Predictions: Where will Zarco go next?

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Jumkie said:
That's actually a possibility every single time Marc takes the track. I cringe at every crash because I still painfully aware what can happen on some unsuspecting day in a totally unsuspecting crash. Marc's crash rate is only matched and often surpassed by Crutchlow. That's a lot of crashing, and a lot of bullet dodging I'm afraid.

That's exactly what Rossi is banking on, that Marc will get injured (I'm not saying he hopes, but at this stage in his rage, I wouldn't doubt it). It's practically as I've said often, a 1:3 proposition for VR to win. There are 4.5 bikes that can reasonably win the title, the question for me is always, who cannot win the championship. Zarco on a RCV factory works bike and team would have been 1:4 chance from the git go.

On KTM, the chances are 5000 to 1.





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If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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Not something I should have raised I guess, but while MM has had massive crashes in the past, he doesn't so much now, and seems to know what he is doing when exploring the limits in practice.
 
michaelm said:
Not something I should have raised I guess, but while MM has had massive crashes in the past, he doesn't so much now, and seems to know what he is doing when exploring the limits in practice.
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This is decidedly the minority opinion. You'd think he's been on a murder spree from what I've been reading on the Internet machine the world over.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Jumkie said:
That's actually a possibility every single time Marc takes the track. I cringe at every crash because I still painfully aware what can happen on some unsuspecting day in a totally unsuspecting crash. Marc's crash rate is only matched and often surpassed by Crutchlow. That's a lot of crashing, and a lot of bullet dodging I'm afraid.

That's exactly what Rossi is banking on, that Marc will get injured (I'm not saying he hopes, but at this stage in his rage, I wouldn't doubt it). It's practically as I've said often, a 1:3 proposition for VR to win. There are 4.5 bikes that can reasonably win the title, the question for me is always, who cannot win the championship. Zarco on a RCV factory works bike and team would have been 1:4 chance from the git go.

On KTM, the chances are 5000 to 1.





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If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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I have a theory that MM pushes the Michelin front over the limit in the FP sessions to test the consistency of the tire. His crashes are all lowsides for the most part save that Silverstone high side last year. Since everyone else is not going to risk going down, it gives him an advantage with knowing where and what to look for on any given race weekend with the Michelin front, which was an absolute .... tire from the get go. I also don't believe their tires are consistent weekend to weekend as a way to try and mix things up if possible. So that leaves him spending FP sessions pushing to the edge of adhesion, or over it just to see what Michelin has brought that weekend.

Agree with the odds of Zarco ever winning on the KTM. He probably has a nice fat paycheck coming, but it tells you everything about his real desire to win. He's soft in my book because no one who wants to win would pass up a 1:4 chance on a factory RCV. Sure he'll be better than what they have currently, but he will be fighting for 7th or 8th at best. The RCV would have put him right at the front where a win would have been inevitable. If the midget can reel off a win or two a year on a bike not suited for his size, imagine Zarco riding it? Sure it's MM's team as it should be. He's won 4 of the last 5 world titles, he's earned the team being on his side. Zarco hasn't won ..... Go out there and prove it and you will get the one side of the garage working harder for you.
 
JPSLotus said:
I have a theory that MM pushes the Michelin front over the limit in the FP sessions to test the consistency of the tire. ....

Agree with the odds of Zarco ever winning on the KTM. ....
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That's a hell of a strategy, and a highly risky one. I don’t disagree that he's pushing the limit during practice, but that's playing Russian Roulette.

Zarco was like a guy at the bar, with the prospect of going home with a fine chick or a fat ugly chick. The fine chick wanted his keys, credit card, and a percentage of all future earnings, because we'll she's fine. The fat one promised endless daily blow jobs, because well, she's fat and ugly.


If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Jumkie said:
That's a hell of a strategy, and a highly risky one. I don’t disagree that he's pushing the limit during practice, but that's playing Russian Roulette.

Zarco was like a guy at the bar, with the prospect of going home with a fine chick or a fat ugly chick. The fine chick wanted his keys, credit card, and a percentage of all future earnings, because we'll she's fine. The fat one promised endless daily blow jobs, because well, she's fat and ugly.


If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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He seems to know how to fall properly, not saying .... can't go wrong, but it's as if he minimizes the risk of going down. His crash at COTA, he went right on his back to prevent any tumbling. The only crash that I think did a little damage was the Silverstone high side as he looked to be hurting somewhat from that. But all that being said, he can ride on a limit no one else can and I believe that's what pushing the bike to crash is all about. He crashes with purpose. Cuntslow crashes because he is a ....... moron.

Hahahaha I like that Zarco analogy. It's perfect. I think that's literally going to go down as one of the stupidest moves in recent history besides Lorenzo going to Ducati, albeit he was running from the cancer on the other side of the garage.
 
JPSLotus said:
He seems to know how to fall properly, not saying .... can't go wrong, but it's as if he minimizes the risk of going down. His crash at COTA, he went right on his back to prevent any tumbling. The only crash that I think did a little damage was the Silverstone high side as he looked to be hurting somewhat from that. But all that being said, he can ride on a limit no one else can and I believe that's what pushing the bike to crash is all about. He crashes with purpose. Cuntslow crashes because he is a ....... moron.

Hahahaha I like that Zarco analogy. It's perfect. I think that's literally going to go down as one of the stupidest moves in recent history besides Lorenzo going to Ducati, albeit he was running from the cancer on the other side of the garage.
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Agree with first part, though regarding Zarco, I really would like to know the difference in money on the table.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
So reading these last two pages I'm assuming Zarco signed for KTM? Correct? I haven't read any official releases stating so.
 
JPSLotus said:
I have a theory that MM pushes the Michelin front over the limit in the FP sessions to test the consistency of the tire. His crashes are all lowsides for the most part save that Silverstone high side last year. Since everyone else is not going to risk going down, it gives him an advantage with knowing where and what to look for on any given race weekend with the Michelin front, which was an absolute .... tire from the get go. I also don't believe their tires are consistent weekend to weekend as a way to try and mix things up if possible. So that leaves him spending FP sessions pushing to the edge of adhesion, or over it just to see what Michelin has brought that weekend.
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Absolutely.
If everyone else is doing badly on the Honda, but Marc is winning the title and crashing 27 times in a season, it his willingness and ability to push the envelope that leads to his success.
With the Honda seeming to be better this year, there will probably be a drop in his crash numbers.
 
I don't think Zarco has made a mistake, he certainly would have going to Honda as MM is not a smooth rider and the bike suits him, in fact I'd stick my neck out and say that if he had gone to Honda, he would never have the chance of a championship win.
 
JPSLotus said:
He seems to know how to fall properly, not saying .... can't go wrong, but it's as if he minimizes the risk of going down. His crash at COTA, he went right on his back to prevent any tumbling. The only crash that I think did a little damage was the Silverstone high side as he looked to be hurting somewhat from that. But all that being said, he can ride on a limit no one else can and I believe that's what pushing the bike to crash is all about. He crashes with purpose. Cuntslow crashes because he is a ....... moron.

Hahahaha I like that Zarco analogy. It's perfect. I think that's literally going to go down as one of the stupidest moves in recent history besides Lorenzo going to Ducati, albeit he was running from the cancer on the other side of the garage.
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Which can be problematic if he gets too much distance between him and a realistic sense of possible consequence. I of course draw no parallel between MM and a so so club rider, but I remember one weekend where all practices and race were run in the rain at Loudon. I was with a bunch of Irish friends who were pushing me to ride harder in the rain and I kept crashing in the same two turns, and getting up unharmed and I got way overconfident and had a crazy high-side that trashed the bike, tho I walked away again uninjured. My confidence was at an all time high. Point being - I think all riders have to be in a state of denial about the possibility of injury, otherwise they'd be in too much fear to ride.
 
Theo said:
I don't think Zarco has made a mistake, he certainly would have going to Honda as MM is not a smooth rider and the bike suits him, in fact I'd stick my neck out and say that if he had gone to Honda, he would never have the chance of a championship win.
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Weird... this morning I woke up remembering a post by Povol talking about how riders are likely not as motivated by winning as we'd like to imagine, and more motivated by the Benjamins. And I'm starting to think he's right. I used to write for various publications and tried to make a career of it. In the beginning I got a lot of satisfaction at seeing my stuff in print - but after a while it didn't matter as much because I really wanted the bucks to validate the value of what I did. I'm sure a lot of these guys are really idealistic when they start out - but when they get to the top of the heap in Moto GP - they know there's no further they can go and there's only so many good years and always the specter of life-defining injury that can put an end to it at any time. So - .... it, why not take the money and run?
 
Keshav said:
Weird... this morning I woke up remembering a post by Povol talking about how riders are likely not as motivated by winning as we'd like to imagine, and more motivated by the Benjamins. And I'm starting to think he's right. I used to write for various publications and tried to make a career of it. In the beginning I got a lot of satisfaction at seeing my stuff in print - but after a while it didn't matter as much because I really wanted the bucks to validate the value of what I did. I'm sure a lot of these guys are really idealistic when they start out - but when they get to the top of the heap in Moto GP - they know there's no further they can go and there's only so many good years and always the specter of life-defining injury that can put an end to it at any time.
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Absolutely, mate.
You see it in other sports, those who chase the money and those who want to build their legacy, for the latter money is not of importance.
You see it in the UFC, since the advent of Conor McGregor, there are guys just chasing the money, but there are others who still see themselves as pure martial artists.
 
McZee said:
Absolutely.
If everyone else is doing badly on the Honda, but Marc is winning the title and crashing 27 times in a season, it his willingness and ability to push the envelope that leads to his success.
With the Honda seeming to be better this year, there will probably be a drop in his crash numbers.
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You know he did that on purpose. He's that good. It's a tribute to you-know-who.
 
I think Pol did very well to get a contract before Zarco arrives. I agree with Theo that Zarco will bury him.
 

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