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David Emmett is saying this year's honda motogp engine was a 90 degree V.
I don't hate marquez, I think he is a great talent. Not so keen on him torpedoing people during practice though.
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I don't hate Marquez either, on the contrary, I look forward to seeing him in motogp. I do hate the leniency with which he has been treated regarding quite a few on-track incidents. The lower classes, especially nowadays with so many youngster in there, should in my opinion also serve the purpose of teaching up-coming riders what is-, and what is not acceptable on-track behavior. I believe they have failed with Marquez in this matter, as they did with Simoncelli. Both received some punishment in the end, but too little, too late, and too inconsequential, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm also not convinced the machinery he's been riding was entirely according to the regulations. However, if that is really the case, I blame his team, and possibly whoever has been neglecting his job in finding out about such infringements.
I'm also not convinced the machinery he's been riding was entirely according to the regulations. However, if that is really the case, I blame his team, and possibly whoever has been neglecting his job in finding out about such infringements.
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IIRC he has a budget of around $4.5M. That gets you an awful lot of chassis and aero upgrades.
The engines are doled out by lot. Other than that, weight and fuel are scrutineered - there isn't a lot more to the regs. You can do what you want, as long as the engine stays locked up and you meet the minimums.
He isn't a midget, but he is light, he also seems to have Stoner's screw-the-throttle-to-the-stops attitude to treating the contact patch with disdain - his ride at Valencia from the back was simply stunning. He went from 33rd to 11th by the end of lap one, then just picked them off lap after lap at better than half a second a lap.
He says he saw a bike with the engine uncovered, and it looked like a 90 degree V. Opinions are opinions and everyone has them, but I find david quite credible about matters of fact. He may be mistaken, but if he thinks it looks like a 90 degree V then that is interesting and thanks to david for posting his observation. In the nature of things there is not going to be other evidence. No way are honda going to allow him to photograph the engine, and they seem to have been rather secretive about the 1000 engine in general; there is a quote from presiozi that honda haven't released any details about said engine including the angle of the V.
That a 90 degree V doesn't accord with your VSG theory is not (imo) a reason to disbelieve david, and a 90 degree V angle is far more traditional for honda than a narrow angle V4 anyway, particularly if there is to be a roadgoing version or a V4 superbike.
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So what does anyone really expect Nak to say? Ahhh yes!!! Honda is totally in control and picks the winners and losers? LOL I am glad they are still there after the mass exodus of riders and manufactures the past few years. Hopefully we will see GP the way it should be again soon.
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This is getting hilarious. Your back pedalling and post hoc re-rationalisations do you no favours.You spout crap, get challenged and repeat the counter-argument as your own.
And yes. Winning is a sign of success. LOL. Strange that.
Now go and read the Little Golden Book Of Race Engines. Child.
I expect Nakamoto to tell everyone that he is working with Dorna to improve the quality of the show, and to bring new manufacturers into the series so that MotoGP looks like a legitimate world championship, not a country club. I expect him to say that the MSMA are working to preserve technological innovation.
Instead, Nakamoto tells everyone that MotoGP is not supposed to be fun to watch. Then, Nakamoto refuses horsepower regulations to maintain real competition, while simultaneously implementing cost-cutting technical regulations at the directive of his Japanese corporate bosses. In 2014, fuel capacity will be reduced again. How does he explain the contradictory positions taken by his employers and the MSMA politicians? Honda do not cheat as badly as Ferrari.
I have trouble believing that Nakamoto is incapable of improving MotoGP, but he gives no indication to the contrary.
It is the opposite. I baited you into saying that MV Agusta were not successful b/c they didn't mind the business of manufacturing and racing motorcycles. I use clever word play to point out your argument, but somehow, you imagine that my words indicate that I am back-peddling. Back peddling to what? The idea that MV were not successful b/c they couldn't run a business in the long term and they couldn't adapt to the unintended consequences of the cylinder limitations?
Success is not synonymous with race wins or championship victories. Honda was the world's most successful motorcycle manufacturer long before they ever won a premier class GP title. The rules set I proposed does not punish success.
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I said that about MV? <headshake>
Clever wordplay? It's called Dissembling, and you got called on it.
The cylinder limitation thing makes me laugh. After all, at the behest of the Count, MV ran 3 cylinder 500 engines... it wasn't a cylinder limitation issue. But I've given up on arguing technology with ignorant moron who thinks AMA are limited to running "Aluminium Internals" and that road bikes run Aluminium rods. Oh Sorry, you clarified that. You spoke to a 'Tech' (AKA Google) and remembered only the aluminium bit of this technical discussion. Not a chance.
You continue to circle back on your own argument.
I suggest you .... off and find me some 'Titanium' (LOL) pistons.
I'm well aware that MV ran a 500cc triple. You, on the other hand, don't seem to understand that the cylinder limitations have less to do with the number of cylinder and more to do with the implementation of two-stroke technology in GP racing. MV was knocked from its competitive perch by two-stroke technology. Their run of 17 consecutive premier class titles was broken by a two-stroke Yamaha.
Why would I tell people that connecting rods are aluminum when information to the contrary is just a few keystrokes away? I obviously spoke to someone about the matter, but misremembered the content of the conversation. Furthermore, if you look up the tensile strength, hardness, density, etc of relatively common connecting rod steel like 4340 and compare it to aircraft grade aluminum, you'll see that the steel is about 3x stronger, 3x more dense, and cheaper, which makes my claims perfectly believable. You think this was all a coincidence? I tried to deceive everyone for no apparent reason, and then when someone points out that I am mistaken about the material, it just so happens that high tensile steel grades are comparable to aluminum at a given tensile stress level.
If you would ponder the implications of your claims, we could save ourselves a lot of time and energy. If you want to talk trash, just do it. You don't need to fabricate some nonsensical justification.
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Ahh. Lex.
Another two shining examples of your confused <being polite here> argument style.
1) you've regurgitated the point of my original MV post against me. Nice work. But a bit sad, really.
2) you're misrepresenting me concerning Aluminium conrods. I did not say that it was an unsuitable material. I dissed your assertion that street bikes have Ally conrods.
You 'misremembered', I get it. It still looks plain dumb...anyone throwing out numbers like 4340 is unlikely to mix up Ally and Steel.
But since Google is obviously your very good friend, find me those Titanium pistons
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Dude, i have been saying for years that ole Lex argued both sides of the fence. Its his way of saying he has never lost a debate. And yes, he is a Goggle fanatic. How else would an accountant know more about motorcycles, motorcycle sales, and motorcycle racing, than the guys who build them and race them. I will give him credit for being smart enough to ........ his way through life with Goggle as his guide. I have told him many times that he is wasting his talents, he would make a perfect politician.
The point you made was never in defense of your position. It was in defense of my position. I know you are aware of it, as I pointed out that I 'back peddled' to the notion that MV's success hinged on its leadership and business operations. I believe this was my original point, no? This discussion was mainly for my own amusement as it was obvious from the beginning that my position was easy to defend, especially using MV as a vehicle. You should come to grips with the situation. No amount of ad hominem ranting is going to change reality.
Unfortunately for me, during the course of our discussion you revealed that I was mistaken about the materials used for stock connecting rods (steel) and Ducati R pistons (not titanium). If I really sat around and googled my information, would I have been mistaken regarding these easily accessible bits of information? Your attacks are weak at best.
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I know, man. I was just messing with him. So easy to get him started on his usual tactics.
What I give him credit for is not the ........, it's the indefatiguability to keep going on and on and on and on. Round and Round and Round and Round.
If I slaughtered my dog, and then prepared it for dinner, would you tell me that I am an ....., even if I were a professional chef?
The MSMA have slaughtered man's-best-motorsport b/c they were hungry for a scooter technology R&D laboratory. You claim to be a dog-lover, but you have no idea that dogs are more useful to humans as live companions, not medium-well steaks. You argue that a PhD in zoology or food science is necessary to understand the situation.
I can't understand how to use something unless I have a PhD in misusing it? Damn, Povol. You are a hidden cache of wisdom.
Do you feel a creeping sense of revulsion towards the flippant metaphor? Perhaps you understand how unreasonable people in high places make my skin crawl. Doesn't matter how much education or experience they have.
Ive sat on the side lines and watched this for a while but have got to say Lex talks massive bollocks,and his ability to turn everything is awsome.
