Predictions: Where will Zarco go next?

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Thick skull gang strikes again.

You obviously don’t understand what I said and jumped at the chance of getting outraged. The point was not whether they are currently only hundredths away, but that to win, you need to make improvements in the hundredths, which takes exponentially more time and effort than seconds or tenths.

Now go read another ...... tabloid.

If they are still looking for hundreths 3 years into project when you are 1 1/2 seconds down, you are pissing money down the drain.
 
If they are still looking for hundreths 3 years into project when you are 1 1/2 seconds down, you are pissing money down the drain.

They were at weird tracks and their most competent rider (kallio) is sitting at home, twiddling his thumbs.

I would wait until the euro rounds, especially one where all three bikes are on the grid to judge more fairly where they stand.
 
They were at weird tracks and their most competent rider (kallio) is sitting at home, twiddling his thumbs.

I would wait until the euro rounds, especially one where all three bikes are on the grid to judge more fairly where they stand.

Sure, I wouldn't underestimate what either KTM or Red Bull can do, up to and including making Gigi, or whomever else, an offer he can't refuse, etc. They hired Adrian Newey in F1.
 
They were at weird tracks and their most competent rider (kallio) is sitting at home, twiddling his thumbs.

I would wait until the euro rounds, especially one where all three bikes are on the grid to judge more fairly where they stand.
Agreed. Doesn't Kalio have 5 races this year?
It's weird, the UK commentators are very protective of Brad, (which I understand) but unfortunately, the empirical evidence of Kalio's results are pretty unavoidable.
I will however avoid judgement until I see how he does on the 18 bike.
 
Kallio was pretty decent on the pramac Ducati back when he had a race seat.
Such a shame they didn’t replace Dudley Smith with him.
 
If Riccardo is demanding $66m from Red Bull I'm sure Red Bull KTM can afford whoever they want.
 
If Riccardo is demanding $66m from Red Bull I'm sure Red Bull KTM can afford whoever they want.

It would seem he has them over a barrel.

From my admittedly biased perspective they are looking as though they are reconsidering a previous decision to go with Verstappen.
 
It would seem he has them over a barrel.

From my admittedly biased perspective they are looking as though they are reconsidering a previous decision to go with Verstappen.

I don't follow f1 closely but I would love to see Ricciardo on a championship capable machine. I still remember when he thrashed all the other f1 drivers on top gears reasonably priced car.
 
Last few hundreths? Are you ....... kidding, they aren’t even into those last few tenths, they are still wayyyy over a second slower in race pace and ‘‘this is the third year. Before any one says it’s only been two years, they started ‘tis project a year before they went racing. KTM has hit a wall and Zarco is not going to be the difference. They will show improvement with Zarco but nowhere near enough to have them fighting for top 7-8 .

I don't know, but my thinking is that the only reason the KTM is 1 second off pace is the inability of its 2 current riders to give any real feedback to the team.I'd like the other rider to be Miguel Olivera.
 
Sure, I wouldn't underestimate what either KTM or Red Bull can do, up to and including making Gigi, or whomever else, an offer he can't refuse, etc. They hired Adrian Newey in F1.

Adrian Newey works best when he has stable platforms to work with such as the championship winning cars of 2010-2013. Frozen development on the V8 engines did wonders for providing that stable platform. Excellent aero guy, but his cars have also been noted for their fragility such as the 2005 McLaren MP4/20 which was the fastest car on the grid, but plagued by unreliability issues that ultimately cost them a real shot at the title that year. The car was so fast Kimi Raikkonen took victory at Suzuka after starting 17th on the grid.
 
I think Kallio gets his first ride of the season next weekend at Jerez, and I wouldn't be surprised if he can get that bike into Q2
 
Adrian Newey works best when he has stable platforms to work with such as the championship winning cars of 2010-2013. Frozen development on the V8 engines did wonders for providing that stable platform. Excellent aero guy, but his cars have also been noted for their fragility such as the 2005 McLaren MP4/20 which was the fastest car on the grid, but plagued by unreliability issues that ultimately cost them a real shot at the title that year. The car was so fast Kimi Raikkonen took victory at Suzuka after starting 17th on the grid.

Sure, my point was more that Red Bull went out and got the perceived top guy who brought them success back then.
 
Sure, my point was more that Red Bull went out and got the perceived top guy who brought them success back then.

There was talk he left McLaren because of the management style at the team, a problem that still persists to this day. He goes where he has autonomy to develop race cars. He also left Williams F1 because he wanted a share of ownership in the team that Frank Williams refused to give. Frank said that was the biggest mistake he ever made; letting Adrian Newey walk over that.
 
Zarco to KTM is definitely what KTM need. They have a history in the lower classes of a rider bringing them up to a good place. Eg. Miller in the tiddlers. Binder too.

Didnt Stoner get them their first GP win?

Would be great to see Zarco get KTM up to speed. It just seems such a big call atm.
 
I will say the same thing about Zarco that I did before Crutchlow went to Ducati. TAKE THE DAMN MONEY. You don't know what will happen next. IT'S RACING. It is very uncertain. Cal got the big money to put away for his family and then he got a better bike for him. How could it get any better, unless you have the talent of MM or the agent of MV?

I thought Zarco should have been in MotoGP before some of the current bench warmers. Now that he is here, at his age, he had better collect some dough, unless he is a maxillofacial specialist that we haven't heard about. "Show me the money." (Jerry Maguire)
 
I will say the same thing about Zarco that I did before Crutchlow went to Ducati. TAKE THE DAMN MONEY. You don't know what will happen next. IT'S RACING. It is very uncertain. Cal got the big money to put away for his family and then he got a better bike for him. How could it get any better, unless you have the talent of MM or the agent of MV?

I thought Zarco should have been in MotoGP before some of the current bench warmers. Now that he is here, at his age, he had better collect some dough, unless he is a maxillofacial specialist that we haven't heard about. "Show me the money." (Jerry Maguire)

it's not like Honda would pay him peanuts...
 
it's not like Honda would pay him peanuts...
That's why I said, I'd be intrigued to learn what the difference in offer was monetarily. I can imagine the difference being dramatically skewed. Honda's offer comes with the caveat that they're presenting you with a race winner from day one, and the staff, prestige, budget, and tradition to make it happen. KTM on the other hand comes with the caveat that you're presented with a dream of being competitive far into the indefinite future, if ever, think KawasakiGP, but for the present, outside the top 15, Q1, no points on a good day, crashing and mechanicals on a bad day. Granted, the compensation for that must be higher, how much higher?

Edit to add, speaking of KwakerGP, Hopper took the money and ran.....straight to the hospital.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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That's why I said, I'd be intrigued to learn what the difference in offer was monetarily. I can imagine the difference being dramatically skewed? Honda's offer comes with the caveat that they're presenting you with a race winner from day one, and the staff, prestige, budget, and tradition to make it happen. KTM on the other hand comes with the caveat that you're presented with a dream of being competitive far into the indefinite future, but for the present, outside the top 15, Q1, no points on a good day, crashing and mechanicals on a bad day. Granted, the compensation for that must be higher, how much higher?

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

His only chance of winning a title would be if MM got injured though. Might be better than no chance with KTM, but I would not necessarily give Red Bull and KTM no chance of coming up with something one year out of say 4 or 5, Red Bull's F1 team beat Ferrari and Mercedes, and Ducati have managed to beat Honda in motoGP.
 
His only chance of winning a title would be if MM got injured though. Might be better than no chance with KTM, but I would not necessarily give Red Bull and KTM no chance of coming up with something one year out of say 4 or 5, Red Bull's F1 team beat Ferrari and Mercedes, and Ducati have managed to beat Honda in motoGP.
That's actually a possibility every single time Marc takes the track. I cringe at every crash because I still painfully aware what can happen on some unsuspecting day in a totally unsuspecting crash. Marc's crash rate is only matched and often surpassed by Crutchlow. That's a lot of crashing, and a lot of bullet dodging I'm afraid.

That's exactly what Rossi is banking on, that Marc will get injured (I'm not saying he hopes, but at this stage in his rage, I wouldn't doubt it). It's practically as I've said often, a 1:3 proposition for VR to win. There are 4.5 bikes that can reasonably win the title, the question for me is always, who cannot win the championship. Zarco on a RCV factory works bike and team would have been 1:4 chance from the git go.

On KTM, the chances are 5000 to 1.





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