Kevin Schwantz:
I guess, first of all, what I have heard and what I have seen is that Casey has been struggling with some type of an illness, whether it was a stomach bug or whatever at a bunch of the earlier, a couple of the earlier grands prix that I went to. Of course, the last one I went to in the Czech Republic, he wasn't there, and still with no form of illness that's been diagnosed by any doctors that I've heard anyway.
And as a rider, my gut feeling is Casey needs to be out there competing. This championship, when he made a tire choice at Donington that seemed to be a little bit off of the norm, had him right at the top of it. I mean, he didn't need to be making a gamble on tyres like that when he was in a championship hunt. For me, that kind of told me that there was something more going on with Casey than just, you know, "I don't really feel all that good but I'm finding a way to perform."
And for me, to have signed a contract whenever it was, beginning of last year, beginning of this year, you're signing a contract to compete unless something is medically wrong with you. I'm out there doing the best that I can. Whether I can give 100 percent every weekend or not is kind of the question. But for me it's a real disappointment, and I think, you know, Casey is a great competitor, and I think maybe a little bit more of this has to do with something behind the scenes that maybe none of us quite yet know about.
Maybe that's just some Stoner hard feelings towards Ducati or towards the series or, I don't exactly know what it could be. But to just decide you're going to skip three races and see if you feel any better at the end of it, to me, is a little bit out of the norm.
^^^I translate that to mean that Kevin, like many others, believes There is no mystery illness. Instead the illness may be psychosematic, or that there is some internal team friction we may never hear about.
I guess, first of all, what I have heard and what I have seen is that Casey has been struggling with some type of an illness, whether it was a stomach bug or whatever at a bunch of the earlier, a couple of the earlier grands prix that I went to. Of course, the last one I went to in the Czech Republic, he wasn't there, and still with no form of illness that's been diagnosed by any doctors that I've heard anyway.
And as a rider, my gut feeling is Casey needs to be out there competing. This championship, when he made a tire choice at Donington that seemed to be a little bit off of the norm, had him right at the top of it. I mean, he didn't need to be making a gamble on tyres like that when he was in a championship hunt. For me, that kind of told me that there was something more going on with Casey than just, you know, "I don't really feel all that good but I'm finding a way to perform."
And for me, to have signed a contract whenever it was, beginning of last year, beginning of this year, you're signing a contract to compete unless something is medically wrong with you. I'm out there doing the best that I can. Whether I can give 100 percent every weekend or not is kind of the question. But for me it's a real disappointment, and I think, you know, Casey is a great competitor, and I think maybe a little bit more of this has to do with something behind the scenes that maybe none of us quite yet know about.
Maybe that's just some Stoner hard feelings towards Ducati or towards the series or, I don't exactly know what it could be. But to just decide you're going to skip three races and see if you feel any better at the end of it, to me, is a little bit out of the norm.
^^^I translate that to mean that Kevin, like many others, believes There is no mystery illness. Instead the illness may be psychosematic, or that there is some internal team friction we may never hear about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Aug 21 2009, 04:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kevin Schwantz:
I guess, first of all, what I have heard and what I have seen is that Casey has been struggling with some type of an illness, whether it was a stomach bug or whatever at a bunch of the earlier, a couple of the earlier grands prix that I went to. Of course, the last one I went to in the Czech Republic, he wasn't there, and still with no form of illness that's been diagnosed by any doctors that I've heard anyway.
And as a rider, my gut feeling is Casey needs to be out there competing. This championship, when he made a tire choice at Donington that seemed to be a little bit off of the norm, had him right at the top of it. I mean, he didn't need to be making a gamble on tyres like that when he was in a championship hunt. For me, that kind of told me that there was something more going on with Casey than just, you know, "I don't really feel all that good but I'm finding a way to perform."
And for me, to have signed a contract whenever it was, beginning of last year, beginning of this year, you're signing a contract to compete unless something is medically wrong with you. I'm out there doing the best that I can. Whether I can give 100 percent every weekend or not is kind of the question. But for me it's a real disappointment, and I think, you know, Casey is a great competitor, and I think maybe a little bit more of this has to do with something behind the scenes that maybe none of us quite yet know about.
Maybe that's just some Stoner hard feelings towards Ducati or towards the series or, I don't exactly know what it could be. But to just decide you're going to skip three races and see if you feel any better at the end of it, to me, is a little bit out of the norm.
^^^I translate that to mean that Kevin, like many others, believes There is no mystery illness. Instead the illness may be psychosematic, or that there is some internal team friction we may never hear about.
Seems pretty obvious there is more to this. Mamola's interview on the BBC on Sunday was a dead giveaway - he obviously knew more than he was trying not to let on.
I guess, first of all, what I have heard and what I have seen is that Casey has been struggling with some type of an illness, whether it was a stomach bug or whatever at a bunch of the earlier, a couple of the earlier grands prix that I went to. Of course, the last one I went to in the Czech Republic, he wasn't there, and still with no form of illness that's been diagnosed by any doctors that I've heard anyway.
And as a rider, my gut feeling is Casey needs to be out there competing. This championship, when he made a tire choice at Donington that seemed to be a little bit off of the norm, had him right at the top of it. I mean, he didn't need to be making a gamble on tyres like that when he was in a championship hunt. For me, that kind of told me that there was something more going on with Casey than just, you know, "I don't really feel all that good but I'm finding a way to perform."
And for me, to have signed a contract whenever it was, beginning of last year, beginning of this year, you're signing a contract to compete unless something is medically wrong with you. I'm out there doing the best that I can. Whether I can give 100 percent every weekend or not is kind of the question. But for me it's a real disappointment, and I think, you know, Casey is a great competitor, and I think maybe a little bit more of this has to do with something behind the scenes that maybe none of us quite yet know about.
Maybe that's just some Stoner hard feelings towards Ducati or towards the series or, I don't exactly know what it could be. But to just decide you're going to skip three races and see if you feel any better at the end of it, to me, is a little bit out of the norm.
^^^I translate that to mean that Kevin, like many others, believes There is no mystery illness. Instead the illness may be psychosematic, or that there is some internal team friction we may never hear about.
Seems pretty obvious there is more to this. Mamola's interview on the BBC on Sunday was a dead giveaway - he obviously knew more than he was trying not to let on.
Lets re cap on what i said in previous threads and was flamed by most.
A. stoner better be careful or ducati will get tired of him especially now the bike is becoming more usable.
B. Philip Morris (marlboro) will not like a "sickboy" being the image of of there product. Doesn't make good advertising for a product that's bad for you. Tobacco adverts never used a coughing old man with an oxygen bottle by his side as to advertise. They always use young healthy beautiful people. Philip morris are the real money men in this team. They use this team to sell there cancer sticks. They need a good image to do this.
Im not stoner bashing here. Im being realistic.
A. stoner better be careful or ducati will get tired of him especially now the bike is becoming more usable.
B. Philip Morris (marlboro) will not like a "sickboy" being the image of of there product. Doesn't make good advertising for a product that's bad for you. Tobacco adverts never used a coughing old man with an oxygen bottle by his side as to advertise. They always use young healthy beautiful people. Philip morris are the real money men in this team. They use this team to sell there cancer sticks. They need a good image to do this.
Im not stoner bashing here. Im being realistic.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (howard @ Aug 21 2009, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seems pretty obvious there is more to this. Mamola's interview on the BBC on Sunday was a dead giveaway - he obviously knew more than he was trying not to let on.
Like everyone else who is attempting to answer a question put to them without verifiable facts all they do is speculate.
So until the truth comes out that’s all it is,
The other side is there are those offering open statements hoping to score points by being able to say I told you so. These statements are generally slanted by the bias of their author
Like everyone else who is attempting to answer a question put to them without verifiable facts all they do is speculate.
So until the truth comes out that’s all it is,
The other side is there are those offering open statements hoping to score points by being able to say I told you so. These statements are generally slanted by the bias of their author
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Aug 21 2009, 05:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kevin Schwantz:
................Maybe that's just some Stoner hard feelings towards Ducati or towards the series or, I don't exactly know what it could be. But to just decide you're going to skip three races and see if you feel any better at the end of it, to me, is a little bit out of the norm.
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I think this is the interesting part. If Stoner unilaterally decided to stop, as it seems, it can be seen like a kind of strike on the part of the rider...
Now, either Casey is going nuts, or what could Ducati have done to disgruntle him to this point?
................Maybe that's just some Stoner hard feelings towards Ducati or towards the series or, I don't exactly know what it could be. But to just decide you're going to skip three races and see if you feel any better at the end of it, to me, is a little bit out of the norm.
.....................
I think this is the interesting part. If Stoner unilaterally decided to stop, as it seems, it can be seen like a kind of strike on the part of the rider...
Now, either Casey is going nuts, or what could Ducati have done to disgruntle him to this point?
^^^I translate that to mean that Kevin, like many others, believes There is no mystery illness. Instead the illness may be psychosematic, or that there is some internal team friction we may never hear about.
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I don't disagree with the likelihood of internal team friction, or with roger's assessment of the sponsorship issues, but anaemia even if relatively minor is rather unlikely to be psychosomatic in aetiology.
The medical professionals usually involved and cited in relation to motogp are mostly and quite appropriately surgeons, often orthopedists, but not necessarily however brilliant expert in internal medicine.
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I don't disagree with the likelihood of internal team friction, or with roger's assessment of the sponsorship issues, but anaemia even if relatively minor is rather unlikely to be psychosomatic in aetiology.
The medical professionals usually involved and cited in relation to motogp are mostly and quite appropriately surgeons, often orthopedists, but not necessarily however brilliant expert in internal medicine.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 21 2009, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^I translate that to mean that Kevin, like many others, believes There is no mystery illness. Instead the illness may be psychosematic, or that there is some internal team friction we may never hear about.
I don't disagree with the likelihood of internal team friction, or with roger's assessment of the sponsorship issues, but anaemia even if relatively minor is rather unlikely to be psychosomatic in aetiology.
The medical professionals usually involved and cited in relation to motogp are mostly and quite appropriately surgeons, often orthopedists, but not necessarily however brilliant expert in internal medicine.
I've been wondering when this was going to occur to someone. Having dealt with chronic
fatigue and all the viral issues involved I have tried to not respond to too many of the
posts dealing with this - 'cause I get too emotionally involved and write forever. So
I will say in brief, that doctors out there with even a fundamental grasp of this illness
are few and far between. Most of those who claim to know how to treat it are quacks.
The internet is crammed with online support groups peopled by folks who've been
looking for relief from this illness for years - without real success.
I don't disagree with the likelihood of internal team friction, or with roger's assessment of the sponsorship issues, but anaemia even if relatively minor is rather unlikely to be psychosomatic in aetiology.
The medical professionals usually involved and cited in relation to motogp are mostly and quite appropriately surgeons, often orthopedists, but not necessarily however brilliant expert in internal medicine.
I've been wondering when this was going to occur to someone. Having dealt with chronic
fatigue and all the viral issues involved I have tried to not respond to too many of the
posts dealing with this - 'cause I get too emotionally involved and write forever. So
I will say in brief, that doctors out there with even a fundamental grasp of this illness
are few and far between. Most of those who claim to know how to treat it are quacks.
The internet is crammed with online support groups peopled by folks who've been
looking for relief from this illness for years - without real success.
I am baffled by the Stoner issue. I would like to see the mamola interview if you guys have a link.
Here is something to gnaw on: How does Stoner fit in the Silly Season shuffle.. I haven't been able to post for a few days but you have to figure that some team would want him to push their bike. Even if the his issues is in his head... Stoner can ride.....
Here is something to gnaw on: How does Stoner fit in the Silly Season shuffle.. I haven't been able to post for a few days but you have to figure that some team would want him to push their bike. Even if the his issues is in his head... Stoner can ride.....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Aug 21 2009, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How does Stoner fit in the Silly Season shuffle.. I haven't been able to post for a few days but you have to figure that some team would want him to push their bike. Even if the his issues is in his head... Stoner can ride.....
I personally don't believe Stoner will be pushed out until after 2010. At that point I think he will find his way into the Repsol Honda garage.
I personally don't believe Stoner will be pushed out until after 2010. At that point I think he will find his way into the Repsol Honda garage.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Aug 22 2009, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner has breached his contract. I think Ducati can do whatever they want.
How has he breached his contract?
If you allude to his missing a race as a breach of contract, than across the years many riders would have breached their contracts as they sat out races due to injury.
An illness is an injury and whether you wish to believe it or not, at this point the public are not being told but what is to say that those that need to know, have not been told the true extents.
What is to say that Ducati have not breached their contract with Stoner by failing to provide a duty of care to their employee and it is this that has caused the illness?
Garry
How has he breached his contract?
If you allude to his missing a race as a breach of contract, than across the years many riders would have breached their contracts as they sat out races due to injury.
An illness is an injury and whether you wish to believe it or not, at this point the public are not being told but what is to say that those that need to know, have not been told the true extents.
What is to say that Ducati have not breached their contract with Stoner by failing to provide a duty of care to their employee and it is this that has caused the illness?
Garry
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 22 2009, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How has he breached his contract?
If you allude to his missing a race as a breach of contract, than across the years many riders would have breached their contracts as they sat out races due to injury.
An illness is an injury and whether you wish to believe it or not, at this point the public are not being told but what is to say that those that need to know, have not been told the true extents.
What is to say that Ducati have not breached their contract with Stoner by failing to provide a duty of care to their employee and it is this that has caused the illness?
Garry
great point gaz, as i said in another thread, ducati like to give there riders lots of pr dutys ontop of there normal riding dutys.. if this has caused stoners stress/illness and ducati failed to see this or act when early signs appeared then they did indeed fail in there common law duty of care towards him.
If you allude to his missing a race as a breach of contract, than across the years many riders would have breached their contracts as they sat out races due to injury.
An illness is an injury and whether you wish to believe it or not, at this point the public are not being told but what is to say that those that need to know, have not been told the true extents.
What is to say that Ducati have not breached their contract with Stoner by failing to provide a duty of care to their employee and it is this that has caused the illness?
Garry
great point gaz, as i said in another thread, ducati like to give there riders lots of pr dutys ontop of there normal riding dutys.. if this has caused stoners stress/illness and ducati failed to see this or act when early signs appeared then they did indeed fail in there common law duty of care towards him.
I hope this isn't true and the case with Casey.
it will be a great loss for Motogp and it's fans.
maybe this is all speculation, I wait untill it's officially confirmed.
Oh ...., is that why Ducati is going for Lorenzo? well we just have to wait, I dont know why these guys say these things.
Stay in Motogp Casey Please !
if he goes away we wont have much fights in Motogp, or a lot less than now.
it will be a great loss for Motogp and it's fans.
maybe this is all speculation, I wait untill it's officially confirmed.
Oh ...., is that why Ducati is going for Lorenzo? well we just have to wait, I dont know why these guys say these things.
Stay in Motogp Casey Please !
if he goes away we wont have much fights in Motogp, or a lot less than now.
I think Ducati will tread very lightly on the Stoner issue. Any other team could pick him up and have a potential world champion on board from day one. He is a serious challenge to anyone at this level. To deny that is illogical.
Stoner returns in primo condition and remains the only threat to beat Rossi every race. Stoner stays sick and is done. I prefer the former.
Anyone that distinguishes between mental and physical illness is a moron. They are the same thing. The individual is sick. Swantz is from an era that considered mental illness a weakness. This kind of opinion is horribly provincial and ignorant of modern medical knowledge.
I eagerly wait Mr. Stoners return.
Stoner returns in primo condition and remains the only threat to beat Rossi every race. Stoner stays sick and is done. I prefer the former.
Anyone that distinguishes between mental and physical illness is a moron. They are the same thing. The individual is sick. Swantz is from an era that considered mental illness a weakness. This kind of opinion is horribly provincial and ignorant of modern medical knowledge.
I eagerly wait Mr. Stoners return.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 22 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossiofsky & gsfan, ur posts wer right on (assuming rossiofsky was not being sarcastic, wasnt sure). Anyway, yeah losing Stoner would be a big deal.
Would be a shame for sure but this sport doesnt rely on one man alone. There is plenty of deserving tallent waiting in the wings. The show will go on regardless.
Would be a shame for sure but this sport doesnt rely on one man alone. There is plenty of deserving tallent waiting in the wings. The show will go on regardless.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 22 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Ducati will tread very lightly on the Stoner issue. Any other team could pick him up and have a potential world champion on board from day one. He is a serious challenge to anyone at this level. To deny that is illogical.
Stoner returns in primo condition and remains the only threat to beat Rossi every race. Stoner stays sick and is done. I prefer the former.
Anyone that distinguishes between mental and physical illness is a moron. They are the same thing. The individual is sick. Swantz is from an era that considered mental illness a weakness. This kind of opinion is horribly provincial and ignorant of modern medical knowledge.
I eagerly wait Mr. Stoners return.
Agree 100%. Absent Stoner, this becomes the Rossi Racing League. It will become about as exciting as NASCAR or "Professional" wrestling in the US. When you have only two or three riders in a 15 bike field who can actually compete you're simply not going to gain the respect or admiration deserving of a World Championship premier title.
I like Rossi, I think he's probably the GOAT but that doesn't make his wins any more fun to watch. I healthy Stoner will almost always be in contention. Lets hope he makes a speedy return preferably on the Ducati.
Stoner returns in primo condition and remains the only threat to beat Rossi every race. Stoner stays sick and is done. I prefer the former.
Anyone that distinguishes between mental and physical illness is a moron. They are the same thing. The individual is sick. Swantz is from an era that considered mental illness a weakness. This kind of opinion is horribly provincial and ignorant of modern medical knowledge.
I eagerly wait Mr. Stoners return.
Agree 100%. Absent Stoner, this becomes the Rossi Racing League. It will become about as exciting as NASCAR or "Professional" wrestling in the US. When you have only two or three riders in a 15 bike field who can actually compete you're simply not going to gain the respect or admiration deserving of a World Championship premier title.
I like Rossi, I think he's probably the GOAT but that doesn't make his wins any more fun to watch. I healthy Stoner will almost always be in contention. Lets hope he makes a speedy return preferably on the Ducati.
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