude, just because you may not have a firm grasp of what TC means doesn't mean that others don't. I feel like deep down you are just unwilling to admit that TC is a lousy rider aid that is hurting the sport, but that its also a system that is easily defined.
Whether on two wheels or four, its the same thing.....check it out.


you're missing his point is all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's ok. Everyone figured it out. In case you haven't..we're joking too..
well I was only referring to one individual, and that wasnt you but......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>why are you stuck on just up to 1,000's? ...... I don't get it?

They are all pretty smoodgy bikes to ride ......

Because THATS what is used in competition world wide. 600s and 1000s, and now 1200 Ducati.

how many ....... ZX1400 and Busa's do you see in WSBK, or AMA, or BSB, Isle of man etc etc...are you sure you're 39, ride, AND follow motorcycle road racing?