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No Factory Honda in AMA

guys....how many times did DMG change the rules package to try to give the factories what they wanted? The factories are the ones that walked away after DMG said enough is enough...these are the rules for '09......

No one knows how this will all end up....but comparing it to NASCAR is absurd....lets ALL wait until there are a few races and see what is actually happening...then start bashing....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Dec 16 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The outdoor series will be killed next year with their dumb ..., nobody does it, the world is laughing, one moto format.
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you've got to be kiddin me! were the hell did you here this?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (machmanzx10r @ Dec 17 2008, 05:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>guys....how many times did DMG change the rules package to try to give the factories what they wanted? The factories are the ones that walked away after DMG said enough is enough...these are the rules for '09......

No one knows how this will all end up....but comparing it to NASCAR is absurd....lets ALL wait until there are a few races and see what is actually happening...then start bashing....

This is a quote from an article about who was to blame for this mess and pretty much says it all

Even with that special additional notice given to Edmondson, MIC prime mover Blank maintains a lead in the madness index, if for no other reason than completely changing his position at least three times with no reasonable explanation other than maybe, "I just don't like the motherf--ker."

Here is the whole article

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34357
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Dec 16 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lexi
You always seem to have well thought out well written posts.


But I don't get how you can keep on defending this nimrod Edmonson and this silly amadmgnascar approach to racing. I don't like honda anymore then you but for a different reason. That would be their lack of support for riders that get crippled racing for them, but that is another argument.
You stated,some posts ago, that to suggest that a conspiracy could happen within ama was just paranoia.

Were you around when the British bikes were trying to race dirt track in the U.S.? Or when ama went to bat for harley to get the prices on jap bikes up to what a pos harley cost through tariffs? Conspiracies indeed by what ever name you want to call them.

Edmonson and the whatever you want to call it organization had racing in the U.S. on the ropes. The economy threw the knock out punch. The only thing left of the ama is the silly how far can you fly indoors series and outdoor mx. The outdoor series will be killed next year with their dumb ..., nobody does it, the world is laughing, one moto format.

I was suggesting at this time that the AMA is probably not going out of its way to injure the Japanese so there probably isn't a conspiracy by DMG/AMA.

I know the AMA has made a fool of itself in the past by intentionally embracing a nationalistic stance when writing the rules. I think it's obvious they threw that policy out the window many years ago b/c the only manufacturers in the series are the Japanese (more or less). Rightly or wrongly, I believe the Japanese have always been hypersensitive to nationalism by other domestic series' and in many ways they have put a fence around the racing series' they have conquered.

I don't believe that DMG are going out of their way to PROMOTE Buell or Ducati or KTM or Aprillia or any other small manufacturer. First, it's not DMG's style. Second, only a bone head would try to deliver titles to an American manufacturer when the Japanese manufacturers own (figuratively speaking) the sponsors and most of the privateer network.

DMG are about maximizing participation. Remember how pissed the fan base was when NASCAR let Toyota in? DMG don't care who is racing because their goal is to contain performance and cost with strict regulations. Max participation pulls in more fans and sponsors.

Edmonson knows enough about motorcycling to know that spec bike isn't feasible at this exact moment and it may not be the best way forward for the sport since it doesn't provide for a myriad of riding styles and rider setups, etc. Instead, Edmonson opted to control the performance of the engine in regards to machine/rider weight.

In effect DMG are trying a new type of spec racing that still has a healthy amount of variation. The purpose of the spec racing is to suppress cost and increase participation. Edmonson has gone out of his way to invite Buell, Ducati, Aprillia, KTM, Triumph but he hasn't attempted to hand them a title.

Furthermore, I believe a trend towards spec bike premier classes would be amazing. Why?

1. It is a racing model not currently used anywhere else on the globe so it's viewership and profit potential are extremely high if it is successful. It has the ability to make the AMA the premier racing league worldwide; especially if we head into a sustained economic downturn and sponsorship dollars wane.

2. It would accomplish the dreams of the American distributorship---an American sportsbike, built for Americans, to be ridden by Americans in America.

3. It reduces costs and encourages brand marketing

Imagine if the AMA commissioned the production of an American sportsbike and a few major motorcycle manufacturers decided to give it a whirl. It would be designed to hold a human being with an average height of 5'10 and weight of 175-180 lbs (WSBK and MotoGP seem to be creating smaller bikes all the time). The bike could be designed as a marketing device as well as a racing machine so it could be easy on the eyes and comfortable for competitors and consumers.

Personally I think it should be a 750 and just to make it interesting, it should be turbocharged and have no traction control. A turbocharged 750?
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Talk about a bike that would sell and be a 21st century beast on the track.
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Just thinking about a turbo 750 race bike is scary. I can't even imagine what it would be like to ride the thing.
 
The men in charge of American racing are ego driven pieces of ..... They have killed the series.
 
Again excellent reply lexi, but I will continue to agree with Jumkie's take.

Frosty, I have friends that work in the series and that is the rumor. There has been some smell of it in Cyclenews also.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Dec 17 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again excellent reply lexi, but I will continue to agree with Jumkie's take.

I don't disagree with Jumkie, either. I've also said that Edmonson should get a prize for being the first company director to nearly impair several million dollars in assets before DMG actually inked with the AMA.
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I think of all the egotists involved, Edmonson is the one who can turn the AMA back into a national series capable of attracting and producing world class talent. I happen to agree with his position on equipment parity, but the reality for everyone, like him or not, is that Edmonson brings with him the TV contracts, sponsorship dollars, and the support of the track owners.

I think all parties must be involved in building a new AMA that excites fans, riders, and the media.

DMG invested a good deal of money in the AMA b/c they believed they had the ideas and the capital to rebuild the series. In my opinion, they were owed at least one season of cooperation. If 2009 turned out to be a slightly embarrassing experiment, I'm sure DMG would have been eager to listen to the teams, riders, and distributors. Unfortunately, DMG was never given a chance, but I will admit they certainly didn't help their own cause.
 

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