Rider X speaks out about the ills in Motogp

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Guintoli raced Sachsenring in the wet with no TC from lap 3 onwards and he did ok. So no tc at all thank you.
Wooppsyyyy..I completely forgot that. Thank you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 02:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here's the linky to the original:

A journalist was pointing out to me that for four races in 2008 the rider who won the race was already leading the race by the end of the first lap. For as many more, the arrival order was decided in the first few laps.
I think that he was reading my posts. I used to point this .... out in the first few races but then gave up because it was so depressing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 15 2008, 03:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If restrictions are so hard or dangerous, why is it almost all the major performance parts of the bikes are closely restricted allready.
What's really left?
Frame, while a major component, until someone find something competly new (and I'm not talking carbon fibre) it's a very advanced and tested technology with very little to gain from the best of the present.
Suspension: the same can be said as above.
I'm sure you can find more but the point is they have limited influence and as it all is old technolgy it's also very close to it's optimum unless it is allready clearly regulated as most things allready are.

Advanced computers are the new thing that change so many aspects of the ride. It sure is an exciting aspect to test and develop but it also does something else.
It doesn't take away a riders importance but it changes the role of the rider quite a bit.
The riders ability to give the right input to the team and for the team to set the bike up (including computer adjustments of course) are so much more important. That's true even with todays advanced telemetric. When the lights go out at the start there seems to be very few variables in the riders ability to change speed. They are all riding very close to a very blunt edge (relative to the past). Exactly how close and how fast depend on riders ability and the bike but the point is that for that rider/bike combination they are very close to the edge. That's what rider aids does and that's why there are so little changes and why they slowly spread out. Add to that the tire management and TC's help to ride worn tires fast and you have the same lap times all through the race.
We don't see much change due to tire wear, or whight distribution with less gas, or a rider that really make an inpired ride as he suddenly start to catch the others and pass them.
Sure, it's all still there, not completly gone but to a much lesser degree than it used to be.

Nice post.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 06:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah barry...we all know you've been watching gp since dinosaurs roamed the earth...but it IS the age of electronics after all so all X can do is tap away at his Vaio till the software guys on his team deliver the goods...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 15 2008, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would expect a post like this from a person that doesn't ride and doesn't know .... about bikes..

those tractors are faster and more ballsy than your 800 pocket bikes....your a little guy aren't you?

One thing I can guarantee with you Curve, is that I was riding bikes before you were born

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 15 2008, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hhhhmmmm, a 1000cc two stroke

Well I used to ride 750 two strokes ..... and I can happily say ..... I wasn't sorry they dissappeared.

The sad thing with the 750's was that they had so much oomph that they didn't need to be refined ...... and they seemed like that

I kinda equate that to why we now have 800's today ........ its all for the better .... if history is anything to go by.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 03:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I CAN picture him having a laugh, but somehow I think if Rossi wanted to stir the .... pot he'd come right out and stir it...especially because according to a lot of his detractors on here, Dorna does nothing but lick his mismatched boots!

No, no bikergirl, no "licking", just ... kissing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One thing I can guarantee with you Curve, is that I was riding bikes before you were born

I seriously doubt that i bet i have bikes OLDER than you in my garage...

And even "IF" it were true...you obviously didn't learn .... along the way style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

Traction control and other ECU improvements trickling down to the showroom floor is a bad thing? When they switch back to 990's or whatever, motorsport will be better as a result of the massive tech advancements being made right now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah barry...we all know you've been watching gp since dinosaurs roamed the earth...but it IS the age of electronics after all so all X can do is tap away at his Vaio till the software guys on his team deliver the goods...

"Delivering the Goods" ........ thats one of those sexual terms you youngies use today isn't it?

Well thats another thing they didn't have in the days of yore! ....... you wouldn't have no software guy trying to "deliver the goods" to the rider!!

And whats a Vaio ..... wasn't he Fonzies nephew?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>990's were the worst era of Motogp ever! too much like WSBK and Superstock or even Extreme bike racing to me. I'm glad motogp has again found an elite formula in 800's as were the 500's. I never thought the 1000's were as interesting as the 500's but 800's seem to have brought back that speed.

Can somebody explain why this guy sounds so much like pinky?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 16 2008, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I seriously doubt that i bet i have bikes OLDER than you in my garage...

And even "IF" it were true...you obviously didn't learn .... along the way style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

No.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 16 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can somebody explain why this guy sounds so much like pinky?


Thats because you think I'm Pinky remember Rog.!

Seriously JUm. I add stuff on topic and its not what you want to hear so you come out with the sooks, by whimpy personal attacks ..... you and Rog. are also pretty alike in that manner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 15 2008, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hhhhmmmm, a 1000cc two stroke
for those who HAVENT figured it out, that was a joke

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No.

yes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Guintoli raced Sachsenring in the wet with no TC from lap 3 onwards and he did ok. So no tc at all thank you.

Yes but does anyone know in exactly what sense his "traction control" wasn't working. Did the GPS, gear sensor or lean angle measuring thing (or all three) pack up so the engines mapping was consistent at all times? Or did sofware decide that Sylvains throttle inputs would be matched in a constant and linera relationship into and out of corners? Perhaps he just lost his antispin ignition retardation. There are so many ways TC could have failed with differing impacts on what the rider has to adapt to. All we know is that Sylvain had fun, he got a good result and before we were told we had no idea this was going on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 15 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>those tractors are faster and more ballsy than your 800 pocket bikes....

Firstly those tractors are POTENTIALLY faster, but in the form they actually exist in are not as quick race bikes. Secondly most reports seem to say that the 800cc bikes put more focus on precision in setup and riding, rather than the 990's which allowed problems with both to be ironed over. I think cornering at that speed with that precision is comparitively ballsy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats because you think I'm Pinky remember Rog.!

Seriously JUm. I add stuff on topic and its not what you want to hear so you come out with the sooks, by whimpy personal attacks ..... you and Rog. are also pretty alike in that manner

I take issue with you saying I'm like Roger.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2008, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Firstly those tractors are POTENTIALLY faster, but in the form they actually exist in are not as quick race bikes. Secondly most reports seem to say that the 800cc bikes put more focus on precision in setup and riding, rather than the 990's which allowed problems with both to be ironed over. I think cornering at that speed with that precision is comparitively ballsy.

Like I said, the youngins ALWAYS fall for DORNA's marketing fluff.

You are a marketers wet dream, Tom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After the race Livio Suppo came out and said Guintoli had NO traction control. 'completamente senza' ie for those of you who don't speak the language of the paddock 'completely without'.

I wonder if he commented on how much Casey used?.....how do you say "completely WITH"....in Italian....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After the race Livio Suppo came out and said Guintoli had NO traction control. 'completamente senza' ie for those of you who don't speak the language of the paddock 'completely without'.

But you will not be able know exactly what he was reffering to with the term "traction control" unless you have a serious inside scoop on a technical level. That is my point.