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Dorna proposes lifting test quota and just let them test as much as they like. How does Honda and Yamaha get back the time they have been saving while Ducati burned through their test before the season even ended. This certainly smacks of favoritism once again.
 
Dorna proposes lifting test quota and just let them test as much as they like. How does Honda and Yamaha get back the time they have been saving while Ducati burned through their test before the season even ended. This certainly smacks of favoritism once again.

Link, is it just for Duc or is it more about the CRTs. If it's about the CRTs I dont blame them and anything extra that could be done to entice them to spend money and grow the grid sounds good to me. We neeeeed bikes, the Duc will probably suck until it gets a redesign. Yamaha and Honda have had their time in the sun and are the reason the grid is all ...... so let them suffer.
 
I hope you are not suggesting "the goat" is being given special dispensation by the powers that be?
 
dont see what the big deal is tbh, if Honda hadnt changed the series in the first place, teams wouldnt be demanding more testing time and CRT's wouldnt even exist!



I think Dorna may over putting all their eggs in 1 (rossi) basket, dont you think?
 
I don't think this has anything to do with Rossi, everyone has been asking for more testing and they make a sound argument too.
 
Pov, where did you hear this? I really hope it's just a wild rumor; the blatant favoritism is getting old.



Two wrongs don't make a right.



YES, it is all about The Chosen One.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he's been pulling strings (threatening to leave, etc.) behind the scenes.
 
Pov, where did you hear this? I really hope it's just a wild rumor; the blatant favoritism is getting old.



Two wrongs don't make a right.



YES, it is all about The Chosen One.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he's been pulling strings (threatening to leave, etc.) behind the scenes.



Speculation is wonderful eh!



I think its funny how loads of people think Rossi is behind this despite other riders asking for the same.



Ducantbuildabike have had all season (testing at races) and still havent managed to build a decent bike, unlimited testing from the start of 2012 isnt going to make hell of a difference is it? What they got, 3 1/2 months till the opener at Qatar?
 
Link, is it just for Duc or is it more about the CRTs. If it's about the CRTs I dont blame them and anything extra that could be done to entice them to spend money and grow the grid sounds good to me. We neeeeed bikes, the Duc will probably suck until it gets a redesign. Yamaha and Honda have had their time in the sun and are the reason the grid is all ...... so let them suffer.

No, its for everybody, i just find it strange that Ducati burned up their tests almost like they knew they were getting more, while Honda and Yamaha were conservative in their approach, spreading out the tests thinking all they had was the set number Ducati has been given a head start. Krop mentioned it in one of his articles and said he was going to report on it later, then i found this



http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-d...osed-changes-to-MotoGP-test-rules&newsid=5902
 
Dorna proposes lifting test quota and just let them test as much as they like. How does Honda and Yamaha get back the time they have been saving while Ducati burned through their test before the season even ended. This certainly smacks of favoritism once again.



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No, its for everybody, i just find it strange that Ducati burned up their tests almost like they knew they were getting more, while Honda and Yamaha were conservative in their approach, spreading out the tests thinking all they had was the set number Ducati has been given a head start. Krop mentioned it in one of his articles and said he was going to report on it later, then i found this



http://www.bikesport...les&newsid=5902



I dont find it strange, their bike was far from winning races and they needed a solution. Yamaha and Honda probably didnt find it necessary to do loads of testing as their current bike is already competitive....and they clearly know what they're doing, when Ducati clearly dont
 
The point is that the various teams, be they noble Ducati or despotic Honda, DID agree on a testing limit. To change the rules in mid-season is, IMO, VERY poor form.



And anyone who thinks VR46 hasn't been pulling strings behind the scenes is a naive fool!
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Testing is not unlimited. Each manufacturer gets 240 tires from Bridgestone to test with, for use by all testers, factory riders or test riders. Once they're used up, your testing is over.
 
I heard the commentators mention a relaxing of testing rules in either the race or the practices. My take is that its one of those things that Carmelo thought up thinking about the CRT teams in particular, as it seemed everybody was in a panic a couple of weeks ago regarding the grid. It just happens to be that Ducati has burned through their testing days when this little crisis sprang up. And of course, the fact that this might help Rossi on Ducati is one of those Dorna upshot unintended consequences that makes these decision easier to make. If Carmelo wants to continue to put pressure on the factories, maybe he could relax the testing rules for CRT teams only. Though at this point, I would not mind if Dorna relaxed the testing rules for everybody. Its going to be the same for all of them, so this means that Honda and Yamaha can then work limited to the tire allocation as everybody else. Its incorrect for Pov to assume Ducati were going to be given more days simply because they used them up faster and sooner in the season. Each factory scheduled their days according to their need and desire to produce parts for next year (just look at Suzuki, its not that they are being shrewd put rather uncommitted), but they were all going to be used up regardless of the change. I think the bigger picture and concern for Dorna at the moment are the CRT team's entry list & competitiveness. If we didn't have this push for the CRT teams, then I think Pov's assumption would have greater weight.
 
Testing is not unlimited. Each manufacturer gets 240 tires from Bridgestone to test with, for use by all testers, factory riders or test riders. Once they're used up, your testing is over.

Or more tires are allocated. Kinda like what is being proposed. If we've learned anything form the proposed relaxation of testing limits, its that limits are always negotiable according to the series needs and wants.
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I'm all for them lifting this ban for the sake of competition next year. If we only have Honda and Yamaha scrapping for the podium next year which is likely, I think fans start tuning out.

Even with the ban lifted, Ducati have a long ways to go and a short time to get there.
 
There is a lot of adverse criticism of Dorna at present, much of it justified. At least it seems to be apparent that they have realized there are major flaws in letting Honda run the show, it has created this expensive-ridiculous series that is current.



Testing regs are amongst the most stupid anyway, and changes to this are seen as blessings from most teams, bar Honda that is
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What I would like to know is, why do we still need a 6 engine limit reg? Why do we still need a control tyre? Why do we need a fuel limit? These are the three major flaws in the design, much like Ducati, Dorna seems unable to address their major problems.



None of these regs have brought decreased costs, better/fairer racing or an increase in safety, Rossi, Pedrosa, Jorge, Spies, Aoyama, Caparossi, Edwards, Barbera, Crutchlow, have all suffered from devastating injury in the last 2 seasons, so much for increased safety, even in the 500 days we didn't see such a wide spread problem with injury. In fact these regs have done the complete opposite of what they were intended for, or at least what the MSMA would like us to believe they were intended for, as the primary goal was achieved for the architects last weekend.....



Forget about testing, the major issues are yet to be fixed, and Honda knows all to well that opening up these regs allows for many more variables with far less money spent, whilst the competition won't be 'level', it will be 'fair'......A 500 use to cost around 150K, you could run 5 of these with spares for the cost of Honda's gearbox today........
 
There is a lot of adverse criticism of Dorna at present, much of it justified. At least it seems to be apparent that they have realized there are major flaws in letting Honda run the show, it has created this expensive-ridiculous series that is current.



Testing regs are amongst the most stupid anyway, and changes to this are seen as blessings from most teams, bar Honda that is
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What I would like to know is, why do we still need a 6 engine limit reg? Why do we still need a control tyre? Why do we need a fuel limit? These are the three major flaws in the design, much like Ducati, Dorna seems unable to address their major problems.



None of these regs have brought decreased costs, better/fairer racing or an increase in safety, Rossi, Pedrosa, Jorge, Spies, Aoyama, Caparossi, Edwards, Barbera, Crutchlow, have all suffered from devastating injury in the last 2 seasons, so much for increased safety, even in the 500 days we didn't see such a wide spread problem with injury. In fact these regs have done the complete opposite of what they were intended for, or at least what the MSMA would like us to believe they were intended for, as the primary goal was achieved for the architects last weekend.....



Forget about testing, the major issues are yet to be fixed, and Honda knows all to well that opening up these regs allows for many more variables with far less money spent, whilst the competition won't be 'level', it will be 'fair'......A 500 use to cost around 150K, you could run 5 of these with spares for the cost of Honda's gearbox today........

I agree about the regs, i would shitcan every one you mentioned, BUT, the rules that are in place should be played out for the time frame for which they were instituted. Changing regs mid stream always cause accusations of favoritism, and this case is no different. On the surface, this looks to help Ducati more than anyone.
 
I agree about the regs, i would shitcan every one you mentioned, BUT, the rules that are in place should be played out for the time frame for which they were instituted. Changing regs mid stream always cause accusations of favoritism, and this case is no different. On the surface, this looks to help Ducati more than anyone.

What time frame are you referring to?

We are entering a new era of the 1000's if you haven't been paying attention.

I could also spin this to say it hurts Ducati because they have no doubt used up more of their tire allocation as compared to Honda, Yamaha, and Suzuki. Did Honda, Yamaha, and Suzuki not do as much testing because they knew the rule would change and they would have the tires saved to get more testing out of their factory riders? This thread is a waste of space and another failed attempt to prove that Rossi has some magical power over GP. If Casey becomes as dominant as Rossi was in the past, you aren't gonna like it when these stupid threads are based around him.
 

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