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michaelm said:

I am happy to see how things eventuate at this early stage in the season myself, but where do you get off calling someone stupid for wondering what might transpire with a new tyre supplier? Tyre machinations in modern premier class GP bike racing are hardly unprecedented.

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Tyre machinations can help a certain Italian and can help a certain Spanish or a British or even an Iranian (there aren't any Iranian riders but yeah if I have to dream up that there are going to be plots then let sky be the limit)
Thing is 2016 season as of now looks more interesting and somewhat less predictive than last year(Lorenzo seems on track to win again with his consistently good laptimes thats the major aberration from this thought process but yeah its early). Such blame game and hinting that entire world is conspiring to make someone win at this stage is being prejudiced. But yeah if one is prejudiced then why act innocent and create an argument.
My point was that while I see some of the weirdest and long drawn War of the Words here, people have the option to speak freely without being mowed down. But attacking from behind veil...that is stupid. Yeah I said that. And I think it is....stupid it is.

Rafa said:

Tyre machinations can help a certain Italian and can help a certain Spanish or a British or even an Iranian (there aren't any Iranian riders but yeah if I have to dream up that there are going to be plots then let sky be the limit)
Thing is 2016 season as of now looks more interesting and somewhat less predictive than last year(Lorenzo seems on track to win again with his consistently good laptimes thats the major aberration from this thought process but yeah its early). Such blame game and hinting that entire world is conspiring to make someone win at this stage is being prejudiced. But yeah if one is prejudiced then why act innocent and create an argument.
My point was that while I see some of the weirdest and long drawn War of the Words here, people have the option to speak freely without being mowed down. But attacking from behind veil...that is stupid. Yeah I said that. And I think it is....stupid it is.

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The poster said last time Honda had an unpopular lead rider changes were made to both regulations and tyre formulae after strong early season testing performances, hardly outrageous speculation, more a matter of historical fact.

I myself have said on this thread that I give credit to Rossi for the quality of the Yamaha bike in recent years including this one, that I am not sure that MM and/or his crew are up to guiding or perhaps more accurately restraining the HRC engineers which Mick Doohan historically regarded as his main role as the lead HRC rider, and that if MM is sandbagging it may be tactical and an attempt to emulate the famous Rossi mind games and have called no-one stupid, although I can can make an exception to my usual policy of not doing so if you like.

michaelm said:

have called no-one stupid, although I can can make an exception to my usual policy of not doing so if you like.

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What does this suppose to mean??

Rafa said:

What does this suppose to mean??

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Since you have raised the question I think it is stupid to call people stupid because you disagree with their opinion.

You can have whatever opinion you like as far as I am concerned, and I will dispute it if I disagree with it and can come up with appropriate arguments, which imo only obviously, is preferable to applying epithets.

Rafa said:

And I think it is....stupid it is.

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Why are you attempting to impersonate Yoda?

Arrabbiata1 said:

Why are you attempting to impersonate Yoda?

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Yoda-esque patience one needs for a Motogp weekend/testing

michaelm said:

Since you have raised the question I think it is stupid to call people stupid because you disagree with their opinion.

You can have whatever opinion you like as far as I am concerned, and I will dispute it if I disagree with it and can come up with appropriate arguments, which imo only obviously, is preferable to applying epithets.

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Well given your incoherent sentence I thought I will clarify. What an irony. You're protesting to my of interaction and then using the same against me. Can you find the irony in it..stupid?

Ducati won't be testing with Stoner this weekend.

Ducati has been forced to cancel its planned private test with Casey Stoner in Qatar.

The retired double world champion had been due to take part in his second test since returning to Ducati, on Sunday and Monday (March 6-7).

But the MotoGP rules state: “Test riders may test at any circuit, at any time, using only their team's Test Tyre Allocation. Tests are not permitted within the 14 days before a GP event at a circuit unless authorised by Race Direction.”

The season-opening race is being held at the same Losail circuit on March 20 and Ducati appeared to believe the 14-day ban referred to the date of the race. However the 'event' is defined as starting on the day of Technical and Sporting controls, meaning the Thursday.

The door was still open for Ducati to seek authorisation from Race Direction. However this would have resulted in protests from other manufacturers had it been granted and the Italian factory has been left with no choice but to cancel the test.

Rumours about Stoner's test emerged yesterday and Ducati announced the decision to cancel this afternoon in Qatar, confirming toCrash.net: “Our scheduled test on 6-7 is now off, the rules are clear on this matter. Unfortunately we misunderstood the situation regarding the dates.”

It also seems there is no chance of sending Stoner out on track in this evening's final night of official testing instead: “There is no intention and never has been any intention for him to ride today.”

The 14-day ban only applies to private tests and not official tests, as currently underway in Qatar, since these are open to all competitors. The purpose of the ban is to stop teams booking out circuits for their exclusive use on the days leading up to GP weekends.

Stoner was the fastest Ducati rider on the final day of last month's official Sepang test, where he rode a Desmosedici for the first time since 2010. The Australian had been due to make his debut on the new 2016 machine in Qatar, having used the GP15 in Malaysia.

Read more at Crash.Net | F1 & MotoGP | Motorsport News

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Rafa said:

Well given your incoherent sentence I thought I will clarify. What an irony. You're protesting to my of interaction and then using the same against me. Can you find the irony in it..stupid?

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I could see the irony obviously, hence "since you raised the question", clearly implying I feel less restrained once someone else starts the argumentum ad hominem, but even then the irony is considerably less than that involved in you accusing others of incoherent sentences, or indeed as the centrepoint of a post deploring a putative recent "War of Words" on here calling another poster "stupid".

michaelm said:

I could see the irony obviously, hence "since you raised the question", clearly implying I feel less restrained once someone else starts the argumentum ad hominem, but even then the irony is considerably less than that involved in you accusing others of incoherent sentences, or indeed as the centrepoint of a post deploring a putative recent "War of Words" on here calling another poster "stupid".

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Alright. I agree with you. In the pecking order of irony, my blaming for incoherent sentences would place higher than that of your approach to defile me for "insulting" others. There is no irony in it. Absolutely not.

p4p1 said:

Fair enough then .... it, I don't think Michelin is trustworthy from what I've read from Stoner in his books, here on the forum and even Rossi has said something about 2006 the tyres not feeling good. I think that DORNA is motivated by money rather than fair play and there is more money for them when Rossi is in the box seat for a championship. I think Honda knowing that Marquez is now the yellow army's public enemy number one are smart to sand bag given they've had a dominant rider in testeng to have the rug lulled form under them with rule changes. I'm not saying that they're definite doing that because I think there could genuinely be problems with the bike possibly stemming from Honda engineering or just as likely Marquez not being good at developing a bike. I guess I'm just worried that this year could turn into the Rossi show because of how he was 'robbed' of title number 10 last year and as I've learnt largely a level playing field in Motorsport is just an illusion. Maybe I'm insane I don't know.

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You may be correct. In fact if youre correct about sand bagging, it could have been that in Phillip Island and Sepang, MM sand-bagged for certain reasons..may be not? For people like us who watch it from the other side of the screen can only speculate and hypothesize. But yeah..this can be a good theory. Underdog story works better.

michaelm said:

I could see the irony obviously, hence "since you raised the question", clearly implying I feel less restrained once someone else starts the argumentum ad hominem, but even then the irony is considerably less than that involved in you accusing others of incoherent sentences, or indeed as the centrepoint of a post deploring a putative recent "War of Words" on here calling another poster "stupid".

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Longest sentence competition.

Rafa said:

Alright. I agree with you. In the pecking order of irony, my blaming for incoherent sentences would place higher than that of your approach to defile me for "insulting" others. There is no irony in it. Absolutely not.

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As I said, you can obviously have whatever opinion you like, and if you can argue your opinion better than I can mine, or the original poster his, more power to you, and I myself also don't have much problem with being insulted personally on a forum such as this if you choose to do so.

I guess it is intellectual conceit, but I have a personal distaste for both argumentum ad hominem being regarded as at all valid as a debating technique, and for opinions being judged stupid purely on the basis of being different from yours/one's own.

Dr No said:

Longest sentence competition.

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I can and have easily beaten that. I read Dickens as a child.

So far Marc is chillin at the top...let's see for how long.

And Vinales is back at the top sitting right behind him in 2nd.

Stunned at his and the Suzuki's performance thus far.

iannone. mah boy!