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800's ruined the class for me. Because you got to the point where corner speed/tyres and electronics became the dominant factor. You watch an 06 race and then an 07 race, the bikes moves around much less because they had more grip than power.

Honda also prattle on with the electronics about how they want to develop their own and not use a 'control' system, but were among the moaners when Ducati developed a Bridgestone tyre for their bike that trounched the Michelin shod Honda.

I'm hoping Ducati are up there again this year, not least to give a few more bikes/riders a chance of winning.
 
800's weren't the problem. Fuel restrictions and control tyres were the problem.

Saying that the 990 era towards the end were exceptional. Basic in comparison to today's bikes with bucket loads of power. The 990 era was not perfect though. SNS manipulated the results and had that continued to today it would be out of control.
 
Saying that the 990 era towards the end were exceptional. Basic in comparison to today's bikes with bucket loads of power. The 990 era was not perfect though. SNS manipulated the results and had that continued to today it would be out of control.

Fair point, but you look at a lot of races in the 06 season and you can't be sure who is going to win going into the last lap. Apart from Barcelona on 2015 I can't think of another that wasn't a procession.

I'm not lamenting a bygone era. I understand things move on, but the racing was much closer back then for the main reason that things were simpler (as in the electronics)
 
800's weren't the problem. Fuel restrictions and control tyres were the problem.

Saying that the 990 era towards the end were exceptional. Basic in comparison to today's bikes with bucket loads of power. The 990 era was not perfect though. SNS manipulated the results and had that continued to today it would be out of control.

Exactly.

For some, spending millions and millions designing a bike around a tire is the right way, means "capacity", "talent". LoL.
 
Hi J4rn0. I couldnt help being drawn out for a post. Firstly I respect your opinions, but I cant help thinking of Jumkie sitting there and laughing his fat ... off about some of this, especially Krops crying about how Jumkie ruins respectable motogp forums and must therefore be eliminated, or at the very least banned, before we all get depressed.

I absolutely do not believe that Jum should be banned. Nor do I think he ruined this forum. There were a group of people who turned every conversation the same way: MotoGP sucks, and it's rigged. That does not make for a particularly cheerful conversation.

If you think MotoGP sucks, that's fine. Stop watching. The only way MotoGP will change is if people stop watching, and money stops rolling into the coffers of Dorna. Their owners, Bridgepoint and the Canadian pension fund, are in this to make money. If people stop watching, then Dorna will have to change the formula.


Casey Stoner was absolutely right about MotoGP, but he was also misguided. At one of his last races, I can't remember if it was Aragon or Valencia, myself and Dennis Noyes spoke to him about leaving MotoGP. He said it had been ruined by too many electronics, and that had taken all of the fun out of it. He then said that this was all Dorna's fault. We pointed out to Stoner that in fact, Dorna was trying to ban electronics, but Honda - his employer - were preventing this. "That's not what I heard," is what he told us. Despite Nakamoto's public statements that Honda would leave if electronic development was limited. Turned out that was partially a bluff, but nevertheless...

Not that the switch to spec electronics will make that much difference. As the teams running the RC213V-RS have found out, even with spec electronics, setting the bike up is a ...... There are millions of permutations, and getting it right needs lots of time and lots of manpower. It's the same in Moto2, the top teams are always the same. Because they can afford to have data guys who spend all their time going through spreadsheets of data from the 02 sensors, optimizing fueling strategies for every conceivable combination of engine load, gear, throttle opening and bike attitude, in search of perfect combustion. Their endless hours of work mean that their bikes have better throttle response, and are easier to ride on the limit, so their riders always win. The smaller teams have data guys who have other things to do (such as work to earn a wage so they can afford to go racing), and so can't spend the time slogging through the data. The set up of their bikes isn't as good as the top teams, so their riders face an uphill struggle from the start.


Anyway, I'll let you all get back to slagging me off. gui22a will be delighted to hear that I do not intend to do this forever, so he will have to find someone else to hate soon.
 
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From what you say Krop, it sounds to me like they now design the bikes to be as theoretically fast as possible within the fuel regulations etc, then use the electronics to basically make the bike rideable by a human being as in their raw state they'd be impossible to ride competitively.
 
From what you say Krop, it sounds to me like they now design the bikes to be as theoretically fast as possible within the fuel regulations etc, then use the electronics to basically make the bike rideable by a human being as in their raw state they'd be impossible to ride competitively.

Just semantics #22 but...

The truth is they would, of course, be able to be ridden competitively - new riders to the field START by riding them with all the electrickery OFF. They are no where near as fast, but they certainly CAN be ridden sans electronics. If the whole field race with no electricks it would be a VERY competitive race; but slower.
 
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Just my opinion but taking cheap shorts at Krop personally is pretty average. Sure have a go at the content of his articles, the way he runs his site or the comments he makes here as I am quite sure he is man enough to take that on the chin and give it back. But cheap personal insults say more about the person making them then the subject of the insult.
 
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Just my opinion but taking cheap shorts at Krop personally is pretty average. Sure have a go at the content of his articles, the way he runs his site or the comments he makes here as I am quite sure he is man enough to take that on the chin and give it back. But cheap personal insults say more about the person making them then the subject of the insult.

My thoughts exactly mate. Piss poor form if you ask me.
 
Absolutely, that'd work for me. Few hour drive works for me. I didn't realize you were in Berkeley. I moved to Cali about 7 months ago. North Bay...we're not far, gotta friend in Berkeley I meet in the city once in a while.

Actually, I need to change that. I was there until November 2013 and have been back in South Florida ever since. However, I'm trying to make my way back to Cali before the summer. I miss it.

What about you? No more Chicago or Miami? Still have the Duc?
 
https://twitter.com/motomatters/status/579613888402030592

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Really ?? Really ??????????????

Kropo is by far the biggest d@#$head in the world of motogp. I dont know why 30K people follow and listen to him.

Pfff.... there is no justice in the world

Stupid guy + ........ + a blog = 30K.
Geez!

Hey, it's so easy you could do it. All you need is ........ and twitter, right? I look forward to your Twitter follower count dwarfing my own.
 
Hey, it's so easy you could do it. All you need is ........ and twitter, right? I look forward to your Twitter follower count dwarfing my own.

Yeah its easy , but its unfair for others journalists if a person like you have 30K followers . Am i wrong ? :giggle:

WTF ?
I have zero followers . Who cares about followers ? I told you that Its just unfair for others journalists. I am not at twitter for followers , i am for following people for motogp , wsbk , ama , ama supecross , mxgp.
Who cares for followers!?! Think about it , or maybe not :rolleyes:
 
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Yeah its easy , but its unfair for others journalists if a person like you have 30K followers . Am i wrong ? :giggle:

WTF ?
I have zero followers . Who cares about followers ? I told you that Its just unfair for others journalists. I am not at twitter for followers , i am for following people for motogp , wsbk , ama , ama supecross , mxgp.
Who cares for followers!?! Think about it , or maybe not :rolleyes:

It's "unfair"? What the actual ....? What does the number of followers I have on social media have to do with anything? I do believe this is the most bizarre accusation ever made against me.
 
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It's "unfair"? What the actual ....? What does the number of followers I have on social media have to do with anything? I do believe this is the most bizarre accusation ever made against me.

Dont you know anything about twitter krop?? If everyone is following you, then none of the other journos can be followed. Geez, talk about out of touch..... Lol
 

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