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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 27 2009, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>spies & rea just need to stay clear of fabio... he'll no doubt be in kamakazi mode bein this is italy & theres always some ....... italian gonna try & win it in the 1st lap!
The ....... italian this time was Simonchelli. He's a huge risk taker. If he ever starts a business he'll either fail miserably or be a rich mofo
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Sep 27 2009, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really gives you a peek at the skill level that goes on in the 250's, i really doubt Moto2 can bring forth the sort of guys like Simoncelli, even though i don't really like him.
I'm a happy man this weekend ^^ seeing as Nurburgring was a bit of a disaster for Haga this made up for it quite good. even though Fab won race 2.
my first thoughts were. what a ....... selfish fab. but come to think about it. if haga was in fabs shot, racing in japan, i'm pretty sure haga won't just "give him" first place. plus fab did haga a favor when he took spies out a few rounds back. and not to forget italians have a huge "italian pride" thing going on for them. Japs got discipline atleast Haga surely does after learning his lesson with the whole fist waving.
Happy to know Haga is back infront. Still want a close race though, until the end! Spies was having a bad day, but on a good day, he's unstoppable. MotoGP will be alot better with Spies joining the grid next year, and I will definitely give both events equal importance"_
The ....... italian this time was Simonchelli. He's a huge risk taker. If he ever starts a business he'll either fail miserably or be a rich mofo
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Sep 27 2009, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really gives you a peek at the skill level that goes on in the 250's, i really doubt Moto2 can bring forth the sort of guys like Simoncelli, even though i don't really like him.
I'm a happy man this weekend ^^ seeing as Nurburgring was a bit of a disaster for Haga this made up for it quite good. even though Fab won race 2.
my first thoughts were. what a ....... selfish fab. but come to think about it. if haga was in fabs shot, racing in japan, i'm pretty sure haga won't just "give him" first place. plus fab did haga a favor when he took spies out a few rounds back. and not to forget italians have a huge "italian pride" thing going on for them. Japs got discipline atleast Haga surely does after learning his lesson with the whole fist waving.
Happy to know Haga is back infront. Still want a close race though, until the end! Spies was having a bad day, but on a good day, he's unstoppable. MotoGP will be alot better with Spies joining the grid next year, and I will definitely give both events equal importance"_
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 27 2009, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where's all the ......... who were predicting a Marco torpedo?
Apparently you haven't watched race two. But I'm not surprised, you make a habit of speaking before you get all the facts (i.e. your defense of Marlboro exec...)
Hahah Calm down, I'm ....... with you.
Anyway, while you guys are giving Simochelli a hand job, if you want an idea of how great that bike is look no further than to a person on a similar machine. The Ducs and Aprilia were simply not gonna be challenged at Imola. The tell tale sign is Shane Byrne. Whenever I see him up in the mix, that's all the proof I need that the Ducati is the WSBK vision of DMG's Buell project. Not as bad of course (as I'm exaggerating a bit), but there are some places that you know going in that the Italian machine is gonna dominate. It was like that at South Africa too.
Simochelli's move on Biaggi should have ended in a crash had it not been for Biaggi's quick response in standing his bike up. And as usual, these idiots who want to make a name for themselves and ride over their heads are detrimental to the other riders. His bonsai move into the chicane caused a chain reaction and Spies again the receiver of all bad look this year. So no, I was not impressed with Simoncheli. It was obvious that the RSV4 was head and shoulders faster than the Ducs, and that's saying something when you're beating the fastest bikes in WSBK.
Listen to the commentators again and watch how they describe Shane Byrne's bike, they stop short of saying the thing is a rocket ship, extrapolate if you can what they were implying about the factory bikes.
Frankly I was very impressed with Haga, as he looked very dejected last round. (But hey, how could you be dejected very long when you have a very capable machine at your disposal with the prospect of your greatest competition looking at leaving the following year while the ink is still drying on his own contract, eh.) BTW, props to Fabrizio, torpedoing people will not stop this guy from shying away from challenging for a win. I think he rides way over his head, but at least he was able to keep it clean for a win this time.
Speaking of people riding over their heads, Rae really showed that missing a chicane can be done without panicking. I’m with GDuc on this one, upon second review of my previous fence riding on the Haga/Rae incident, I’m going with my new assessment: 'Rae, calm the .... down'.
Spies looked pitiful. Not because he was lacking in rider performance, but one only need to look at the double-digit position riders to find Sykes and get a clue where the Yamaha belonged. That combined with an all-Italian machine podium was the second clue. I know we have got use to seeing him dominate his competition at places he’s only seen in Xbox, but it was painfully obvious he would not challenge the mighty Ducatis. Just like in MotoGP, if you have one rider with a brand up on top, well you can fairly not make any judgments as to the merits of the machine, ah but you have two and you have some credence to what might be a bias or not assessment of the machine's advantages.
One thing that I am happy about is the fact that we actually have a championship battle. Haga’s renewed energy was both surprising and refreshing. Lucky us, barring any more crashes or mechanicals, we may get to see a championship battle go to the end. We win.
Apparently you haven't watched race two. But I'm not surprised, you make a habit of speaking before you get all the facts (i.e. your defense of Marlboro exec...)
Anyway, while you guys are giving Simochelli a hand job, if you want an idea of how great that bike is look no further than to a person on a similar machine. The Ducs and Aprilia were simply not gonna be challenged at Imola. The tell tale sign is Shane Byrne. Whenever I see him up in the mix, that's all the proof I need that the Ducati is the WSBK vision of DMG's Buell project. Not as bad of course (as I'm exaggerating a bit), but there are some places that you know going in that the Italian machine is gonna dominate. It was like that at South Africa too.
Simochelli's move on Biaggi should have ended in a crash had it not been for Biaggi's quick response in standing his bike up. And as usual, these idiots who want to make a name for themselves and ride over their heads are detrimental to the other riders. His bonsai move into the chicane caused a chain reaction and Spies again the receiver of all bad look this year. So no, I was not impressed with Simoncheli. It was obvious that the RSV4 was head and shoulders faster than the Ducs, and that's saying something when you're beating the fastest bikes in WSBK.
Listen to the commentators again and watch how they describe Shane Byrne's bike, they stop short of saying the thing is a rocket ship, extrapolate if you can what they were implying about the factory bikes.
Frankly I was very impressed with Haga, as he looked very dejected last round. (But hey, how could you be dejected very long when you have a very capable machine at your disposal with the prospect of your greatest competition looking at leaving the following year while the ink is still drying on his own contract, eh.) BTW, props to Fabrizio, torpedoing people will not stop this guy from shying away from challenging for a win. I think he rides way over his head, but at least he was able to keep it clean for a win this time.
Speaking of people riding over their heads, Rae really showed that missing a chicane can be done without panicking. I’m with GDuc on this one, upon second review of my previous fence riding on the Haga/Rae incident, I’m going with my new assessment: 'Rae, calm the .... down'.
Spies looked pitiful. Not because he was lacking in rider performance, but one only need to look at the double-digit position riders to find Sykes and get a clue where the Yamaha belonged. That combined with an all-Italian machine podium was the second clue. I know we have got use to seeing him dominate his competition at places he’s only seen in Xbox, but it was painfully obvious he would not challenge the mighty Ducatis. Just like in MotoGP, if you have one rider with a brand up on top, well you can fairly not make any judgments as to the merits of the machine, ah but you have two and you have some credence to what might be a bias or not assessment of the machine's advantages.
One thing that I am happy about is the fact that we actually have a championship battle. Haga’s renewed energy was both surprising and refreshing. Lucky us, barring any more crashes or mechanicals, we may get to see a championship battle go to the end. We win.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 29 2009, 05:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Apparently you haven't watched race two. But I'm not surprised, you make a habit of speaking before you get all the facts
Apparently you didn't check the time of the post - It would have been difficult for me to see a race that was yet to run!
Actually didn't get to see the second but I asked if it was clean and Arrib's reply was the most useful, "Hmmmmm......yeah, by Simoncelli standards, but it left Max having to sit up with nowhere to go, and compared to the move that I've just seen Billy McConnell pull on Steve Plater in the BSS race at Silverstone, it was a text book pass."
THEN I saw the clip...
Apparently you didn't check the time of the post - It would have been difficult for me to see a race that was yet to run!
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There's nothing fair going on when an Italian wins or has a good day on the bike, am I right Jumkie? Simoncelli made a though pass on Biaggi but I'd definitely say that was a fair pass, Biaggi just didn't think Simoncelli could have the intention to pass him there (his own words). Then, if you always look form the perspective of your personal superheroes, is it Stoner, is it Spies... your fault here. I'm Italian so I obviously tend to cheer for Italian riders, but Simoncelli is one of my least favourite Italian riders. But this time I think he did a really good race, I don't know how you can say the opposite. Talking about Fabrizio, so... to you if a rider is potentially inferior to the others, does this make him loose the right to try as hard as he can to win? Did you think the same back in '94 with wild card Nori Abe or did you just enjoy that great race? I think no rider should help the others if you want a real and clear championship. Did you want Fabrizio to stop just before the finish line and make Haga arrive first? Sometimes your immense sense of logic is faded, and that's because you as everyone here have got your own favourite riders and tend to view all things to their point of view, be serious and admit it!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Sep 29 2009, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's nothing fair going on when an Italian wins or has a good day on the bike, am I right Jumkie? Simoncelli made a though pass on Biaggi but I'd definitely say that was a fair pass, Biaggi just didn't think Simoncelli could have the intention to pass him there (his own words). Then, if you always look form the perspective of your personal superheroes, is it Stoner, is it Spies... your fault here. I'm Italian so I obviously tend to cheer for Italian riders, but Simoncelli is one of my least favourite Italian riders. But this time I think he did a really good race, I don't know how you can say the opposite. Talking about Fabrizio, so... to you if a rider is potentially inferior to the others, does this make him loose the right to try as hard as he can to win? Did you think the same back in '94 with wild card Nori Abe or did you just enjoy that great race? I think no rider should help the others if you want a real and clear championship. Did you want Fabrizio to stop just before the finish line and make Haga arrive first? Sometimes your immense sense of logic is faded, and that's because you as everyone here have got your own favourite riders and tend to view all things to their point of view, be serious and admit it!
Simon is 20 years old today. He's a dare devil. I just hope by the time he's as old as Max he's still alive or racing. The kid got balls but lets hope he doesn't do something that will back fire one day and end his racing career. If he slightly changed his riding style this year I really think he would be in 1st position in 250cc.
Fab did the right thing, and if he ever did anything else I think I would've lost a little respect for Haga (given the fact that team manager might have said to Fab to come second and let Nitro come first). Imagine him giving the race to Haga, and come race 2 of the final round Haga beats Spies by 4 points. The title would've definitely not been earned
. The last thing Haga would want to hear is "Remember when Fab gave you the win in Imola?" The man has 250 plus races on his resume, so I'm pretty sure he wants to earn it.
My fave rider is Haga. Regarding Simonchelli? lets just say I would never invest in him if he was ever a business project.
Simon is 20 years old today. He's a dare devil. I just hope by the time he's as old as Max he's still alive or racing. The kid got balls but lets hope he doesn't do something that will back fire one day and end his racing career. If he slightly changed his riding style this year I really think he would be in 1st position in 250cc.
Fab did the right thing, and if he ever did anything else I think I would've lost a little respect for Haga (given the fact that team manager might have said to Fab to come second and let Nitro come first). Imagine him giving the race to Haga, and come race 2 of the final round Haga beats Spies by 4 points. The title would've definitely not been earned
My fave rider is Haga. Regarding Simonchelli? lets just say I would never invest in him if he was ever a business project.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GatorDuc @ Sep 27 2009, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very Cool race one!! Love to see Haga win. And I know I'm going to get some .... from the Brits, but ......., Rea looked very frigging ambitious, nearly torpedoed Haga this time too. He seemed to be all over the track.
Apparently by the lack of response to this statement, I can only concur that our British friends are still trying to pull their shoes out of their mouth after all the defending of "Johnny Reacing Incident"
from the last race. Arabb's brain must have gone mushy from trying to read page 1 billion of Wikipedia. The last race he was doing a Zapruder like analysis of the"reacing incident" between him and Haga and somehow absolving Rea of all guilt. Now after watching the kid spend half the weekend
doing the same .... it's hard to argue that he's not riding over his head There is a good chance that
the points Haga lost last race could cost him the championship. He's becoming fast enough to run with the leaders so there is no need for him take guys in order to beat them.
Apparently by the lack of response to this statement, I can only concur that our British friends are still trying to pull their shoes out of their mouth after all the defending of "Johnny Reacing Incident"
from the last race. Arabb's brain must have gone mushy from trying to read page 1 billion of Wikipedia. The last race he was doing a Zapruder like analysis of the"reacing incident" between him and Haga and somehow absolving Rea of all guilt. Now after watching the kid spend half the weekend
doing the same .... it's hard to argue that he's not riding over his head There is a good chance that
the points Haga lost last race could cost him the championship. He's becoming fast enough to run with the leaders so there is no need for him take guys in order to beat them.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 28 2009, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Apparently you didn't check the time of the post - It would have been difficult for me to see a race that was yet to run!
Actually didn't get to see the second but I asked if it was clean and Arrib's reply was the most useful, "Hmmmmm......yeah, by Simoncelli standards, but it left Max having to sit up with nowhere to go, and compared to the move that I've just seen Billy McConnell pull on Steve Plater in the BSS race at Silverstone, it was a text book pass."
THEN I saw the clip...
I did check the time stamp, and wondered why did this guy call out all the Semochelli "........." if he had NOT seen the entire event yet, isn't that a bit premature? hahaha. Ah, that's a very shrewd tactic of name dropping Arab to pad your cred, nicely done. So yeah, I agree with Arab qualification of the pass by saying it was "clean" by Simonchelli's standards, that is too say, its a bit hard but par for his style.
Well, MickyD, I don't mind Simonchelli making a hard and aggressive pass, that is why we smart bunch on the forum watch and like WSBK, the problem I have is these guys that have nothing to do with the championship (in a indirect way) effecting the points because they want to make a personal statement. Can't these guys execute a pass without effecting the rider being overtaken? Haga and Spies do it on a regular basis, they pass close but do NOT upset the rider being passed. That is professionalism. So again, yes by all means ride aggressive and put some close racing moves on the competition, but also be professional about it and be mindful of not taking out or putting a title contender out on the gravel or tarmac.
Keep in mind, its hard to argue against close racing, but I think (not sure) that you can distinguish between aggressive professional racing VS hotheaded mistake prone racing. Its a fine line. Let me give you an example: Take a look at the races again (or actually watch race 2)
, tell me, was J. Rae making and repeating mistakes? Yes. Thankfully none of his mistakes really took anybody out and he was able to rejoin the race when he missed that turn. Can we agree that was a mistake? Ok, now follow along here (you too squarewheel) if we agree that a mistake was made when Rae went off the track, then how can you not make the same connection when he actually effects another rider? Its still a rider mistake that caused it. Why is it when these types of mistakes end up effecting another rider that it suddenly becomes a mere and simple no fault "racing incident" or "hard pass"? This is where I'm going with on Simonchelli's pass on Biaggi, is it ok to execute a pass where you cross the line of the rider forcing them to evade a sure collision? Is that professional and mere hard racing? I don't think so. I think close racing has been demonstrated and its a thing of beauty when done right without hotheaded mistakes. Take for example the three turn sequence between J. Rae & Spies at Assen earlier this year. Do you remember? Neither rider gave in and both were aggressive and close. More importantly, neither upset the line of eachother. Was it hard close aggressive racing, yes, was it hotheaded mistake prone racing, no.
Here is the thing, the fact that we are sitting here debating Semonchelli's move makes him the the story...where he shouldn't be. Without that move we could have been talking about what a great performance of finishing on the podium, instead he caused a chain reaction that sent the points leader (atm) into the gravel. That in my opinion was a hotheaded pass to make a personal statement.
Well, MickyD, I don't mind Simonchelli making a hard and aggressive pass, that is why we smart bunch on the forum watch and like WSBK, the problem I have is these guys that have nothing to do with the championship (in a indirect way) effecting the points because they want to make a personal statement. Can't these guys execute a pass without effecting the rider being overtaken? Haga and Spies do it on a regular basis, they pass close but do NOT upset the rider being passed. That is professionalism. So again, yes by all means ride aggressive and put some close racing moves on the competition, but also be professional about it and be mindful of not taking out or putting a title contender out on the gravel or tarmac.
Keep in mind, its hard to argue against close racing, but I think (not sure) that you can distinguish between aggressive professional racing VS hotheaded mistake prone racing. Its a fine line. Let me give you an example: Take a look at the races again (or actually watch race 2)
Here is the thing, the fact that we are sitting here debating Semonchelli's move makes him the the story...where he shouldn't be. Without that move we could have been talking about what a great performance of finishing on the podium, instead he caused a chain reaction that sent the points leader (atm) into the gravel. That in my opinion was a hotheaded pass to make a personal statement.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Sep 29 2009, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's nothing fair going on when an Italian wins or has a good day on the bike, am I right Jumkie?
Take it easy Square, my "....... Italian" comment was a play on Colin Edwards funny but candid assessment of DeAngelis move at Misano. Don't take it too heart man. BTW, don't mistake my arm-chair spectator critic of Simonchelli (or for that matter J.Rae) as me disliking them. No, I like them both and have enjoyed their suburb racing talent. Simoncelli has brought great racing to 250s & J.Rae to WSBK. So don't confuse my take on their questionable moves as personal dislike, particularly your countrymen. (If that's the way I come off, then I apologize to you and the J.Rae fans).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Simoncelli made a though pass on Biaggi but I'd definitely say that was a fair pass, Biaggi just didn't think Simoncelli could have the intention to pass him there (his own words). Then, if you always look form the perspective of your personal superheroes, is it Stoner, is it Spies... your fault here. I'm Italian so I obviously tend to cheer for Italian riders, but Simoncelli is one of my least favourite Italian riders. But this time I think he did a really good race, I don't know how you can say the opposite.
Yes, I am bias, but I think we all have it, right. Btw, yes, I'm rooting for Spies, but i've said it before, I'm not a fan in the classic sense (or at least I wasn't). But the man has been winning me over, not just with his professional perfomances, but with his take on human relationships with his rival. I was very impressed with Spies' last interview where he basically says he learned from Mladin how NOT to be, adding, he learned he does not need to "hate" his rivals to want to beat them. And the man is walking the talk, as you remember, he mention having a BBQ with Haga, his main rival. That's class. And I admire that.
Ok, regarding Simoncelli's pass, we both agree with was a hard pass, but what does that mean? When you execute a hard pass and upset the other rider by taking his line, is that still a "hard" pass or a "bonsai pass"? Here is what I think, he tied to make a personal statement on Biaggi, a fellow Italia, on the same machine, in Italy. That makes for a pretty good headline. Now you have people saying "he embarrassed Biaggi". WTF, he screws up the pass ad now its Biaggi who was shown up? That's .........
I'm sure you saw Simoncelli's pass on Spies, that was a "hard" pass, that is to say, a close pass that was "fair" and resulted in not crossing of line or upsetting the rider. Yet the pass was close and made a statement clear enough. That kind of pass is respectable. Contrast that pass with the bonsai mistake that he executed on Biaggi. In my limited assessment as in 'monday morning quarterback' (not sure if you are familiar with that saying) I think Simoncelli was trying to make a personal statement, but he made a mistake and broke a hair too deep resulting in upsetting and crossing Biaggi's line. That is a mistake. The consequences of which resulted in two rider having to quickly evade a sure collision sending Spies into the gravel. So no, I'm not impressed with Simoncelli. I think he screwed up by trying to say "look at me", I'm the story.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Talking about Fabrizio, so... to you if a rider is potentially inferior to the others, does this make him loose the right to try as hard as he can to win? Did you think the same back in '94 with wild card Nori Abe or did you just enjoy that great race? I think no rider should help the others if you want a real and clear championship. Did you want Fabrizio to stop just before the finish line and make Haga arrive first? Sometimes your immense sense of logic is faded, and that's because you as everyone here have got your own favourite riders and tend to view all things to their point of view, be serious and admit it!
Woe, woe, I basically said it was nice of him not to back down regardless of his torpedo prone style. Yeah, its a dig at his race craft but not in the least saying he should let Haga win. Hell, after taking out Spies he should at least race Haga hard to save his integrity. Which he did. Do I think Fabrizio races above his head, yes. Does this mean I want him to stand down, no. His pass on Haga for the lead was clean, and that's what I've been calling for. Fabrizio is out of the championship (for all intents and purposes) so if he's gonna pass or beat the leader, I want him to be mindful about the overtaking move, and it looks like he was. That goes a long way to restoring respect for his racecraft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Simoncelli made a though pass on Biaggi but I'd definitely say that was a fair pass, Biaggi just didn't think Simoncelli could have the intention to pass him there (his own words). Then, if you always look form the perspective of your personal superheroes, is it Stoner, is it Spies... your fault here. I'm Italian so I obviously tend to cheer for Italian riders, but Simoncelli is one of my least favourite Italian riders. But this time I think he did a really good race, I don't know how you can say the opposite.
Yes, I am bias, but I think we all have it, right. Btw, yes, I'm rooting for Spies, but i've said it before, I'm not a fan in the classic sense (or at least I wasn't). But the man has been winning me over, not just with his professional perfomances, but with his take on human relationships with his rival. I was very impressed with Spies' last interview where he basically says he learned from Mladin how NOT to be, adding, he learned he does not need to "hate" his rivals to want to beat them. And the man is walking the talk, as you remember, he mention having a BBQ with Haga, his main rival. That's class. And I admire that.
Ok, regarding Simoncelli's pass, we both agree with was a hard pass, but what does that mean? When you execute a hard pass and upset the other rider by taking his line, is that still a "hard" pass or a "bonsai pass"? Here is what I think, he tied to make a personal statement on Biaggi, a fellow Italia, on the same machine, in Italy. That makes for a pretty good headline. Now you have people saying "he embarrassed Biaggi". WTF, he screws up the pass ad now its Biaggi who was shown up? That's .........
I'm sure you saw Simoncelli's pass on Spies, that was a "hard" pass, that is to say, a close pass that was "fair" and resulted in not crossing of line or upsetting the rider. Yet the pass was close and made a statement clear enough. That kind of pass is respectable. Contrast that pass with the bonsai mistake that he executed on Biaggi. In my limited assessment as in 'monday morning quarterback' (not sure if you are familiar with that saying) I think Simoncelli was trying to make a personal statement, but he made a mistake and broke a hair too deep resulting in upsetting and crossing Biaggi's line. That is a mistake. The consequences of which resulted in two rider having to quickly evade a sure collision sending Spies into the gravel. So no, I'm not impressed with Simoncelli. I think he screwed up by trying to say "look at me", I'm the story.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Talking about Fabrizio, so... to you if a rider is potentially inferior to the others, does this make him loose the right to try as hard as he can to win? Did you think the same back in '94 with wild card Nori Abe or did you just enjoy that great race? I think no rider should help the others if you want a real and clear championship. Did you want Fabrizio to stop just before the finish line and make Haga arrive first? Sometimes your immense sense of logic is faded, and that's because you as everyone here have got your own favourite riders and tend to view all things to their point of view, be serious and admit it!
Woe, woe, I basically said it was nice of him not to back down regardless of his torpedo prone style. Yeah, its a dig at his race craft but not in the least saying he should let Haga win. Hell, after taking out Spies he should at least race Haga hard to save his integrity. Which he did. Do I think Fabrizio races above his head, yes. Does this mean I want him to stand down, no. His pass on Haga for the lead was clean, and that's what I've been calling for. Fabrizio is out of the championship (for all intents and purposes) so if he's gonna pass or beat the leader, I want him to be mindful about the overtaking move, and it looks like he was. That goes a long way to restoring respect for his racecraft.
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Sorry Jumkie, didn't know you were playing on Colin's statement.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Sep 29 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Apparently by the lack of response to this statement, I can only concur that our British friends are still trying to pull their shoes out of their mouth after all the defending of "Johnny Reacing Incident"
from the last race. Arabb's brain must have gone mushy from trying to read page 1 billion of Wikipedia. The last race he was doing a Zapruder like analysis of the"reacing incident" between him and Haga and somehow absolving Rea of all guilt. Now after watching the kid spend half the weekend
doing the same .... it's hard to argue that he's not riding over his head There is a good chance that
the points Haga lost last race could cost him the championship. He's becoming fast enough to run with the leaders so there is no need for him take guys in order to beat them.
There actually is a grassy knoll at the Nurburgring close to where the Haga 'take down' took place, which exonerates Rea even further. Actually, by absolving Rea of blame, I missed the chance to indulge my puerile sense of mirth by terming it the 'Johnny Knockdown' which I was tempted to do.
Johnny's over exuberance last weekend is nothing new - we've seen it before many times in BSB. Ronald's been a busy man over the last month, and has done what his fabled workshop does best...sharpened a blade that can once more slice through the field and cut it up front - the boy Rea was just a little over enthusiastic - rookies do tend to be. His recovery in Race 1 was simply astonishing. Yeah he was riding over his head - rookies are prone to this, and missed his marker on more than one occasion.
Imola is a technical circuit after all - at least that's what I just read on page one billion and one of Wikipedia.
from the last race. Arabb's brain must have gone mushy from trying to read page 1 billion of Wikipedia. The last race he was doing a Zapruder like analysis of the"reacing incident" between him and Haga and somehow absolving Rea of all guilt. Now after watching the kid spend half the weekend
doing the same .... it's hard to argue that he's not riding over his head There is a good chance that
the points Haga lost last race could cost him the championship. He's becoming fast enough to run with the leaders so there is no need for him take guys in order to beat them.
There actually is a grassy knoll at the Nurburgring close to where the Haga 'take down' took place, which exonerates Rea even further. Actually, by absolving Rea of blame, I missed the chance to indulge my puerile sense of mirth by terming it the 'Johnny Knockdown' which I was tempted to do.
Johnny's over exuberance last weekend is nothing new - we've seen it before many times in BSB. Ronald's been a busy man over the last month, and has done what his fabled workshop does best...sharpened a blade that can once more slice through the field and cut it up front - the boy Rea was just a little over enthusiastic - rookies do tend to be. His recovery in Race 1 was simply astonishing. Yeah he was riding over his head - rookies are prone to this, and missed his marker on more than one occasion.
Imola is a technical circuit after all - at least that's what I just read on page one billion and one of Wikipedia.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 29 2009, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There actually is a grassy knoll at the Nurburgring close to where the Haga 'take down' took place, which exonerates Rea even further. Actually, by absolving Rea of blame, I missed the chance to indulge my puerile sense of mirth by terming it the 'Johnny Knockdown' which I was tempted to do.
Johnny's over exuberance last weekend is nothing new - we've seen it before many times in BSB. Ronald's been a busy man over the last month, and has done what his fabled workshop does best...sharpened a blade that can once more slice through the field and cut it up front - the boy Rea was just a little over enthusiastic - rookies do tend to be. His recovery in Race 1 was simply astonishing. Yeah he was riding over his head - rookies are prone to this, and missed his marker on more than one occasion.
Imola is a technical circuit after all - at least that's what I just read on page one billion and one of Wikipedia.
Brilliant as usual.
No people u just cant beat this man!
"grassy knoll" Bahahahahahaha! Fanfuckingtastic.
Johnny's over exuberance last weekend is nothing new - we've seen it before many times in BSB. Ronald's been a busy man over the last month, and has done what his fabled workshop does best...sharpened a blade that can once more slice through the field and cut it up front - the boy Rea was just a little over enthusiastic - rookies do tend to be. His recovery in Race 1 was simply astonishing. Yeah he was riding over his head - rookies are prone to this, and missed his marker on more than one occasion.
Imola is a technical circuit after all - at least that's what I just read on page one billion and one of Wikipedia.
No people u just cant beat this man!
"grassy knoll" Bahahahahahaha! Fanfuckingtastic.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Sep 29 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Jumkie, didn't know you were playing on Colin's statement.
Im not a monster. Hahaha. Cheers brotha.
Im not a monster. Hahaha. Cheers brotha.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 29 2009, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually, by absolving Rea of blame, I missed the chance to indulge my puerile sense of mirth
Anyone hear that sound? That was my head exploding
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 29 2009, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imola is a technical circuit after all - at least that's what I just read on page one billion and one of Wikipedia.
Anyone hear that sound? That was my head exploding
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 29 2009, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imola is a technical circuit after all - at least that's what I just read on page one billion and one of Wikipedia.
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Jum your plentiful pontifications on this thread seem to advocate a fantastical eutopia of racing where all riders, rookie or veteran, championship contender or back marker, race aggressively with nary an error, with hard, cleans passes as the only acceptable means of circumnavigating the circuit. Oh to live in that exalted air where emotion and human fallibility cease to exist!
Me, I embrace the errors as part of the wondrous spice of life and actually enjoy the calamity and reactions to adversity that are the fabric of human endeavor.
Jum says, "the problem I have is these guys that have nothing to do with the championship (in a indirect way) effecting the points because they want to make a personal statement." Right, so as a championship season progresses we should just disqualify riders who have no hope of winning and get their nasty emotional, personal statement-making ..... off the track so the "clean" passing contenders don't have to bother themselves with the racing peons... yeah, that sounds like a fun series...
Me, I embrace the errors as part of the wondrous spice of life and actually enjoy the calamity and reactions to adversity that are the fabric of human endeavor.
Jum says, "the problem I have is these guys that have nothing to do with the championship (in a indirect way) effecting the points because they want to make a personal statement." Right, so as a championship season progresses we should just disqualify riders who have no hope of winning and get their nasty emotional, personal statement-making ..... off the track so the "clean" passing contenders don't have to bother themselves with the racing peons... yeah, that sounds like a fun series...
