Man, I am starting to think you have an infatuation with me right now.
I mean, I was not the only person to omit skill yet their posts are acceptable but mine isn't.
Or is that because you have me painted as a closet Rossi hater - oh yeah, that'd be it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 1 2009, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice Back pedal, But in the same breath, you say you have no farken idea of how he hasn't injured himself badly-which means the first point 'A bit of Luck' reads more true than the rest, so yes you do need to mention the fact that his skill has helped him to remain injury free, otherwise we don't really know where you are coming from, and additions like 'Safety Improvements at circuits' when riders (on the same bike) like JL have broken ankles and much more with these safety improvements implemented - makes this fairly invalid.
Actually there was no backpedal, but if you feel better saying it than all good. You see, I took it for granted that riding skills were not in question from the OP and answered accordingly, seems many did the same so we are all wrong to not have factored riding skills.
I had the NFI in the first post but you still wanted to try to dissect it then as well.
So, you answer for me.
Does skill stop you getting hurt when you have fallen?
As for the 'safety improvements' part, you are wrong again --- kinda.
JL's broken ankles were caused by a highside from memory, DP's at PI years ago caused by wall impacting etc. I for one cannot recall VR impacting an object in crash sense and the last highside of VR that springs to mind was 2007 (Indy this year was weird).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 1 2009, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>'Doesn't impact walls or obstructions' how can VR, or any rider, determine this??? And how does something reasonably 'Impossible' for a rider to control once he has fallen off-like this, make your list when a simple 'Rider Skill' or 'Throttle Control' does not?
Because a rider once fallen is subject to laws that skill plays no real part in.
As an example.
You have a ball.
You aim at a target and throw it.
Once that ball leaves your hand it is subject to a number of variables over which you have no control so the end result is a bit of luck and then open to those variables as to the end result.
The ball, whilst in mid flight is not subject to your skill.
Basically, (for the antipodeans here), look at cricket where high level players practice their fielding and throwing for hours on end. The throw the ball at a stump to try to hit it - but they do not hit it each and every time do they?
The skill is in knowing what to do in order to prepare for the throw but once that ball has left your hand skill plays no part in what happens next - you just need to hope that all was right before it left.
Much as with a rider, they can do everything possible whilst on the bike, but oncet hey are off it other things are at play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 1 2009, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO-a simple 'VR's exemplary riding skill has prevented or assisted the following'
- frequency of accidents - rare
- type of incident - generally lowside or at lower speed
- also, general single rider incidents
- generally he is not fighting when incident occrs, so risk lessened of subsequent bike/rider impacts
(note the Exclusions)
Would this not make your 'original meaning' a little clearer?
Sorry, in future I will ask that you proof read everything - would you prefer this done by PM or email
But funny thing is, only you seem so hung up on it, others took it and ignored or read or whatever they chose.
Gaz
I mean, I was not the only person to omit skill yet their posts are acceptable but mine isn't.
Or is that because you have me painted as a closet Rossi hater - oh yeah, that'd be it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 1 2009, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice Back pedal, But in the same breath, you say you have no farken idea of how he hasn't injured himself badly-which means the first point 'A bit of Luck' reads more true than the rest, so yes you do need to mention the fact that his skill has helped him to remain injury free, otherwise we don't really know where you are coming from, and additions like 'Safety Improvements at circuits' when riders (on the same bike) like JL have broken ankles and much more with these safety improvements implemented - makes this fairly invalid.
Actually there was no backpedal, but if you feel better saying it than all good. You see, I took it for granted that riding skills were not in question from the OP and answered accordingly, seems many did the same so we are all wrong to not have factored riding skills.
I had the NFI in the first post but you still wanted to try to dissect it then as well.
So, you answer for me.
Does skill stop you getting hurt when you have fallen?
As for the 'safety improvements' part, you are wrong again --- kinda.
JL's broken ankles were caused by a highside from memory, DP's at PI years ago caused by wall impacting etc. I for one cannot recall VR impacting an object in crash sense and the last highside of VR that springs to mind was 2007 (Indy this year was weird).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 1 2009, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>'Doesn't impact walls or obstructions' how can VR, or any rider, determine this??? And how does something reasonably 'Impossible' for a rider to control once he has fallen off-like this, make your list when a simple 'Rider Skill' or 'Throttle Control' does not?
Because a rider once fallen is subject to laws that skill plays no real part in.
As an example.
You have a ball.
You aim at a target and throw it.
Once that ball leaves your hand it is subject to a number of variables over which you have no control so the end result is a bit of luck and then open to those variables as to the end result.
The ball, whilst in mid flight is not subject to your skill.
Basically, (for the antipodeans here), look at cricket where high level players practice their fielding and throwing for hours on end. The throw the ball at a stump to try to hit it - but they do not hit it each and every time do they?
The skill is in knowing what to do in order to prepare for the throw but once that ball has left your hand skill plays no part in what happens next - you just need to hope that all was right before it left.
Much as with a rider, they can do everything possible whilst on the bike, but oncet hey are off it other things are at play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 1 2009, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO-a simple 'VR's exemplary riding skill has prevented or assisted the following'
- frequency of accidents - rare
- type of incident - generally lowside or at lower speed
- also, general single rider incidents
- generally he is not fighting when incident occrs, so risk lessened of subsequent bike/rider impacts
(note the Exclusions)
Would this not make your 'original meaning' a little clearer?
Sorry, in future I will ask that you proof read everything - would you prefer this done by PM or email
But funny thing is, only you seem so hung up on it, others took it and ignored or read or whatever they chose.
Gaz
