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Its never about the racing. Watch this thread post race. 10 pages will discuss the race while another 30 will be about bashing Rossi and victimizing a rider long since retired.
I'll be watching the racing for the future, not the past. Cant wait to see if the Alien bike can give birth to another mythological space creature

Except the poster who brought up that long retired rider in this current race thread was you.

I was a big Mick Doohan fan, and he has been retired for 18 years. Does that, or having been a Lawson fan who has been retired for even longer, also disqualify people from posting currently?
 
Except the poster who brought up that long retired rider in this current race thread was you.

I was a big Mick Doohan fan, and he has been retired for 18 years. Does that, or having been a Lawson fan who has been retired for even longer, also disqualify people from posting currently?
Was it Stoner? I thought we/he/someone was bitching about Stoner fans. It's so confusing when everyone is hating different riders. I just wish we would all agree on one rider PER WEEK to hate. Let's not have one for the whole year, please. That is more involved commitment than I can stand at this point in my life. Although, some Rossi fans can push me to the ragged edge of sensibility and I start screaming in my Simoncelli helmet, (which I wear every time that I post), to STFU. I loved me some Doohan, too. Like Stoner, he did things that his competition could not accomplish.
It's raining!

Alpinestars fb posted a photo of the rain ca
Say it is not so. The first race on the most arid track and we are going to get the French tire revolution, again. "Off with their treads. Da' fools can race on the carcass. That is what they are there for, you ignorant tire philistines".
 
Except the poster who brought up that long retired rider in this current race thread was you.

I was a big Mick Doohan fan, and he has been retired for 18 years. Does that, or having been a Lawson fan who has been retired for even longer, also disqualify people from posting currently?

Yes, because you are olde! :eek:

Make way for the new. Millennials rule dude! :punk:
 
I can assume that the Duke had some front end issues

Jorge giving an indication
Serious ones and Redding's wasn't the worst of it. Take a look at Petrucci's crash midway through FP3. It was like his front tyre was passing over a rumble strip before it slid out completely.

Given his whisper smooth style refined over many years, Lorenzo has done a solid job on the Ducati that was jumping and kicking. But he's still got a mountain to climb and the future doesn't look too bright.

Meanwhile Ianonne spurred his Suzuki to second but he's still got major issues. According to Dylan Grey (I think) he's been trying to replicate Vinales' method of braking smoothly in a straight line turning wide and carrying the corner speed (Ianonne's style of breaking while banked apparently didn't work too well with GSX-RR).

I just keep wishing Lorenzo had left Yamaha for Suzuki instead (preferably along with Pedrosa).
 
Serious ones and Redding's wasn't the worst of it. Take a look at Petrucci's crash midway through FP3. It was like his front tyre was passing over a rumble strip before it slid out completely.

Given his whisper smooth style refined over many years, Lorenzo has done a solid job on the Ducati that was jumping and kicking. But he's still got a mountain to climb and the future doesn't look too bright.

Meanwhile Ianonne spurred his Suzuki to second but he's still got major issues. According to Dylan Grey (I think) he's been trying to replicate Vinales' method of braking smoothly in a straight line turning wide and carrying the corner speed (Ianonne's style of breaking while banked apparently didn't work too well with GSX-RR).

I just keep wishing Lorenzo had left Yamaha for Suzuki instead (preferably along with Pedrosa).
Absolutely the bike would have suited his style much more I agree.

I doubt the money would have though.
 
Lorenzo for the win? Houston we have a problem. Where's the bloody rider coach? How about they put the coach in JLos suit and send him out instead?
 
Serious ones and Redding's wasn't the worst of it. Take a look at Petrucci's crash midway through FP3. It was like his front tyre was passing over a rumble strip before it slid out completely.

Given his whisper smooth style refined over many years, Lorenzo has done a solid job on the Ducati that was jumping and kicking. But he's still got a mountain to climb and the future doesn't look too bright.

Meanwhile Ianonne spurred his Suzuki to second but he's still got major issues. According to Dylan Grey (I think) he's been trying to replicate Vinales' method of braking smoothly in a straight line turning wide and carrying the corner speed (Ianonne's style of breaking while banked apparently didn't work too well with GSX-RR).

I just keep wishing Lorenzo had left Yamaha for Suzuki instead (preferably along with Pedrosa).

I'm with you there. Why oh why has Ducati been chasing Lorenzo since 2009? Why would they dump Ianonne, who's aggressive deep braking style is taylor made for the Ducati, not the Suzuki? Oh well maybe they can swap in a couple years time.
 
Btw I saw Lorenzo sitting there in the pits deep in thought and I was able to read his mind and this is what he was thinking:

'.... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....!'

All in Spanish of course I just translated it for 'all you guys'.
 
Serious ones and Redding's wasn't the worst of it. Take a look at Petrucci's crash midway through FP3. It was like his front tyre was passing over a rumble strip before it slid out completely.

Given his whisper smooth style refined over many years, Lorenzo has done a solid job on the Ducati that was jumping and kicking. But he's still got a mountain to climb and the future doesn't look too bright.

Meanwhile Ianonne spurred his Suzuki to second but he's still got major issues. According to Dylan Grey (I think) he's been trying to replicate Vinales' method of braking smoothly in a straight line turning wide and carrying the corner speed (Ianonne's style of breaking while banked apparently didn't work too well with GSX-RR).

I just keep wishing Lorenzo had left Yamaha for Suzuki instead (preferably along with Pedrosa).

Perhaps the 6 winglets Ducati was running last year was a band-aid for exactly this sort of front end chatter.

For me it's too early to say Lorenzo's future with Ducati doesn't look too bright. Lorenzo is doing his job, it's now up to Ducati's engineers to do theirs and I have confidence they'll find a solution.
 
....... Lorenzo.

Doesn't he know real men try even with brake issues? What a quitter.

Real men don't even need front brakes...

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Actually, that's not far away from his race setting.

Lorenzo seems to be pretty rigid in his style and doesn't come across as someone who adapts to changes quickly, but the guy has immense determination and focus. It may take him some time to get his head around the new bike but when he does I think he will get some really strong results. I could see his frustrations with the bike while talking to his crew during FP2, hopefully he doesn't let it beat his spirits.

I'm really surprised about Iannone, he looked really strong on the Suzuki at the initial Valencia test, but he seems to be going backwards instead of improving with the bike.

There are lots of satellite teams up the top of the time sheets like Pramac and Tech 3 outdoing the factories although Its still only early days, many of the teams are still sorting the bikes and things could change up quite a bit by the time they get to Jerez.

Unlike his predecessor, Lorenzo likes a long bike...but then so does Dovi. How this affects the Desmo since it had it's wings clipped is entirely in the realms of conjecture. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that we've seen the introduction of a mass damper in the tail section - (I'm sure that's what it is) - to reduce pumping on both.

I recall the big change with the Bridgestones was loading characteristics and the rear wheel sat so far forward. Wasn't Briggs fabled breakthrough for Rossi something ridiculous like 25-30mm adjustment on the swinging arm? Consequently the head angle and offset was way out there to compensate, which is something that massively suited Jorge. You'd expected with the reintroduction of the Michelins for this to have been immediately redressed - but it wasn't...well not by much anyway. The neutral feel - or lack of it on Lorenzo's setting - is unthinkable to most riders. However, with the change to the wets last season, Lorenzo has had zero feel perhaps exacerbated by his extreme rake and the excessively hard front wet which came into play at Assen last year. All the riders criticised this - but to Dovi and in particular Jorge, the lack of feedback must have been horrendous.

We are repeatedly informed from an armchair in Texas however, he wasn't trying and it was entirely 'psychological'.
 
Actually, that's not far away from his race setting.



Unlike his predecessor, Lorenzo likes a long bike...but then so does Dovi. How this affects the Desmo since it had it's wings clipped is entirely in the realms of conjecture. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that we've seen the introduction of a mass damper in the tail section - (I'm sure that's what it is) - to reduce pumping on both.

I recall the big change with the Bridgestones was loading characteristics and the rear wheel sat so far forward. Wasn't Briggs fabled breakthrough for Rossi something ridiculous like 25-30mm adjustment on the swinging arm? Consequently the head angle and offset was way out there to compensate, which is something that massively suited Jorge. You'd expected with the reintroduction of the Michelins for this to have been immediately redressed - but it wasn't...well not by much anyway. The neutral feel - or lack of it on Lorenzo's setting - is unthinkable to most riders. However, with the change to the wets last season, Lorenzo has had zero feel perhaps exacerbated by his extreme rake and the excessively hard front wet which came into play at Assen last year. All the riders criticised this - but to Dovi and in particular Jorge, the lack of feedback must have been horrendous.

We are repeatedly informed from an armchair in Texas however, he wasn't trying and it was entirely 'psychological'.

Even though it hasn't been mentioned anywhere to my knowledge, I'm wondering if the technical side of the Ducati development might be why they ultimately were willing to jettison Iannone in favor of Dovizioso. I know I've said out here that I thought Dovi was never going to be that guy, but the more I've been thinking about it, I think it was a smart move on Ducati's part to keep Dovi since the only other option won't come out of retirement. Losail is a Ducati circuit, but I found Dovi's performance encouraging through the Free Practice sessions, and he has the best understanding of the Desmosedici at this point of any rider on the grid. Perhaps more important from Ducati's perspective, he will bring the bike home consistently in a race. If he crashes it's not going to be due to overriding the bike the way Iannone was.

With the Michelin's do you think shortening up the wheelbase would be more conducive than the route they are going with the mass damper in the tail, or is it going to take a combination of working on the right wheelbase length and mass damper settings to try and get the bike to settle down?

I thought Ducati was going to roll out their new fairing for Losail, but it looks like they must still have more wind tunnel analysis to do.
 
With the Michelin's do you think shortening up the wheelbase would be more conducive than the route they are going with the mass damper in the tail, or is it going to take a combination of working on the right wheelbase length and mass damper settings to try and get the bike to settle down?
Well firstly, we don't know for certain that the ugly box like rear is actually a mass damper. They seem to be convinced on BT although have also speculated that it may house the electronics having relocated them from under the fake tank cowl. From everything that I've read, I suspect that it is the former. In answer to your question, I have no idea. Having cured the chronic understeer that afflicted the bike for so many years I rather suspect that Lorenzo's unorthodox preferences may present some new challenges. Perhaps it is about finding compromise, but we know that the extreme rake at the front is one of the factors that makes Jorge happy and when he's happy he's fast. But it also makes him vulnerable to the lack of feel often associated with a harder compound.
 
It might not be a mass damper yes, but I think whatever is in there is mass-damping related. Even if it were just a relocation of electronics, if it's of a sufficient weight, it can have a mass dampening effect on the bike. Guess we will just have to wait and see if anything ever is revealed.

During the FP1 session at one point when Lorenzo was in the garage after a run he was talking with the engineers and made a jerky motion in what I believe was reference to the bike being leaned over. I'm thinking that was likely front end chatter complaints. I guess depending on how bad and in how many corners it's occurring, maybe they haven't got the front damper balance down in a way that helps Lorenzo without turning the bike into an understeer bike. It's going to be fascinating to see if they are able to make progress with Lorenzo and have him in a much better position to deliver results at the halfway point. For our sake I hope they do as him being in the mix at the front is good for racing.
 
During the FP1 session at one point when Lorenzo was in the garage after a run he was talking with the engineers and made a jerky motion in what I believe was reference to the bike being leaned over. I'm thinking that was likely front end chatter complaints. I guess depending on how bad and in how many corners it's occurring, maybe they haven't got the front damper balance down in a way that helps Lorenzo without turning the bike into an understeer bike. It's going to be fascinating to see if they are able to make progress with Lorenzo and have him in a much better position to deliver results at the halfway point. For our sake I hope they do as him being in the mix at the front is good for racing.

Seeing Petrucci's chatter induced crash leads me to agree with this.
 
MotoGP extra practice has been cancelled as the track is considered dry with wet places, and not fully wet enough for a "wet weather evaluation"
 
Lorenzo for the win? Houston we have a problem. Where's the bloody rider coach? How about they put the coach in JLos suit and send him out instead?

If he's waiting for that ........ old fart biaggi, he might as well quit.
 

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