Rider X speaks out about the ills in Motogp

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 16 2008, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>most reports seem to say that the 800cc bikes put more focus on precision in setup and riding, rather than the 990's which allowed problems with both to be ironed over.


Thats kinda what I was trying to say when we went from 750 to 500 twp strokes ...... things got far more reliant on precision. Nicely worded.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Firstly those tractors are POTENTIALLY faster, but in the form they actually exist in are not as quick race bikes. Secondly most reports seem to say that the 800cc bikes put more focus on precision in setup and riding, rather than the 990's which allowed problems with both to be ironed over. I think cornering at that speed with that precision is comparitively ballsy.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats kinda what I was trying to say when we went from 750 to 500 twp strokes ...... things got far more reliant on precision. Nicely worded.

dumb and dumber

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Damn! A fight about who is the most geriatric of the two...now that's something you don't see everyday....

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 15 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If restrictions are so hard or dangerous, why is it almost all the major performance parts of the bikes are closely restricted allready.

Yea but its all relative. Obviously there is a massive amount of technical regulations for all sorts of reasons but the design freedom given is amongst the highest in motorsport today and that is great for the sport. A limit has to be drawn somewhere and it is, the difference is that the rules allow engineers to take different approaches to that limit rather than being forced to conform to the same thing like in so many other series' i can think of.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 15 2008, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Which of course you do Tom.
No not at all, the whole point of my post was that we do not understand exactly what Sylvain was dealing with based simply on the phrase "no traction control".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2008, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But you will not be able know exactly what he was reffering to with the term "traction control" unless you have a serious inside scoop on a technical level. That is my point.
C'mon man.....Isn't that a little like saying "he rode with NO exhaust"...and then responding "you will not be able to know exactly what he was referring to with the term 'exhaust'?".....TC is TC....it is what it is........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 16 2008, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if he commented on how much Casey used?.....how do you say "completely WITH"....in Italian....


And he actually stole some of Rossi's too I guess?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 16 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>C'mon man.....Isn't that a little like saying "he rode with NO exhaust"...and then responding "you will not be able to know exactly what he was referring to with the term 'exhaust'?".....TC is TC....it is what it is........

You knock Pinky and his posts then you come out with the pinnacle of stupid posts

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 15 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>C'mon man.....Isn't that a little like saying "he rode with NO exhaust"...and then responding "you will not be able to know exactly what he was referring to with the term 'exhaust'?".....TC is TC....it is what it is........

Okay so you think that not only the details of Ducatis electronic control are commonly known, but also exactly which elements of that electronic control Suppo reffers to with the phrase "traction control"?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 16 2008, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>36


yey I win! .... I've been riding for 39 years!


And yes BG sadly ...... it would seem geriatric I hence am




Edit: Curve I checked it out .... I had one of these when you were born didn't I?
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/epic_mcy...2-mx_small.aspx

loved that bike too. Still remember it fondly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 16 2008, 03:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So spake Einstein in the days of yore

Hoorah! someone who speaks some sense at last !!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 15 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dumb and dumber
Give him a break bro he is getting old. YOu'll be there someday and then you can make stupid posts to.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> yey I win! .... I've been riding for 39 years!


And yes BG sadly ...... it would seem geriatric I hence am




Edit: Curve I checked it out .... I had one of these when you were born didn't I?
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/epic_mcy...2-mx_small.aspx

loved that bike too. Still remember it fondly.

I'm sure you riding that thing at 3 years old who you trying to fool? you were still sucking on mommy's ... brother

OK "old man"

You walk into a dealership....out of ALLLLLLL the new bikes on the floor...What bikes are the fastest, most dangerous, toughest to control, hardest to be fast on?

answer.... the 1000s... 998cc to be exact...NOT the 600s..

The 990s represented just that, too much power for most, and only top riders can put them through the paces.....the 800s are more of a 600 type machine....in the end, you are wrong...i'm just shocked you being older than dirt that you have not learned this

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You knock Pinky and his posts then you come out with the pinnacle of stupid posts
Listen dude, I knock Pinky because he's a meatbox, I don't take offense that you blow him, that's your lifestyle choice, I have no problem with it. But if my comment that TC is TC is the pinnacle of all stupid posts, you need to read some of your own.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2008, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okay so you think that not only the details of Ducatis electronic control are commonly known, but also exactly which elements of that electronic control Suppo reffers to with the phrase "traction control"?
Dude, you are trying to slice a story in such a way to remove evidence that hurts your opinion. Traction control in general is nothing more than a series of either programs or mechanical sensors on the main ECU of a bike that controls wheel spin. Arguing how many, or what components a manufacturer uses is irrelevant.....Suppo said he had "NO Traction Control"........which means the system was either off or functioning in a minimal capacity........trying to make a case for Ducati by calling the definition of TC into question is silly because he's saying it wasn't being used.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 16 2008, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You walk into a dealership....out of ALLLLLLL the new bikes on the floor...What bikes are the fastest, most dangerous, toughest to control, hardest to be fast on?

1200's, 1300, 1400, ...... gee I noticed a 2L even the other day ....though thats a cruiser .... hell with 2L even as a cruiser it would win wouldn't it by your reckoning Curve?


Oh and you made a fatal flaw in your math about me riding at 3 years old ....... you made a terrible assumption that I was born riding ..... I'd love to be able to say that .... however I was a tad older before I got on my first "real" bike

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 15 2008, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1200's, 1300, 1400, ...... gee I noticed a 2L even the other day ....though thats a cruiser .... hell with 2L even as a cruiser it would win wouldn't it by your reckoning Curve?

You know for an old guy you sure are stupid...you obviously KNOW i'm right and can only come up with that dipshit response...

Sport Bikes nimrod, Sport bikes.

You know... R1, CBR1000RR, ZX10, GSXR1000....you heard of those right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 15 2008, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude, you are trying to slice a story in such a way to remove evidence that hurts your opinion. Traction control in general is nothing more than a series of either programs or mechanical sensors on the main ECU of a bike that controls wheel spin. Arguing how many, or what components a manufacturer uses is irrelevant.....Suppo said he had "NO Traction Control"........which means the system was either off or functioning in a minimal capacity........trying to make a case for Ducati by calling the definition of TC into question is silly because he's saying it wasn't being used.

Yes but TC is not a black and whit definition and you know it. Some would consider a fuel map which changes depending on lean angle, gear position and GPS to be TC, some would say it isn't and you don't know which of those catagories Suppo falls into. Or again, servo operated throttle butterflies that automatically adjust with engine breaking or acceleration, TC or not? You could put forward your opinion on the matter but none of us have the definitive answer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 15 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You know for an old guy you sure are stupid...you obviously KNOW i'm right and can only come up with that dipshit response...

Sport Bikes nimrod, Sport bikes.
That still leaves the 1200s, 1300s, 1400s..