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rd6 assen... predics, practice, quali

Yeah Arm pump happens but usually the first season's / rookie or so to motogp etc

is it Casey trying to adapt to the bang set up Riding style ?

or Man-up needed

You're probably right. And I suppose Nicky just had an op to prevent powersliders calling him a ...... Stoner, get some concrete into ya!
 
Whatever state of season that Colin has,he generally goes well at Assen which surprised me.Maybe he`ll have to consider SBK or retirement in 2011(I`d prefer him to do a season in SBK though) if the hunger has gone.
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I think Colin has been preparing for the life after racing and doing so for some time. I hope he would go to WSBK butI think he is ready to hang em up
 
Yeah Arm pump happens but usually the first season's / rookie or so to motogp etc

is it Casey trying to adapt to the bang set up Riding style ?

or Man-up needed



Hayden had surgery for arm pump within the last two seasons. And if

I'm not mistaken, it wasn't the first time.
 
Is the gp10 really that bad? With Nicky performing better than any other besides stoner?



I'm at a bit of a loss with Yamaha basically offering jl the same as the goat, obviously they knew vr wouldn't see this as favourable-looks like a push to me and a very risky one based on history.........



I think bernie e will have a lot to do with the movements of vr next year
 
Nicky sucked .... ....!!!



Sadly today was the first time I began to think Haydens newfound form may have more been a consequence of Stoner's lacking form this season. We'll see, you of all people willhave to "give him a bit of rope".
 
Not a very exciting race....
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makes me wonder what it would have been like if Rossi was racing..Surely not a Jorge cake walk



I disagree it was a good race. Eventually it spread out but thats fime by me.



I also started to wonder the same about Rossi, though in terms of them not finally spreading out? And I wondered with Rossi "is it a pace thing" or is it more of a " is he just plain good at blocking" thing?
 
Where the hell were Nicky and Colin today? One step backwards I think.



You have to remember Stoner came back to some extent, unfortunately this was at a cost of placings for Hayden.





Anyway ,racing was pepped up by RdP`s antics,great to watch.
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Yeah Randy was great, towards the end he almost seemed the "comic french relief"
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Was a great ride.
 
I disagree it was a good race. Eventually it spread out but thats fime by me.



I also started to wonder the same about Rossi, though in terms of them not finally spreading out? And I wondered with Rossi "is it a pace thing" or is it more of a " is he just plain good at blocking" thing?



Barry,

I guess I am spoiled with the Moto2 dices. This season I was really looking forward to Rossi/Lorenzo/Stoner battling tooth and nail with a few shockers from Pedrosa.



Now Jorge is totally walking away with the Championship. This race seemed to promise Stoner fighting with Lorenzo but none of the fireworks went off.



don't get me wrong. it was great seeing DePuniet/Dovi but a little bit of the wind is out of the sails this season.
 
Barry,

I guess I am spoiled with the Moto2 dices. This season I was really looking forward to Rossi/Lorenzo/Stoner battling tooth and nail with a few shockers from Pedrosa.



Now Jorge is totally walking away with the Championship. This race seemed to promise Stoner fighting with Lorenzo but none of the fireworks went off.



don't get me wrong. it was great seeing DePuniet/Dovi but a little bit of the wind is out of the sails this season.



I know what you mean about Stoner, yes the "fireworks" don't appear to be there with the big bang Duc. but at one stage I thought it was lining up to be an altime great dice. ie. when Pedro and Stoner had actually caught up on Lorenzo.



I got more of a let down with Moto2 though this time ..... I was getting hyped for Willarot .... which was a let down at the end, so MGP seemed fine
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Interestingly Daryl Beattie pretty much said the same thing about Stoner and the arm pump issue. His opinion was that the only reason it was occuring was that he was trying to adapt to the bike.



Mind you even if Caseys front wheel fell off there would be someone bagging him for a crap excuse...........



Also I do believe that Stone said he never thought he would beat whore gay but would maybe be abit closer than he was.



Still it still shows that the only person who can ride the Duck is Casey. Nicky was never close all weekend and the only time he pulled a decent lap out was when he followed Casey.



The GP10 is competitive look at Qatar, Le mans, Silverstone and now Assen. The reason he did get a podium in the first 2 was his own fault for falling off (whatever the reason). And when Casey has been on it no other Ducati rider is even close.



Cheers



The Gecko Hunter



I don't think the GP10 is competitive. Hayden getting a series of 4th's doesn't make a bike competitive and the races you quoted that Stoner was competitive I think it was because STONER is competitive not the Ducati. Remember Stoner like Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa will always make a bike look better than it is because motorcycle racing is still a huge percentage rider. Stoner being competitive rather than the Ducati being competitive is well documented over 3 and a bit seasons now.
 
I don't think the GP10 is competitive. Hayden getting a series of 4th's doesn't make a bike competitive and the races you quoted that Stoner was competitive I think it was because STONER is competitive not the Ducati. Remember Stoner like Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa will always make a bike look better than it is because motorcycle racing is still a huge percentage rider. Stoner being competitive rather than the Ducati being competitive is well documented over 3 and a bit seasons now.

I mostly go along with this, although I can see the argument that what suits him in a bike is too extreme to suit most others; if he is good enough to win a championship for a less than top tier manufacturer then this isn't a problem so long as he is seen to be healthy and reliable, concerning which ducati/marlboro began to have doubts last year, fairly or unfairly. I also don't find entirely unreasonable doubts some have had as to whether ducati are capable of providing completely top-notch bikes for both factory riders.



I think riding for a one rider factory backed team next year for honda or even ducati as some were suggesting over the assen week-end might really suit him.
 
I mostly go along with this, although I can see the argument that what suits him in a bike is too extreme to suit most others; if he is good enough to win a championship for a less than top tier manufacturer then this isn't a problem so long as he is seen to be healthy and reliable, concerning which ducati/marlboro began to have doubts last year, fairly or unfairly. I also don't find entirely unreasonable doubts some have had as to whether ducati are capable of providing completely top-notch bikes for both factory riders.



I think riding for a one rider factory backed team next year for honda or even ducati as some were suggesting over the assen week-end might really suit him.

However, would they be willing to meet his needs & provide him with a bike extreme enough for him to ride? Neither Honda or Ducati's strong point.
 
Lorenzo didn't look as impressive and fast as his last gp, but his form was enough for leading the race from the start to finish again.



at the first part of the race it looked like Pedrosa was going to catch him up and overtake him, but Lorenzo just kept his cool and cotroled the pace and the race. the same was happening with Casey, he was right behind Danni and i thought he might overtake him and go for George, but that didn't happend.



I never thought i could fall in sleep while watching the race in Assen, but i found myself waking up by their noises more than a few times, and everytime i looked they were just following eachother with some gaps between them. the race has been a bit more exiting on tv.
 
Yaaaawn the race was boring.
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Even when Pedrosa approached Lorenzo, it was clear Jorge was saving a few tenths up his sleeve.

Lorenzo was trying hard not to kill the show too much, a little (just a little) like Rossi used to do in 2002-2003.



Stoner already has a contract for next year, he's not going to risk a collarbone without concrete hopes of racing for the title. Hope I'm wrong though, and that it is just technical problems (but I am not convinced the GP10 is a bad bike actually).
 
Here's the difference (from crash.net) between motogp and wsbk as they have both raced at assen on the same circuit this year:



Yamaha

MotoGP: YZR-M1 1m 34.626s (Lorenzo)

WSBK YZF-R1 1m 36.472s (Toseland)

Difference: 1.846s



Honda

MotoGP: RC212V 1m 34.525s (Pedrosa)

WSBK CBR1000RR 1m 36.312s (Rea)

Difference: 1.787s



Ducati

MotoGP: Desmosedici GP10 1m 34.761s (Stoner)

WSBK 1198R 1m 36.413s (Checa)

Difference: 1.652s



Suzuki

MotoGP: GSV-R 1m 36.219s (Capirossi)

WSBK 1198R1m 36.452s (Haslam)

Difference: 0.233s



...bet suzuki are hoping for the 1000cc rule change!
 
Stoner already has a contract for next year, he's not going to risk a collarbone without concrete hopes of racing for the title. Hope I'm wrong though, and that it is just technical problems (but I am not convinced the GP10 is a bad bike actually).

This had occurred to me also. Even fans such as me will concede he is on the "prickly"' side as someone put it elsewhere. and I imagine he was not overly pleased with ducati's (or marlboro's anyway) attitude during his travails last year, and that they and possibly bridgestone have developed in a direction different to his preference. Having been thrown off the bike twice which he may have concluded was related to the development direction I could see him pushing the limits less than is his usual wont with as you say little chance of the championship except for injury to jorge, particularly if he is signed to hrc and to a bike which currently looks better suited to him to the casual observer.
 

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