noyes take on the proposed tire rule

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/40771/?page=1 i think this might be the article that teo spoke about in another thread.

really good article...Thanks.

Good read, interesting to read different perspectives on this topic.
Here is another..

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2007...ars_feature.htm

Does no one see that as disturbing.The powers that be are blatantly saying that it is very important that Rossi and Pedrosa run up front and if they are not,they will try to make it happen.I dont ever want to hear anyone say how Nascar is fixed.Its becoming clear that F1 and Moto Gp has lost its way.I will still watch but if they .......ize Gp,i will never promote it again

Amazing! And yet there are still some on here with their heads in the sand thinking the politicking and favoritism toward Pedrosa in both the Honda Repsol Team and Dorna is not real. Imagine, they even proposed having the team split and giving Pedrosa the Bridgestones (who they see as the “dominant” tire and give the World Champion Nicky Hayden the Michelins; simply by Pedrosa’s request. ....... Eh. Oh, I fully expect a few to disagree and try to spin this one, hell they’ve spinned every other evidence that there is favoritism in MotoGP.

Dorna: Loves and will do anything to see Pedrosa win to increase TV viewers.
Honda HRC: Loves and will do anything to see Pedrosa win to appease Repsol.
Repsol: Loves and will do anything to see Pedrosa win, hell he’s Spanish and so is Repsol.
Fate: So far has produced deserving world champions in the last two years despite the favoritism and politics! The last two years are the years that got away from Dorna, and now they are trying to rein in and control it so that the guys that they see are suppose to win again start to do so.

To think, Hayden turned down Ducati to stay with this unappreciative and unsupportive team.



When Rossi and Pedrosa say ‘jump!’, Dorna doesn’t say ‘why?’, they say: ‘How high?’



This is the real world boys and girls! What a ....... sham!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 7 2007, 07:47 AM) [snapback]94097[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Amazing! And yet there are still some on here with their heads in the sand thinking the politicking and favoritism toward Pedrosa in both the Honda Repsol Team and Dorna is not real. Imagine, they even proposed having the team split and giving Pedrosa the Bridgestones (who they see as the “dominant” tire and give the World Champion Nicky Hayden the Michelins; simply by Pedrosa’s request. ....... Eh. Oh, I fully expect a few to disagree and try to spin this one, hell they’ve spinned every other evidence that there is favoritism in MotoGP.

Dorna: Loves and will do anything to see Pedrosa win to increase TV viewers.
Honda HRC: Loves and will do anything to see Pedrosa win to appease Repsol.
Repsol: Loves and will do anything to see Pedrosa win, hell he’s Spanish and so is Repsol.
Fate: So far has produced deserving world champions in the last two years despite the favoritism and politics! The last two years are the years that got away from Dorna, and now they are trying to rein in and control it so that the guys that they see are suppose to win again start to do so.

To think, Hayden turned down Ducati to stay with this unappreciative and unsupportive team.
When Rossi and Pedrosa say ‘jump!’, Dorna doesn’t say ‘why?’, they say: ‘How high?’
This is the real world boys and girls! What a ....... sham!!!

mabe your right, but want has nothing to do with it !
at the end of the day it is still the rider who has to put the performance in to win regardless of what dorna repsol ect want. every bike is within 10% of the pole bike, some riders can make up this on the track and some cant plain and simple.

yes we know there is favoritism but i think the tv ratings plunge is what got dornas attention. you also have to remember that repsol would not be so keen on ensuring only pedrosas winning because they're trying to make inroads in the US market. so hayden doing well serves them plenty. the american market is a mighty big carrot...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Oct 7 2007, 03:11 PM) [snapback]94160[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
the american market is a mighty big carrot...


I was thinking that, its a huge market and its just picked up another GP. I think things tend to work in favour of the Americans

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 7 2007, 07:41 AM) [snapback]94139[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
mabe your right, but want has nothing to do with it !
at the end of the day it is still the rider who has to put the performance in to win regardless of what dorna repsol ect want. every bike is within 10% of the pole bike, some riders can make up this on the track and some cant plain and simple.


You know what he is saying and you are putting a slight spin on it.Of course Dorna cant just flat out fix races but they can manipulate the rules to try and ensure their boys run up front and as far as im concerned the legitimacy of the sport is gone.Pro Wrestling on 2 wheels.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 6 2007, 11:47 PM) [snapback]94097[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Oh, I fully expect a few to disagree and try to spin this one, hell they’ve spinned every other evidence that there is favoritism in MotoGP.


Amen. Some people are so blind it's sickening. I'm not going to say Repsol is holding Hayden back, sadly his allegiance to the team has possibly cost him his career ambitions.

This article shows the mental retardation of the baby boomers who are dying (literally) to squeeze short term profits out of every single one of their investments. It started in America, but now it has infected every mindless twit that ever dared to indulge in his own greed. They would rather tarnish the reputation of the sport, suck all the euros out, then die and let someone else figure it out how to keep it running.

The going-concern assumption of business has been called into serious question in the Western world by these pirates.


As far as the comments about the 10% rule. What a worthless waste of reasoning. A 1min 40 second lap is 100 seconds, so you only have to be within 10 seconds to qualify. Riders struggle to make up .5 secs a lap, to say that only good riders can compensate for 10% a lap is not worth the hard disk space it is clogging up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Oct 7 2007, 07:11 AM) [snapback]94160[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yes we know there is favoritism but i think the tv ratings plunge is what got dornas attention. you also have to remember that repsol would not be so keen on ensuring only pedrosas winning because they're trying to make inroads in the US market. so hayden doing well serves them plenty. the american market is a mighty big carrot...

I see your point, but this isn't the reality. Its like FIFA wanting to make inrodes into the American market, but guess what, nobody is that interested. They greatest market is in Europe. Like Lexi said, they are trying to squeeze every ounce of profit out of where it counts at the moment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 7 2007, 08:31 AM) [snapback]94172[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I was thinking that, its a huge market and its just picked up another GP. I think things tend to work in favour of the Americans

Hi Tom,

The reality is that the US is a very big country and populated as such. One states is as big as an entire country in Europe. Now imagine having one GP in the entire geographical span of Europe. Hell, there are three GPs in Spain, which is the size of one of many western states of the US. Why? Because its popular there, which basically means they wield more influence. It’s not nearly as popular in the US. As a matter of fact, most people in the US don't even know MotoGP exists. But ask somebody in Spain or Italy who Rossi/Pedrosa are and I bet you get a detailed answer. So then, how do American make it in GP, well frankly, they are pretty good racers. How many Americans are in 250s? Zero. Why? Well, that's for you to ponder; but I think it has something to do with the "favourtism" you speak of buddy.

Favourtism is for people who need it like West.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 8 2007, 02:25 AM) [snapback]94220[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You know what he is saying and you are putting a slight spin on it.Of course Dorna cant just flat out fix races but they can manipulate the rules to try and ensure their boys run up front and as far as im concerned the legitimacy of the sport is gone.Pro Wrestling on 2 wheels.

dont get me wrong povol, i do share your fears,i just dont think it has played any part yet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 8 2007, 02:27 PM) [snapback]94341[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
dont get me wrong povol, i do share your fears,i just dont think it has played any part yet.

What? Wow you sure sound reasonable. The only “fear” I have is that you’ve been going to anger management classes. Yesterday it was love for Antfan, what next, group hug with Pinky? What’s this world coming to, I fear?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 8 2007, 11:07 PM) [snapback]94346[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What? Wow you sure sound reasonable. The only “fear” I have is that you’ve been going to anger management classes. Yesterday it was love for Antfan, what next, group hug with Pinky? What’s this world coming to, I fear?

your dead meat mother fcker

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Oct 8 2007, 02:38 AM) [snapback]94224[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
This article shows the mental retardation of the baby boomers who are dying (literally) to squeeze short term profits out of every single one of their investments. It started in America, but now it has infected every mindless twit that ever dared to indulge in his own greed. They would rather tarnish the reputation of the sport, suck all the euros out, then die and let someone else figure it out how to keep it running.

The going-concern assumption of business has been called into serious question in the Western world by these pirates.


I 100% agree with this. People don't seem to realise that all sorts of decisions affecting their jobs, interests and lives in general are being made by people purely concerned with 3 or 6 monthly profits and bonuses who have no concern for the consequences in 5 years time, partly because this seems to be the current mind-set, partly because they intend to be long gone having already made their money.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 7 2007, 07:47 AM) [snapback]94097[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
... the World Champion Nicky Hayden the Michelins

To think, Hayden turned down Ducati to stay with this unappreciative and unsupportive team.

This is the real world boys and girls! What a ....... sham!!!

First, Nicky is the former World Champion...Casey IS World Champion get used to it!
Second, Nicky made his decision so HE and you have to live with it.
Third, if its such a sham to you then stop watching and go back to watching the pure sport of NASCAR and AMA.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 7 2007, 12:41 PM) [snapback]94139[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
at the end of the day it is still the rider who has to put the performance in to win regardless of what dorna repsol ect want. every bike is within 10% of the pole bike, some riders can make up this on the track and some cant plain and simple.

Well said, and maybe one of the two Repsol rider is not good enough to make the difference

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 7 2007, 04:31 PM) [snapback]94172[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I was thinking that, its a huge market and its just picked up another GP. I think things tend to work in favour of the Americans
Yep, and maybe this will make the difference for the 3 US riders in MotoGP and future ones.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Oct 8 2007, 03:38 AM) [snapback]94224[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Amen. Some people are so blind it's sickening. I'm not going to say Repsol is holding Hayden back, sadly his allegiance to the team has possibly cost him his career ambitions.

I think Nicky not going to Yamaha or Ducati has cost him his career, in the sense, that Nicky will do a KRJR slide to back of the grid and out the back door of MotoGP...it is sad really!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 8 2007, 10:07 PM) [snapback]94336[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
How many Americans are in 250s? Zero. Why? Well, that's for you to ponder; but I think it has something to do with the "favourtism" you speak of buddy.

America is big country and deserves more than 2 GPs, but unless you can convice a major minority of the American public to watch you will be lucky to keep both of them...so go out and push MotoGP to America.

You are right USA has no 250 riders, but it does have a 125 rider on a Factory team...his name is Steve Bonsey and rides for KTM, so support him, push for him and get the word out...and chill!!

Schizophrenia is not curable but controllable. Get help.^

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Oct 9 2007, 08:36 AM) [snapback]94444[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks!

That's why I'm throwing them, can you handle it?