Nakamoto reads powerslide

thedeal said:

Ive sat on the side lines and watched this for a while but have got to say Lex talks massive bollocks,and his ability to turn everything is awsome.

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Verily.

But I have to admire a bloke who thinks engines and 'electronics' are designed around the gearing, who has asserted that Titanium pistons exist on a couple of threads, who has to Google up the specs for Conrod steel, who went to the same source for the history of MV... and still expects to be taken seriously on tech matters.









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Dr No said:

Verily.

But I have to admire a bloke who thinks engines and 'electronics' are designed around the gearing, who has asserted that Titanium pistons exist on a couple of threads, who has to Google up the specs for Conrod steel, who went to the same source for the history of MV... and still expects to be taken seriously on tech matters.









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Sure, you and the deal can have a forum where you talk to each other.

mylexicon said:

Instead, Nakamoto tells everyone that MotoGP is not supposed to be fun to watch.

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Except that isn't what he said at all, which kind of raises the spectre of straw men.



viz: DN: Do you understand why spectators and journalists say that MotoGP is not as exciting as premier class racing was before?



SN:[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] I don't know. Sorry, I am not interested in this. [/font]

Dr No said:

I know, man. I was just messing with him. So easy to get him started on his usual tactics.

What I give him credit for is not the ........, it's the indefatiguability to keep going on and on and on and on. Round and Round and Round and Round.

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Its the gift, or talent that i spoke of. The ability to totally change his position without blinking an eye is one thing. Any ........ artist can do that. Getting the masses to nod in agreement after you have changed tack is the real talent. Of course in real life, unlike the internet, you dont get Goggle breaks in a debate. Until he shows up in person and demonstrates his uncanny ability to have infinite knowledge of any and all subjects, i will stick to my notion that he is a pretty smart guy who has mastered the art Goggle debate.

povol said:

Its the gift, or talent that i spoke of. The ability to totally change his position without blinking an eye is one thing. Any ........ artist can do that. Getting the masses to nod in agreement after you have changed tack is the real talent. Of course in real life, unlike the internet, you dont get Goggle breaks in a debate. Until he shows up in person and demonstrates his uncanny ability to have infinite knowledge of any and all subjects, i will stick to my notion that he is a pretty smart guy who has mastered the art Goggle debate.

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My debates/discussions are limited almost exclusively to socio-economics, my area of education and experience. Like many academic disciplines, socio-economics can be applied to a wide variety of subjects. In real life, debates are often scheduled, and people prepare for months in advance. If your 'real life' is a never-ending series of unresearched intellectual skirmishes, I'm sorry for your loss. According to your own ethos, you should not challenge me on socio-economic matters, nor should you hassle me for spoon-feeding Google to people who may not have prior exposure to the relevant information. For the benefit of all mankind, I disagree with your ethos.





[curtain rises]

mylexicon: It's 10-degrees Celcius. Water can't freeze. Maybe the hockey tournament should be moved from Tampa to Edmonton. What are the economic implications?



PS: It's 8-degress Celcius outside, moron!



mylexicon: My mistake. Not sure how I screwed it up. Doesn't change anything.



PS: Everything has changed b/c you can't read a thermometer, stupid!



mylexicon: Look! I see ice outside. Let's play hockey.



PS: There can't be any ice outside, dum-dum. It's 8-degrees Celcius outside, moron!



mylexicon: Okay, now that we are on the same page, maybe we should move the hockey game from Tampa to Edmonton



PS: You slippery, lying politician!! You'd be nothing without Google!!



[curtain falls]

Lex doesn't have totall recall of the myriad, ever changing and internally inconsistent national and international superbike regs? Say it isn't so. I don't know how he lives with himself.

michaelm said:

Lex doesn't have totall recall of the myriad, ever changing and internally inconsistent national and international superbike regs? Say it isn't so. I don't know how he lives with himself.

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No. But he does know everything about everything else, so it kinda sticks out a bit.



But he does 'know' of Titanium pistons, because he 'prefers' Titanium engine internals...

Goatboy said:

Well people keep saying we have celebrity mystery guests here.

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We do. Seriously!

Jumkie said:

We do. Seriously!

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We do. I am really Johnny Depp

Willski said:

We do. I am really Johnny Depp

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Charlie Sheen read PS for several years you know.

Dr No said:

No. But he does know everything about everything else, so it kinda sticks out a bit.



But he does 'know' of Titanium pistons, because he 'prefers' Titanium engine internals...

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Stock aluminum hi-tensile steel rods. Prototype titanium aluminum alloy pistons. All better. Doesn't really have any impact regarding the comparison between AMA and WSBK rules.



You have a problem with the notion of tuning the engines and gearing to suit individual tracks, which is a bit ludicrous, but I suspect you had already target-fixated on the materials mistake.

Dr No said:

mylexicon: It's 10-degrees Celcius. Water can't freeze. Maybe the hockey tournament should be moved from Tampa to Edmonton. What are the economic implications?



PS: Um, Lex that's a Farenheit scale thermometer.



mylexicon: blah blah blah blah

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Very nice.



That's what I get for trying to incorporate the metric system into my metaphors. I always knew the metric system was weak.

mylexicon said:

Stock aluminum hi-tensile steel rods. Prototype titanium aluminum alloy pistons. All better. Doesn't really have any impact regarding the comparison between AMA and WSBK rules.



You have a problem with the notion of tuning the engines and gearing to suit individual tracks, which is a bit ludicrous, but I suspect you had already target-fixated on the materials mistake.

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"Gearing isn't cheap for professional racing b/c the teams can build specialized gearboxes for each event. After the gearing decisions are made, the team tunes the engine and electronics to make the most of the gearing."

Putting words into people's mouths is an interesting tactic. But when they have your quote, it seems stupid. As stupid as the above comment.



On the topic of quotes, here's another:

" I've been told that major manufacturers have titanium or similar metallurgy for pistons as well."

My ragging on you re: Titanium was not concerning the AMA v WSBK rules (which you ...... up completely), it was this quote. Which you appear to have missed in your attempts to shift the argument.

mylexicon said:

My debates/discussions are limited almost exclusively to socio-economics, my area of education and experience. Like many academic disciplines, socio-economics can be applied to a wide variety of subjects. In real life, debates are often scheduled, and people prepare for months in advance. If your 'real life' is a never-ending series of unresearched intellectual skirmishes, I'm sorry for your loss. According to your own ethos, you should not challenge me on socio-economic matters, nor should you hassle me for spoon-feeding Google to people who may not have prior exposure to the relevant information. For the benefit of all mankind, I disagree with your ethos.

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If someone asked me for my interpretation of what you do this is what I would have said (I was going to say it anyway). You would seem to be someone who took double economics and sociology majors ( and probably did fairly well) and apply this to bike racing because it amuses you and you think it is somewhat relevant.



In can't say I always agree with your conclusions, but it is a novel and interesting (to me anyway) perspective, eloquently argued which is diverting in itself, and I believe definitely of relevance.



In the days when valentino was young and invincible it didn't matter what was done regarding the sport because his popularity, profile and deeds supervened, and all that was necessary was to ride the gravy train. What they do now, particularly with the tech regs, has significant socioeconomic consequences for the sport of which many of the involved parties seem unaware.

Jumkie said:

Charlie Sheen read PS for several years you know.

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Charlie Sheen can read?

michaelm said:

Lex doesn't have totall recall of the myriad, ever changing and internally inconsistent national and international superbike regs? Say it isn't so. I don't know how he lives with himself.

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He lives with himself? I can't say I'm surprised...

Willski said:

We do. I am really Johnny Depp

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I thought you were Jonny Deep - you know, the guy with the massive tackle?

Dr No said:

"Gearing isn't cheap for professional racing b/c the teams can build specialized gearboxes for each event. After the gearing decisions are made, the team tunes the engine and electronics to make the most of the gearing."

Putting words into people's mouths is an interesting tactic. But when they have your quote, it seems stupid. As stupid as the above comment.



On the topic of quotes, here's another:

" I've been told that major manufacturers have titanium or similar metallurgy for pistons as well."

My ragging on you re: Titanium was not concerning the AMA v WSBK rules (which you ...... up completely), it was this quote. Which you appear to have missed in your attempts to shift the argument.

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There is no difference between creating gearing/engine packages for each track, and creating an engine package to accentuate the desired gearing (selected for the track). It's the same thing. You're target fixating just as you are with the Ti pistons.



We all get it. You have an allergic reaction to anyone who mentions Ti and piston in the same sentence, though, you understand that the manufacturers have been using metal matrix composites and ceramics in racing engines since the 1980s. They used those materials (including Ti-based MMCs) for every engine component with varying degrees of success. MMCs and ceramics have been banned to focus on powder metallurgy. They have lightweight aerospace alloys at their disposal for every engine component.



I didn't botch the AMA vs. WSBK rules discussion. Unfortunately, I misinformed Cliche about the material of stock connecting rods and 1198R pistons. After shedding some light on the situation, you've gone psychotic as if these minor details represent a cosmic shift in the difference between AMA and WSBK rules.

michaelm said:

What they do now, particularly with the tech regs, has significant socioeconomic consequences for the sport of which many of the involved parties seem unaware.

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Precisely. However, my primary concern is that the people in this sport want bigger budgets, more wins, more championships, more viewers, more motorcycle sales, more sponsors, more commercial rights revenues, but they do not want responsibility. You ask Nakamoto about the entertainment product and the competition, but he plays dumb. You ask Ezpeleta about the importance of prototype technology, and he claims to preserve prototyping with spec tires, spec bore, spec displacement, spec ECU, rev limits, spec-Moto2-engines, production-Moto3-racebikes, etc.



As I've said before, I only come down on the MSMA b/c they have little to no leverage. The number of people who care about the technological aspects of the bikes are relatively few compared to the casual viewers who watch for personalities or entertainment. It it the MSMA's responsibility to keep the technological aspects alive, but they have put technology and free regulations on the verge of extinction.