MotoGP Lineup 2025.

#22 · Oct 30, 2023

I know this is very early, but given it is usually quiet over the winter here it will give us something to talk about, and as EVERY rider bar Brad Binder & Johann Zarco is out of contract, I think it has the potential to be one of the most exciting rider market seasons in memory.

So as a reminder (bold is confirmed):

Lenovo Ducati
Francesco Bagnaia (Almost certain to be extended)
Enea Bastiannini

Red Bull KTM
Brad Binder
Jack Miller

Aprilia Racing
Aleix Espargaro
Maverick Vinales

Repsol Honda
Joan Mir
?

Monster Yamaha
Fabio Quartararo
Alex Rins

Gas Gas
Augusto Fernandez
Pedro Acosta

Pramac Ducati
Jorge Martin
Franco Morbidelli

VR46 Ducati
Marco Bezzechi
Luca Marini (Likely to be retained as his half brother owns the team)

Gresini Ducati
Alex Marquez
Marc Marquez

RNF Aprilia
Miguel Oliveira
Raul Fernandez

LCR Honda
Johann Zarco
Takaagi Nakagami

3rd KTM Team (Husqvarna?)
?
?

For me the main takeaways are:

Where will Marc Marquez be for 2025?
Will Jorge Martin be promoted to the factory Ducati team? If not, where will he go?
Will Fabio Quartararo leave Yamaha?
Will any seats be free at Aprilia? Aleix has said this contract would be his last, but I have my doubts.
Will KTM and Yamaha get a 3rd/2nd team respectively?

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 30, 2023

#22 said:
I know this is very early, but given it is usually quiet over the winter here it will give us something to talk about, and as EVERY rider bar Brad Binder & Johann Zarco is out of contract, I think it has the potential to be one of the most exciting rider market seasons in memory.

So as a reminder (bold is confirmed):

Lenovo Ducati
Francesco Bagnaia (Almost certain to be extended)
Enea Bastiannini

Red Bull KTM
Brad Binder
Jack Miller

Aprilia Racing
Aleix Espargaro
Maverick Vinales

Repsol Honda
Joan Mir
?

Monster Yamaha
Fabio Quartararo
Alex Rins

Gas Gas
Augusto Fernandez
Pedro Acosta

Pramac Ducati
Jorge Martin
Franco Morbidelli

VR46 Ducati
Marco Bezzechi
Luca Marini (Likely to be retained as his half brother owns the team)

Gresini Ducati
Alex Marquez
Marc Marquez

RNF Aprilia
Miguel Oliveira
Raul Fernandez

LCR Honda
Johann Zarco
Takaagi Nakagami

3rd KTM Team (Husqvarna?)
?
?

For me the main takeaways are:

Where will Marc Marquez be for 2025?
Will Jorge Martin be promoted to the factory Ducati team? If not, where will he go?
Will Fabio Quartararo leave Yamaha?
Will any seats be free at Aprilia? Aleix has said this contract would be his last, but I have my doubts.
Will KTM and Yamaha get a 3rd/2nd team respectively?

Things I'd like to see. Enea at yamaha. I think he still has a lot of upside but needs a change. There or Husqvarna. Martin will obviously be at Duc. Everyone is all about Marc leaving Ducati but I'd like to see him end up pramac on a factory duc. I want to see him get 9 & 10 and thats his best bet. People seem to think ducati wouldn't like that but if next season goes well than why not? Fabio to aprillia or ktm not Marc. Honda if they stick around will be throwing bags at Fabio, bez, and possibly Enea imo. But Fabio isn't going to leave for anything but a potentially winning bike.

#22 · Oct 30, 2023

I have to agree about Marc, as much as I'd love to see him at Red Bull KTM with Bindah.

If Marc is outperforming most, if not all the factory riders next yr (and I realize as I type this, that's a big IF, but something we have to consider), then can Ducati afford to let him go?

This won't be a "he's done good on a yr old bike but would he adjust to factory?" Situation, he'd be a known quantity.

Interesting about Fabio, I'd bet on Aprilia if they have a slot purely because I think, apart from Marc, KTM would promote from within rather than get an outside rider now with the junior talent they have.
If Marc ends up there, I think that would be at Red Bulls behest more than KTM.

Interesting points about Enea and Honda. It's to be seen if thr latter focuses on Mir as their future and focuses on a good development team mate. If Marc can't win on it, I can't see them signing anyone else who could at the moment.

mikesbytes · Oct 30, 2023

Most likely it will kick off with who gets who of the most likely riders to win a championship, which currently looks like Bagnaia, Martin, Bezzecchi based on the 2023 championship. Add to that M Marquez and Quartararo based on past reputation

Budget will probably limit most factories to 1 of the top riders each however Ducati will probably get 2 championship contenders

What's the view on Mir? A world champion who has had his day or a potential for the championship given the right bike?

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 30, 2023

mikesbytes said:
Most likely it will kick off with who gets who of the most likely riders to win a championship, which currently looks like Bagnaia, Martin, Bezzecchi based on the 2023 championship. Add to that M Marquez and Quartararo based on past reputation

Budget will probably limit most factories to 1 of the top riders each however Ducati will probably get 2 championship contenders

What's the view on Mir? A world champion who has had his day or a potential for the championship given the right bike?

I don't think all that highly of Mir or his championship. With that said though he does have the qualities to build a bike around. He is smooth and likes high corner speeds. He reminds me a bit of Pedrosa.

warthog1 · Oct 30, 2023

I see Marc at KTM too. That 1 year deal on a satellite bike. They have been trying to get him and yeah the red bull link. Interested to see how he compares to Binder if it eventuates. Pedro will have been on a MotoGP bike for a year by then too.

Fab on an Aprilia would be interesting too. Don't see Yam or Honda being competitive until the rules change tbh.

PRS717 · Oct 30, 2023

warthog1 said:
Fab on an Aprilia would be interesting too. Don't see Yam or Honda being competitive until the rules change tbh.

So A. Espargaro retires and Fabio goes to Aprilia and is once again Mav's teammate. That would be rich, especially if Fabio regularly outperforms him and I think he would.

mikesbytes · Oct 30, 2023

I can't see Miller being on a factory bike in 2025 unless its HRC

Keshav · Oct 31, 2023

#22 said:
I have to agree about Marc, as much as I'd love to see him at Red Bull KTM with Bindah.

If Marc is outperforming most, if not all the factory riders next yr (and I realize as I type this, that's a big IF, but something we have to consider), then can Ducati afford to let him go?

This won't be a "he's done good on a yr old bike but would he adjust to factory?" Situation, he'd be a known quantity.

Interesting about Fabio, I'd bet on Aprilia if they have a slot purely because I think, apart from Marc, KTM would promote from within rather than get an outside rider now with the junior talent they have.
If Marc ends up there, I think that would be at Red Bulls behest more than KTM.

Interesting points about Enea and Honda. It's to be seen if thr latter focuses on Mir as their future and focuses on a good development team mate. If Marc can't win on it, I can't see them signing anyone else who could at the moment.

I seriously can't imagine anyone thinking that Mir is any factory's future.

Keshav · Oct 31, 2023

Occurs to me, the way riders could influence HRC to improve the bike, would be if everyone refused to ride for them.

#22 · Oct 31, 2023

I can't see them having much of a turnaround in the first half of next season, which is when most rider contracts are agreed. However if they throw enough cash at someone like Oliveira then I see that happening.

Ducati insist they have no plans (currently) for Marc beyond 2024.

Ducati insist “no plans” beyond Marc Marquez’s one-year contract

PRS717 · Oct 31, 2023

#22 said:
Ducati insist they have no plans (currently) for Marc beyond 2024.

If/when Marc gets wins/podiums their tune will change but that begs the question; If Marc shines next year how far will Ducati go to try and retain him? Certainly Marc will not want less than a factory seat. Other mfg's will also take notice. In the end, someone is going to be on the outside looking in as far as factory seats are concerned. Gresini is a means to get back on a factory ride with a mfg who doesn't have their heads up their arses.

#22 · Oct 31, 2023

I agree. As Gigi said some time ago "Why would you NOT want Marc on your bike? If he is winning, then he isn't winning for another manufacturer"

I still think the smart bet is on him going to RedBull, but it could be an interesting tug of war.

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 31, 2023

#22 said:
I agree. As Gigi said some time ago "Why would you NOT want Marc on your bike? If he is winning, then he isn't winning for another manufacturer"

I still think the smart bet is on him going to RedBull, but it could be an interesting tug of war.

If the tug of war is between redbull and Ducati than I suspect Marc will stay with Ducati. If ducati is still the best bike on the grid, he will chose winning over money. He has proved that with his move this year.

#22 · Oct 31, 2023

The interesting thing for me, would be if Martin and Marquez (Pramac and Gresini respectively) beat BOTH factory Ducati's...would both the Beast AND Pecco get replaced for 2025?

Crazier things have happened.

EDIT: I realise that is a HUGE hypothetical. But given Pecco has crashed 5 times this yr, it's not onconcievable that a consistent scorer on a Gresini would be ahead.

mikesbytes · Oct 31, 2023

#22 said:
I can't see them having much of a turnaround in the first half of next season, which is when most rider contracts are agreed. However if they throw enough cash at someone like Oliveira then I see that happening.

Ducati insist they have no plans (currently) for Marc beyond 2024.

Ducati insist “no plans” beyond Marc Marquez’s one-year contract

Oliveria is on a 2022 Aprilia. Being on a previous year bike might add another incentive to Oliveria to shift to HRC

#22 said:
I agree. As Gigi said some time ago "Why would you NOT want Marc on your bike? If he is winning, then he isn't winning for another manufacturer"

I still think the smart bet is on him going to RedBull, but it could be an interesting tug of war.

Another possibility is that Gresini switches to KTM for 2025 and if Marc stays there then Red Bull money would enable KTM to run 4 full factory supported bikes like Ducati currently does

JFM01 · Nov 5, 2023

I'm quite sure there will be more than one rookie in MotoGP in 2025 as there should be several riders under massive pressure next year.
Jack will have to improve a ton. At the start of this season he wasn't that far behind Brad but now he's nowhere near him. During the Thai GP I only noticed during the penultimate lap that Jack was even in the race.
Acosta would be the likely replacement if next season is Jack's last one for KTM.
Augusto had a great start to the season but ever since he was confirmed to stay for 2024 his season deteriorated.
Raul has improved a bit lately, hopefully he can build on this.
I don't know if he's still suffering from pain related to his leg injury but Bastianini hasn't been impressive at all since his comeback. I could see him getting replaced, most likely by Bez, but if that happens I still think he'll stay in the Ducati camp.
If thinks go well for Marc at Gresini I would bet on him staying there and potentially becoming a part-owner.
I hope Fabio stays at Yamaha and they try to get back to the top together. The more recent races have been positive.

MdubSTYLIE · Nov 5, 2023

JFM01 said:
I'm quite sure there will be more than one rookie in MotoGP in 2025 as there should be several riders under massive pressure next year.
Jack will have to improve a ton. At the start of this season he wasn't that far behind Brad but now he's nowhere near him. During the Thai GP I only noticed during the penultimate lap that Jack was even in the race.
Acosta would be the likely replacement if next season is Jack's last one for KTM.
Augusto had a great start to the season but ever since he was confirmed to stay for 2024 his season deteriorated.
Raul has improved a bit lately, hopefully he can build on this.
I don't know if he's still suffering from pain related to his leg injury but Bastianini hasn't been impressive at all since his comeback. I could see him getting replaced, most likely by Bez, but if that happens I still think he'll stay in the Ducati camp.
If thinks go well for Marc at Gresini I would bet on him staying there and potentially becoming a part-owner.
I hope Fabio stays at Yamaha and they try to get back to the top together. The more recent races have been positive.

I agree with everything but the bold. I think Bez will stay with VR. The rumor has been that the VR46 will switch to yamaha. I see him ending up there. Either factory yamaha or still at VR46.

#22 · Nov 5, 2023

I cannot see Jack being at KTM in 25, unless they bring the Husqvarna brand in and offer him a ride there. The Beast cannot have another season like this either.
Bezz is a wildcard atm because of the question mark about if VR46 go to Yamaha. I think, aside from him, the two major curveballs will be Marquez and Acosta. Depending how their seasons go, will be very defining for the 25 grid.

mikesbytes · Nov 5, 2023

There's so many variables at this point that its hard to predict, what we guess today may well be very different to what we predict in 6 months time
1. Nakagami retires
2. Miller moves to either a Satellite team or HRC
3. Bastainini fails to recover and moves to WSBK
4. M Marquez moves to Factory Ducati
5. Quartaro moves to Factory Aprillia
6. Acosta moves to Factory KTM
7. Morbidelli looses his ride at Pramac Ducati (does he have a 1 year contract?)
8. Olivera moves to HRC
9. If di Giannantonio gets the 2024 HRC ride then he looses his seat

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