Joined Jan 2011
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The North!
I dare not say what is going through mt mind and what my hopes are.
Yep! Too late! Not sayin owt! dunt want t jinx lad:ninja:
I dare not say what is going through mt mind and what my hopes are.
Yep! Too late! Not sayin owt! dunt want t jinx lad:ninja:
Joined Oct 2008
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In Cider
Krops, I was away over the weekend and am only just catching up today, but just wanted to say thanks for the testing article you posted with information on race simulations, projected time etc, a thoroughly interesting read and just the sort of nitty gritty I love.
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/03/05/2016_qatar_motogp_test_friday_round_up_l.html
So, will you be putting a wager that the podium will mirror the Qatar test race simulation of Marquez, Lorenzo and Redding?...Will be an interesting race!
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/03/05/2016_qatar_motogp_test_friday_round_up_l.html
So, will you be putting a wager that the podium will mirror the Qatar test race simulation of Marquez, Lorenzo and Redding?...Will be an interesting race!
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Hurricane, WV
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NJ
This to me is very disconcerting...
It's the way of the world now in motorsports, but if ever there was a strong case for a total ban on electronics, this would be the easiest way to justify it.
All the influx of electronics did was allow works teams to put a massive gap between them and everyone else.
It's the way of the world now in motorsports, but if ever there was a strong case for a total ban on electronics, this would be the easiest way to justify it.
All the influx of electronics did was allow works teams to put a massive gap between them and everyone else.
Yes "control" electronics rather than bespoke ones, so throw more computer techs at them, who were already the biggest expense with the bespoke electronics.
It may be advantage Yamaha over Honda at this stage, they have often worked smarter than Honda, and Ducati might be relatively advantaged as well particularly since they had the opportunity to try more things last year, so if there is at least more parity between manufacturers if not between factory and satellite bikes that might something of a plus.
(EDIT Both Yamaha and Ducati are previous Magnetti Marelli users anyway, which I had forgotten, so further advantage Yamaha. I might have to go for MM after all.)
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Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
By the end of this season we'll probably starting seeing a gap open once Yamaha and Honda have enough data to understand how to start maximizing use of the ECU. Having an army of computer techs to handle this means it is only a matter of time before they come to grips with this fully.
Honda's biggest issue IMO is not that they haven't gotten to grips with the ECU, but that the RCV is physically demanding, and it doesn't bode well for Dani Pedrosa. Marc Marquez will be fine, and if anything the physicality should make him a better overall rider since he'll be able to learn a lot of finesse and touch. Dani on the other hand given his endless ailments and early unhappiness with the RCV is going to make for a tough 2016 campaign on that side of the garage. We still have time for them to get the bike in better shape for the grand prix, but I'd be wary if it's a one-off fix based on the enormous amount of testing data from Losail, and doesn't carry into round 2 at Argentina.
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Crab Key
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Mike makes a great point about involving more resources to a 'dumber' ECU. Honda's problem is that even last year with the NASA electronics they had difficulty taming the RCV, now they may double the tech but the ECU is still the 'dumber' one. This doesn't bode well for their season.
One thing I have learned about Honda is they trade horses the best of all the manufacturers. Tire? Marquez: undecided. Rosie: undecided. Ever seen the TV show, let's make a deal?
Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
Me personally, I'd rather see traction control, launch control, wheelie control, all eliminated.
Engine braking and power delivery should be severely curtailed. Let it be determined by how the engine is designed and built rather than throwing together an engine that might be ghastly, but becomes immensely rideable due to smart programming. There should be more focus on the engineering of the engine rather than having the bailout option of electronics.
Watching Wayne Rainey go wide open throttle popping a wheelie out of a corner without letting off on 500cc's, was disgusting to watch. It showed if you were willing to let it all out, you could out-accelerate anyone. 250HP on a modern GP machine sounds great, but what does it really mean?
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
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NJ
You think the masses really know or give a ....? Come on dude, the only people who give a .... about the electronics are the teams and the riders.
You can't see a lap time simply by watching.
Just say they brought 2-strokes back tomorrow and banned all electronics, most fans would not care. Sure you'd have people bitching, but the 2-stroke era overall has been far superior to the 4-stroke era. If there is competitiveness up and down the grid, that will trump any loss of technology.
Also, Nakamoto already said the unified ECU is where Honda was at 10 years ago...this is not some great leap forward in technology. They've gone backwards.
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
Not sure if it was before you arrived, but I went out of my way a while back to show that without a doubt, racing was much much closer in the 4 stroke era compared to the 2 stroke era. It wasn't even close. Can you see the difference in 5 seconds a lap and 25 mph speeds? I can
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Your Mom's House
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NJ
When you say closer, do you mean in terms of gaps between riders, overtakes, something else?
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Siebenbürgen süße Heimat!
Was referring to the KTM duke, the 1 cyl sumo/naked bike thingy.
Ah the madass...my little mofati. You got rid of yours?
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
Yeah mine is gone. Got it really suped up but no way to run it w exposed air filter on rainy days. Loved it tho. Got me a DRZ400sm. Fun and bulletproof.
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