MOTOGP IS A FUKING JOKE!!!! NOT EVEN WORTH WATCHING

I dont really give a ... what u think i just am saying that its .... now the 990's where the only time motogp was at its best, where u sat on the egde of your seat in some sort of adrenaline high while the riders where in a couple of 100th of a second between each other...

Now its watch the first 5 laps and where the riders are they stay, its just the gap that fluctuates...

Its simple i use to love it now i hate it


.... YOU DORNA

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mekizo @ Apr 21 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont really give a ... what u think i just am saying that its .... now the 990's where the only time motogp was at its best, where u sat on the egde of your seat in some sort of adrenaline high while the riders where in a couple of 100th of a second between each other...

Now its watch the first 5 laps and where the riders are they stay, its just the gap that fluctuates...

Its simple i use to love it now i hate it


.... YOU DORNA


K see ya.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mekizo @ Apr 21 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont really give a ... what u think i just am saying that its .... now the 990's where the only time motogp was at its best, where u sat on the egde of your seat in some sort of adrenaline high while the riders where in a couple of 100th of a second between each other...

Now its watch the first 5 laps and where the riders are they stay, its just the gap that fluctuates...

Its simple i use to love it now i hate it


.... YOU DORNA

You can watch wsbk..

i think its better this season than it was last season. we have always had break away riders at some tracks even in the 990 days.
as for F1, thats got a lot better no tc has gone

maybe you should try your hand at some racing or a few track days, may help you appreciate it more.

Traction control needs to go.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Apr 21 2008, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Traction control needs to go.

Engine braking too.
The bikes can stop so late now that overtaking is becoming more difficult.

Banning both has at least made F1 a little more watchable because of the occasional mistake.
Problem is a mistake in Motogp tends to be a little more serious.
I'm not convinced it's going to make the racing closer though because every race weekend there seems to be one or two riders that have a pace advantage over their rivals. It's not always the same guys but it does tend to space out the field at the front. Breakaways are then inevitable as it's usually part of a mid race strategy to demoralise the opposition.
I'm not sure what the answer is to close up the racing, but I guess things are worth trying.
Having said that I don't find it boring to see someone break the field. Stoner, Pedrosa & Lorenzo have all broken the back of the chasing pack over the last 3 races and I still enjoyed them all immensely.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Apr 21 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Engine braking too.
The bikes can stop so late now that overtaking is becoming more difficult.

Banning both has at least made F1 a little more watchable because of the occasional mistake.
Problem is a mistake in Motogp tends to be a little more serious.
I'm not convinced it's going to make the racing closer though because every race weekend there seems to be one or two riders that have a pace advantage over their rivals. It's not always the same guys but it does tend to space out the field at the front. Breakaways are then inevitable as it's usually part of a mid race strategy to demoralise the opposition.
I'm not sure what the answer is to close up the racing, but I guess things are worth trying.
Having said that I don't find it boring to see someone break the field. Stoner, Pedrosa & Lorenzo have all broken the back of the chasing pack over the last 3 races and I still enjoyed them all immensely.

What do you mean about removing engine braking?
At the start of the new 4 stroke engines one of the more problematic obstacles to overcome where all the engine braking. That caused a further develpment of the slipper clutch allready used in SBK. Today they use both slipper clutch and idle rev adjustment to minimize the effects of engine braking. So it's hard to understand what you mean by removing engine braking, they are working as hard as they can to do exectly that.

i actually agree to some extent, Moto GP has become boring ....!
.... traction control. . .......s

no, Moto gp is not a joke, but your spelling is...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mekizo @ Apr 21 2008, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont really give a ... what u think


mutual buddy!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 21 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean about removing engine braking?
At the start of the new 4 stroke engines one of the more problematic obstacles to overcome where all the engine braking. That caused a further develpment of the slipper clutch allready used in SBK. Today they use both slipper clutch and idle rev adjustment to minimize the effects of engine braking. So it's hard to understand what you mean by removing engine braking, they are working as hard as they can to do exectly that.

Ok I'm no techy by any stretch. I'll take your word for it.
It just seems like the bikes are braking so late now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Apr 21 2008, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok I'm no techy by any stretch. I'll take your word for it.
It just seems like the bikes are braking so late now.

Isn't that because the bikes are slower than the 990's, so they have less speed to shrug off and can brake even later?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 21 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Isn't that because the bikes are slower than the 990's, so they have less speed to shrug off and can brake even later?

I only looked up one race - Catalunya as an example.

2007 top speed - Pedrosa 312.9 Honda
2006 Top speed - Stoner 327.8 Honda
Admittedly the 2 Ducati's crashed out on lap 1 in 2006 so probably a bad race for sheer speed comparison. But it's late and I'm too lazy to keep looking.

Nite gents.

QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 21 2008, 09:55 PM)
What do you mean about removing engine braking?
At the start of the new 4 stroke engines one of the more problematic obstacles to overcome where all the engine braking. That caused a further develpment of the slipper clutch allready used in SBK. Today they use both slipper clutch and idle rev adjustment to minimize the effects of engine braking. So it's hard to understand what you mean by removing engine braking, they are working as hard as they can to do exectly that.

and .... me didn't biaggi on the yam ..... about that engine braking is what bought about "backin in " which we all loved to see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 21 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean about removing engine braking?
At the start of the new 4 stroke engines one of the more problematic obstacles to overcome where all the engine braking. That caused a further develpment of the slipper clutch allready used in SBK. Today they use both slipper clutch and idle rev adjustment to minimize the effects of engine braking. So it's hard to understand what you mean by removing engine braking, they are working as hard as they can to do exectly that.

The software and slipper clutches on the bikes are not in place to eliminate engine breaking, they are there to maximize it without losing control of the bikes. How much engine breaking the riders are comfortable with depends on the man, but with the software in place to make all the bikes so smooth into the turns, passing becomes much harder. For the sake of close racing it is more of a factor than "traction control".

So you wanna have the Garage Sale at my place or yours?

LINTIFIED

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 21 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The software and slipper clutches on the bikes are not in place to eliminate engine breaking, they are there to maximize it without losing control of the bikes. How much engine breaking the riders are comfortable with depends on the man, but with the software in place to make all the bikes so smooth into the turns, passing becomes much harder. For the sake of close racing it is more of a factor than "traction control".
slipper clutches were to stop the rear locking up when off the gas and down shifting making engine braking more efficient. that why the clutch was made to slip, thus partially disengaging the drive chain from the engine reducing engine braking. to say it maximizes it is a bit ambiguous as it only maximizes it by stopping the rear wheel from locking up.

we had all this in the 70's when powervalves first came in
thats why KRSR will always be my no1 rider
anyone who rode a non PV and a powervalve yam will know that ol' YZR must have been an absolute animal to ride...........
you could ride these 800's to the shops with not many probs

3 races, 3 different winners. As Jesus said "There's just no pleasing some people"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Apr 21 2008, 04:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok I'm no techy by any stretch. I'll take your word for it.
It just seems like the bikes are braking so late now.

Yes. Take his word for it. You need engine braking. I can't think of a good way to control the throttle, the clutch, and the brakes at the same time, so you probably need the computer let the engine down for you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Apr 21 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3 races, 3 different winners. As Jesus said "There's just no pleasing some people"

All of them under 60kg.

Welcome to horse racing. Skill is tertiary at best. The machine is the star of the show.