Mugello Race Day

BarryMachine said:

You just need to stop with the pidgeonholing and open your eyes.

Thats why it appears to be double stanards to you, you attribute your thoughts to others without looking at what the others are saying ........ classic Bopper fault.

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You are:



A ) Trying to be ironic with that contradiction.



B ) A ....



C ) Both

The Moto 2 race was insane. Its a shame that second place battle was not for the lead

michaelm said:

I realised you were being sarcastic. At the moment they seem to have lost everything, as not only is the handling treacherous but the bike also does not seem to be fast in a straight line.



I have argued previously that they can't go back to the screamer because of the engine rules and the rev limits they necessitate, but they are getting close to having little to lose.

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i checked the charts on motogp and the ducati's have 10+kph more than any other manufacturer in some situations, barbera top speed was upto 20 kph quicker than other bikes which means ducati still have the fastest straight line speed.



stoner said the new motor was good with better torque at the beggining of season,we know the 800's make up most of there time carrying high corner speeds so i believe the problem here is riders confidence in the bike itself not the performance.



seems like they are back to hit or miss with setup.

Pleased as punch for Dani. He needed that win to boost his confidence. Broke another circuit record as well, Even I didn't see that coming.



Fair play to Dovi and Melandri for giving the Italians a good show. Also, props to Stoner for showing the patience and the diligence to wait for the right moment to attack.



What did everyone think of JLo's Vale-related antics? The sign was sweet but overall I don't think the Italian fans warmed up to it.



Also, I may be just paranoid, but I had the niggling feeling that Jorge 'held back' a bit and let Dani win? I dunno, just a thought.

The California Kid said:

Pretty ...... race in my opinion



Conspiracy theory#1 at Ducati They made Nicky Ride Casey's bike which explains Nicky losing the front and Casey finishing 4th

Good Job By Marco Melandri and RDP





Congrats to Dani, he was actually smiling and Puig was giving hugs WTF!

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Cali Kid

it s great to see your post.it provides a shot of good humor an unusual thing on this forum where most guys probably don't even know what sense of humor means.. I love your "theory" about Nicky getting stoner's bike. I get a kick out of it. That is funny. thumbs up to you.

Goatboy said:

You are:



A ) Trying to be ironic with that contradiction.



B ) A ....



C ) Both

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Where's the contradiction



the other two are just you sooking at me ... I expect a lot of that till Rossi is back. Meh thats MGP at the moment

inam said:

More Barry BS, hard to understand you Barry with all your emotions and i think some times you even don't make any sense to yourself let alone to any one else.

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Inam, what was so hard to understand? The 2007 Ducati as Barry said was a bike Stoner could win on. If it was the best bike others would have won on it too. This years bike seems to be a bike that no one can win on. Granted it is still early.



If you want to converse on a forum why not read what is said rather than just fall back to a default position of "Barry BS" Very weak mate. Also he used 2 emoticons - big deal.

inam said:

More Barry BS, hard to understand you Barry with all your emotions and i think some times you even don't make any sense to yourself let alone to any one else.

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If ducati had a better bike in 2007 and have a worse one now, that's motogp life and I have no complaint , and had no complaint when it seemed likely valentino had a better bike in 2008 and 2009. I have never contended that stoner is as versatile a rider as rossi, and it is now once again obvious that front end feel is critical for him. I do have a problem with ducati developing the bike away from their proven championship winning rider, as you would if yamaha had developed their bike to suit lorenzo or spies rather than rossi, particularly since the bike seems to suit nobody now except perhaps alex espargarro. This is tempered by stoner not being available for a significant part of last season as I said earlier.

Geonerd said:

No, I don't 'hate' Lorenzo.  I DO believe that much of what he does is consciously premeditated with the intent of 'playing' public opinion.  



Rossi broke his frigging leg.  He's not in a wheelchair, or six feet under.  In my book, you send the bloke a 'get well' card, say nice things about him at the press conference, and call it 'done.' 

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I'd be an ... to claim special insight into the working of Lorenzo's mindset today... but given that Rossi didn't merely

break his leg but had a tremendously traumatic degree of bone and tissue damage that will doubtless cost him

any chance at the championship - my personal guess is that Lorenzo (like any racer) will have experienced a sense

of loss, inasmuch as he has been deprived of his most formidable opponent. Recall Schwantz right after Rainey's

crash - before even knowing that Rainey was paralyzed. As much as they hated each other on the track - there

was always a sense of regard - for each other, knowing that they could race as closely and fiercely as they did.

Remember, that when Lorenzo was racing in the 250 class - he probably idolized (and respected) Rossi as much as any

other racer would have. Doubtless he wanted to beat Rossi more than anything in the world - but deep down inside,

the respect he felt before coming to the premiere class - didn't just evaporate instantly when he became Rossi's teammate.

That feeling of respect (were he to have won the championship without Rossi's hospitalization) would only have made the

victory that much sweeter.

TP70 said:

Inam, what was so hard to understand?

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I wouldn't worry about it TP, there seems a good supply of Boppers from the UK, who don't understand me. Must be my inadequate education, cos I know I wasn't born clever like these guys who need no education at all to "know stuff".



eg. They swear blind you can pinpoint a place on the surface of a track by using a gyroscopic device my education has told me otherwise is the case. There is still no such system in use to hlp them prove their case



They swear blind you skid a bike into a corner with the back brake to "back it in", all this they are dictating to me from their couches with a magazine open, and they refuse to try it for themselves I have stated my case on the matter.



Now they are telling what I said, even if its nothing to do with what I say X 5





I expect with Rossi out for a few rounds we will see an escalation of the incoherent sooking for a while ...... its their "modus operandi" ..... meh

Keshav said:

I'd be an ... to claim special insight into the working of Lorenzo's mindset today...

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look I'd give it up Keshav you are playing down Lorenzo's "showmanship" too much ...... plus when Lorenzo was asked about the yellow T shirt ....... he said ....... " It was green"









That was a joke

TP70 said:

Inam, what was so hard to understand? The 2007 Ducati as Barry said was a bike Stoner could win on. If it was the best bike others would have won on it too. This years bike seems to be a bike that no one can win on. Granted it is still early.



If you want to converse on a forum why not read what is said rather than just fall back to a default position of "Barry BS" Very weak mate. Also he used 2 emoticons - big deal.

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You need to pay bit more attention to the season so far and you will realise that Ducati's performance is not so bad, let start again from first race in Qatar : Stoner was half a seconed quicker compare to every one, did the fastest lap of the race and then bin it, not Ducati's fault is it?



2nd race in Jerez, every body knows that track doesn't suite Ducati.



3rd race in Le mans, very fast all weekend but again bit it on race day, see his interview after the race where he thought if he kept it on two wheels he had the chance to fight for victory.



4rd race in Mugello, he tested 2009 Ohlins forks, which abviously going the take some time to make all the adjustments but then again on race day Casey and Ducati went with soft rear tyre in 30c with the track temprature in the region of 45c.



What i am trying to say is that bike is still good its down to rider confidence and getting the setup right and in both department they are struggling at the moment.

jazkat said:

i checked the charts on motogp and the ducati's have 10+kph more than any other manufacturer in some situations, barbera top speed was upto 20 kph quicker than other bikes which means ducati still have the fastest straight line speed.



stoner said the new motor was good with better torque at the beggining of season,we know the 800's make up most of there time carrying high corner speeds so i believe the problem here is riders confidence in the bike itself not the performance.



seems like they are back to hit or miss with setup.

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i was going on casey's bike v the satellite hondas on the straights in this particular race. I would agree that stoner did not seem to have a disadvantage at qatar , but did not have a significant advantage that I could discern either. It is possible that they have dialled the bike down in the quest to solve the putative front-end problem.

This is getting like 07 all over a again ........



Rossi is out of the competition and the Boppers start the sooking again



Its wacko, the guy ( Stoner ) is in 8th place and they are still havng a hissy



Get over it guys, watch old Rossi rerunor something he'll be back shortly, its not the end of the world.

michaelm said:

If ducati had a better bike in 2007 and have a worse one now, that's motogp life and I have no complaint , and had no complaint when it seemed likely valentino had a better bike in 2008 and 2009. I have never contended that stoner is as versatile a rider as rossi, and it is now once again obvious that front end feel is critical for him. I do have a problem with ducati developing the bike away from their proven championship winning rider, as you would if yamaha had developed their bike to suit lorenzo or spies rather than rossi, particularly since the bike seems to suit nobody now except perhaps alex espargarro. This is tempered by stoner not being available for a significant part of last season as I said earlier.

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I suppose it should also be tempered with the thought that Ducati may well loose Casey after this season and they knew they had to offer any incoming pilot something other than the screamer that historically only Casey could ride competitively... Also durability of the screamer may have been a tempering factor as well...

geewhiz14 said:

Pleased as punch for Dani. He needed that win to boost his confidence. Broke another circuit record as well, Even I didn't see that coming.

Fair play to Dovi and Melandri for giving the Italians a good show. Also, props to Stoner for showing the patience and the diligence to wait for the right moment to attack.



What did everyone think of JLo's Vale-related antics? The sign was sweet but overall I don't think the Italian fans warmed up to it.



Also, I may be just paranoid, but I had the niggling feeling that Jorge 'held back' a bit and let Dani win? I dunno, just a thought.

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not too sure they did warm to the t-shirt, would have been interesting to see rossi morphine induced reaction to it!!!



I think it was a bit ott, but then jl is always a bit like that

Mick D said:

I suppose it should also be tempered with the thought that Ducati may well loose Casey after this season and they knew they had to offer any incoming pilot something other than the screamer that historically only Casey could ride competitively... Also durability of the screamer may have been a tempering factor as well...

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Sure, and as a stoner fan I really hope he already has an iron-clad deal with hrc, as on the evidence so far his marketability is not likely to be enhanced by this year's performance. I doubt the performance of this year's bike in the hands of others will attract many top riders to sign up either , though I am not discounting the possibility of nicky getting there eventually.

inam said:

So you guys are saying that when Casey won in 07, it wasn't down to Ducati at all, it was all Casey now when he is not winning, its not him, its all down to Ducati.........hmmm........double standards guys, you can't have it both ways, either give some credit to Ducati in 07 or don't put all the blame to Ducati now for Casey's poor start to the season so far.

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As opposed to you guys saying when he was winning it was all down to the bike, but now it is all down to him that he is not winning ?

BarryMachine said:

Where's the contradiction

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You said "stop pidgeonholing" & then called inam a "Bopper", that falls into the ironic category & classifies you as a .....

Goatboy said:

You said "stop pidgeonholing" & then called inam a "Bopper", that falls into the ironic category & classifies you as a .....

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With the exception that he produced false reason/evidence/........



Bopper ditto for you