MotoGP Champion 2015

Theo · Jun 27, 2015

IMO its going to be between Rossi and Lorenzo.

In some ways I hope its Rossi as he's entertaining and there's always someone who keeps up with him, as far as I can see Lorenzo rides a bike as if its a slot race track and he just pulls away with boring consequences, yawn!

So who do you think is worthy out of the 24? riders.

Personally I'd like to see squeaky (its the voice) Smith do better especially if it means he can bury Pol (I deserve a factory bike) Espargaro.

Jumkie · Jun 27, 2015

I think a better question is: MotoGP Champion 2016.

This year's is Rossi's to lose.

I think if Lorenzo wants to win consistently WHILE Rossi is his teammate, he must learn to win on Rossi's tires. Jumkie circa 2015

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RCV600RR · Jun 27, 2015

IRIC, Lorenzo won Mugello on "Rossi's" tyres. Account for that?

michaelm · Jun 27, 2015

RCV600RR said:
IRIC, Lorenzo won Mugello on "Rossi's" tyres. Account for that?

I don't think so . Iirc, the race was much hotter than practice etc and should not have favoured "his" tyre and his riding style, but he still won.

I agree with Jumkie, he needs to be better on the other tyre; Rossi is just straight out faster than him on it. Third is better than 4th or 5th though, and Assen where he broke his clavicle and ceded control of the championship to MM in 2013 was perhaps not the most propitious venue for him to have a major breakthrough on the tyre.

RCV600RR · Jun 27, 2015

michaelm said:
I don't think so . Iirc, the race was much hotter than practice etc and should not have favoured "his" tyre and his riding style, but he still won.

I agree with Jumkie, he needs to be better on the other tyre; Rossi is just straight out faster than him on it. Third is better than 4th or 5th though, and Assen where he broke his clavicle and ceded control of the championship to MM in 2013 was perhaps not the most propitious venue for him to have a major breakthrough on the tyre.

Oh, I thought he used the other tyre spec at Mugello. My mistake.

nomad · Jul 1, 2015

Jumkie said:
I think a better question is: MotoGP Champion 2016.

This year's is Rossi's to lose.

I think if Lorenzo wants to win consistently WHILE Rossi is his teammate, he must learn to win on Rossi's tires. Jumkie circa 2015

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Rossi's tyres? Wtf are you on about? It seems like the haters are worse than the boppers.

Mick D · Jul 1, 2015

nomad said:
Rossi's tyres? Wtf are you on about? It seems like the haters are worse than the boppers.

The nuance you are missing is that BStone currently uses different constructions/compounds at different tracks. Rossi seems to perform better on the compounds which suit Jorge than Jorge does on compounds which suit Vale.

The question Jum raises is what will happen to Jorge in 2016 if Michelin brings tyres which are more 'Rossi-suitable'?

RCV600RR · Jul 2, 2015

Confirmed: JLo won Mugello on "Rossi's" tyres.

J4rn0 · Jul 2, 2015

"Rossi's" tires (harder construction) happened to be also "Stoner's" tires... so much for the conspiracy.

All this labeling is just according to riders' stated preferences; if you look at actual results, it's more of a mixed bag because it's not at all assured that a rider will win on "his" preferred tires. They might give a slight better feeling, but results vary.

Lorenzo so far has been perhaps the most consistent on "his" tires (softer construction ensuring more edge grip, better suited to his corner speed style) scoring most of his wins on those; had it been Rossi doing the same, we can imagine the conspiracy conjectures from Jum & C...

Moreover Bridgestone decides which tires to bring to each track months in advance, and there are always solid technical arguments for their choice, based on the track characteristics. Which pretty much dictate the tires to be used.

Conspiracy theorists will then have to move their conjectures back at the track selection level, and declare that Dorna selects tracks to "design" a championship for a certan rider? I woildn't be surprised :happy:

#22 · Jul 2, 2015

Regarding the 'Months in advance' statement. Don't they have to allow for last minute factors such as weather/temperature? If it's hotter or cooler than normal for that time of year surely they have to try and react.

Arrabbiata1 · Jul 2, 2015

#22 said:
Regarding the 'Months in advance' statement. Don't they have to allow for last minute factors such as weather/temperature? If it's hotter or cooler than normal for that time of year surely they have to try and react.

I think there are contingencies, but remember the over compensation at Laguna by Michelin following the heatwave of 2006 - and the more recent failure of Bridgestone to factor in the new surface at P.I.?

J4rn0 · Jul 2, 2015

#22 said:
Regarding the 'Months in advance' statement. Don't they have to allow for last minute factors such as weather/temperature? If it's hotter or cooler than normal for that time of year surely they have to try and react.

They do plan months in advance and afaik even put stocks in place well in advance. Weather is predictable to a degree, if it is same month same place; contingencies are more related to events like rain.

When there really are dramatic unforseen changes in temperature they are usually caught off-guard, aren't they.

Mick D · Jul 2, 2015

J4rn0 said:
They do plan months in advance and afaik even put stocks in place well in advance. Weather is predictable to a degree, if it is same month same place; contingencies are more related to events like rain.

When there really are dramatic unforseen changes in temperature they are usually caught off-guard, aren't they.

My understanding of MGP logistics leads me to believe tyre allotments are sent out WELL in advance,

Arrab - Indy 2011 was a special event as well...

Jumkie · Jul 2, 2015

Michelin had a process where they would take data from FP Friday and manufactured a tire for race day Sunday. Perhaps they forgot to write down how they did this, and like the ancient Mayan secrets, are lost for all eternity.

J4rn0 · Jul 2, 2015

Jumkie said:
Michelin had a process where they would take data from FP Friday and manufactured a tire for race day Sunday. Perhaps they forgot to write down how they did this, and like the ancient Mayan secrets, are lost for all eternity.

Practically speaking, the Mayan secret is that you need a factory relatively close to the track. That's why Michelin could do it only in Europe.
Under single supplier rules they will not have any reason, nor possibility, to do it anyway.

Jumkie · Jul 2, 2015

Because most of the GP rounds are on the moon? No worries, I think Michelin are smart enough to add in just a smidgen of certain characteristics before hand. This way months into the season you and Kesh can point, u see, the tires are all allocated at random. Everything is on the up and up.

nomad · Jul 2, 2015

Jumkie said:
Because most of the GP rounds are on the moon? No worries, I think Michelin are smart enough to add in just a smidgen of certain characteristics before hand. This way months into the season you and Kesh can point, u see, the tires are all allocated at random. Everything is on the up and up.

Don't forget the fact that they'll have to confer with Rossi first

Jumkie · Jul 2, 2015

nomad said:
Don't forget the fact that they'll have to confer with Rossi first [emoji14]

I'm pretty sure that's already in full swing. How do u suppose Michelin is developing their tire now?

nomad · Jul 2, 2015

Jumkie said:
I'm pretty sure that's already in full swing. How do u suppose Michelin is developing their tire now?

Of course they're in constant contact with Rossi so they're exactly to his specification. Same goes with Bridgestone, and is the only reason he's won 9 world championships and 111 races. It's obvious when you talk it through.

Jumkie · Jul 2, 2015

nomad said:
Of course they're in constant contact with Rossi so they're exactly to his specification. Same goes with Bridgestone, and is the only reason he's won 9 world championships and 111 races. It's obvious when you talk it through.

Yeah, I agree. I was almost convinced Rossi doesn't have any influence in the sport if u listen to Kesh & Mick.

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