MotoGP: 2016 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

Daniboy said:

Where's the water running off to from the corner now?

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Note my use of the word "may" Dani. I'm not saying I know the answer, are you?[emoji1]

yamfan said:

Note my use of the word "may" Dani. I'm not saying I know the answer, are you?[emoji1]

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I know the principal of drainage very well , it's easy to understand.

Lin Jarvis knows trouble is down the road

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Valentino Rossi could stay in MotoGP beyond 2018 - Yamaha
By Mitchell Adam
@DrMitchellAdam
Published on Tuesday October 25th 2016

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JARVIS HOPING FOR EASIER TIME WITH VINALES

After nine seasons with Yamaha - including seven, often-rocky years alongside Rossi - Lorenzo is leaving for Ducati after the current campaign.

In his place, Yamaha has signed Suzuki youngster Maverick Vinales, who took his first MotoGP victory at Silverstone earlier this year and looks to have a closer relationship with Rossi.

"I hope it will be easier," Jarvis said.

"Jorge arrived as a promising young rider while Vale was the king.

"Nowadays there is a big age difference between Maverick and Valentino, but I know that from the moment Vinales closes the gap on Rossi, the dynamics will change"

There was also an article on Motogp.com that has mysteriously disappeared today where Jarvis said last years drama was 100% Rossi's doing and it was an attempt at mind games that backfired

The body language of the reporters who asked for comment of Rossi and Marquez regarding last year's Rossi-created debacle is a large and fascinating part of the story. When the camera pans to these reporters there is a tinge of tentative expression, like a subordinate asking the boss for an answer to a question the boss has previously been avoiding to answer. The journalists corps is still afraid of Rossi, regardless of their denials on social media. It's a good thing Vale let them off the hook by again avoiding to answer the timid question, and the non-existent follow up confirms where the power resides.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Jumkie said:

The body language of the reporters who asked for comment of Rossi and Marquez regarding last year's Rossi-created debacle is a large and fascinating part of the story. When the camera pans to these reporters there is a tinge of tentative expression, like a subordinate asking the boss for an answer to a question the boss has previously been avoiding to answer. The journalists corps is still afraid of Rossi, regardless of their denials on social media. It's a good thing Vale let them off the hook by again avoiding to answer the timid question, and the non-existent follow up confirms where the power resides.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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What kind of ....... question was did you learn anything from your actions last year though?

povol said:

There was also an article on Motogp.com that has mysteriously disappeared today where Jarvis said last years drama was 100% Rossi's doing and it was an attempt at mind games that backfired

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Interesting. I saw it, read it and left a quote in PI thread.
The article said the interview was done for gazzetta dello sport. I don't speak Italian, so I didn't go look for it, but I didn't find it now on their page.

From an article last year:

"Weapons of seduction"

Says a source close to Yamaha: "What happens is that Valentino uses all his weapons of seduction to get people to eat out of his hand. Jorge is a lot dryer, with less gentleness, and he doesn't pay compliments."

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The media corps, like the overwhelming majority, are eating out of Rossi's hand (sometimes quite literally, as their career's depends on playing nice with the Emperor.) They'll tell you otherwise, like Oxley supposedly now the beacon of impartiality because he made the rather self-evident assessment that Rossi was wrong to accuse Marquez of robbery. The fact remains, no matter what journalist say now, conveniently given the heat is off, they did NOT take Rossi to task when it counted, and still don't.

Finish line said:

Interesting. I saw it, read it and left a quote in PI thread.
The article said the interview was done for gazzetta dello sport. I don't speak Italian, so I didn't go look for it, but I didn't find it now on their page.

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I read it. It said Rossi shouldn't have said anything after PI and that's what I thought too (as soon as he said it). Jarvis said that was Rossi's fault not the incident itself. The headline reads better when it's taken out of context of course.

povol said:

There was also an article on Motogp.com that has mysteriously disappeared today where Jarvis said last years drama was 100% Rossi's doing and it was an attempt at mind games that backfired

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You mean this?

MotoGP?


Jarvis to La Gazzetta: “It was Valentino’s mistake"
Team Manager talks 2015 turning points to La Gazzetta dello Sport ahead of the paddock’s return to Sepang

As the Malaysian GP appears around the corner, Movistar Yamaha MotoGP’s Lin Jarvis talked to La Gazzetta dello Sport about the events of last year at the same track – after they sent shockwaves through the title fight. In the interview in the printed newspaper on Sunday, Jarvis talks about 2015, the future of Rossi's career - and the door being open for a Lorenzo return.

"It was Valentino’s mistake."
Lin Jarvis
“2015 only got complicated when Valentino was convinced that the race in Australia had been manipulated, and after the Press Conference in Malaysia, everything changed,” explained the Brit. “I would have liked Valentino to not have spoken about it or said anything. Riders should be quieter. I don’t think always saying exactly what you think is necessarily a good idea. And that’s applicable to Valentino and Jorge.

"If Rossi hadn’t been so hard on Marquez in the Press Conference in Sepang, I’m convinced it wouldn’t have created the huge reaction from Marquez that it did. It was Valentino’s mistake.”

Rossi was penalised for a move on Marquez during the race last year in Sepang. With the penalty points from the event added to another for a previous offence in Misano, the Italian was forced to start the Valencian GP from the back of the grid - as Lorenzo won the race and took the title.

In an intense battle for 3rd place, Rossi & Marquez come together resulting in Marquez crashing out.

"Valentino has always been a master of psychological warfare. But when you find yourself in a situation where you’re facing someone just like you – maybe it doesn’t work..."
Lin Jarvis on Rossi vs Marquez
“Valentino could have been Champion if he stayed quiet, but instead, the situation exploded," continued the Team Manager. "They’re riders – hot headed and emotional – and you can’t control them, only give them advice. Valentino could have dealt with the situation in a different way and then maybe Sepang and the Championship would have had a different outcome. And Jorge played his part, feeling offended by Valentino.

“Valentino has always been a master of psychological warfare. But when you find yourself in a situation where you’re facing someone just like you – maybe it doesn’t work, or maybe it has the opposite reaction to what you expected. I still think that if Valentino had managed the situation differently, the final result of the Championship could have been different.”

Now, Jarvis believes Rossi could race on beyond the end of his current contract - 2018 - and also stated that after 9 years and 3 MotoGP World Championships together, the door for Lorenzo would remain open for a return from Ducati in the future.




Credit Jarvis on this .............. I wonder now about just how long it will be .............

Gaz said:

Credit Jarvis on this .............. I wonder now about just how long it will be .............

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Credit Jarvis for what? For not saying Rossi's accusations were absolutely ....... paranoia, who according to Uccio, was created from the mind of the team waterboy? All Jarvis says here is that airing the accusation publicly was the mistake. In other words, a tactical mistake. And similar to Mat Oxley, takes the opportunity to needle Lorenzo in the process who was actually the only voice of integrity at Yamaha. Jarvis like Oxley laments the ill fated tactical error, failed psychological warefare on a subject that was impervious to it (thank god for autism).

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Jumkie said:

Credit Jarvis for what? For not saying Rossi's accusations were absolutely ....... paranoia, who according to Uccio, was created from the mind of the team waterboy? All Jarvis says here is that airing the accusation publicly was the mistake. In other words, a tactical mistake. And similar to Mat Oxley, takes the opportunity to needle Lorenzo in the process who was actually the only voice of integrity at Yamaha. Jarvis like Oxley laments the ill fated tactical error, failed psychological warefare on a subject that was impervious to it (thank god for autism).

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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For having the balls to actually mention that Valentino made a mistake in mentioning the alleged conspiracy as he has an opponent that will now not fall for the psychological BS that has been spouted.

Jarvis was negative and critical (to a degree - read between the lines) of Valentino, this is something that people have been demanding of the team for some time and whilst it may not go far enough for some, all change starts somewhere

As for lamenting the BS from last year, so he should as his job is to manage to team to world titles and essentially he says that Valentino's words cost them (Team Rossi, not Yamaha) and him (Valentino) the world title

Gaz said:

For having the balls to actually mention that Valentino made a mistake in mentioning the alleged conspiracy as he has an opponent that will now not fall for the psychological BS that has been spouted.

Jarvis was negative and critical (to a degree - read between the lines) of Valentino, this is something that people have been demanding of the team for some time and whilst it may not go far enough for some, all change starts somewhere

As for lamenting the BS from last year, so he should as his job is to manage to team to world titles and essentially he says that Valentino's words cost them (Team Rossi, not Yamaha) and him (Valentino) the world title

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This is your standard for balls?

Having the balls to say Rossi made a tactical mistake? Your logic sounds like Jarvis'. That doesn't take balls, this was simply the obvious outcome of said tactical error, he's just stating what occurred. Balls would be if he actually said Rossi's alleged conspiracy was ........, which he did not do here, and is what a few of us have been calling for Jarvis to do. You got it quite twisted. Then again buddy, you've said Jarvis is just tasked to tow the Yamaha line regardless of what integrity demands, hence why Lorenzo was supposedly wrong in demanding Rossi, a Yamaha employee, to be rightful sanctioned.

I'll concede that Jarvis does have balls, he has the balls to say ........ with a straight face. But then again, it's not that balsy is it, since his audience is so willing to eat it up then declare him a good company man.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

The idea that Rossi's actions cost him the champship last year are ridiculous. If anything they helped, the extra 3 points he gained gave him a better even considering he started from the back. Lorenzo having to win the race to make sure he won the title made him take unnecessary risks compared to only needing to finish fourth to guarantee the title.

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This is your standard for balls?

Having the balls to say Rossi made a tactical mistake? Your logic sounds like Jarvis'. That doesn't take balls, this was simply the obvious outcome of said tactical error, he's just stating what occurred. Balls would be if he actually said Rossi's alleged conspiracy was ........, which he did not do here, and is what a few of us have been calling for Jarvis to do. You got it quite twisted. Then again buddy, you've said Jarvis is just tasked to tow the Yamaha line regardless of what integrity demands, hence why Lorenzo was supposedly wrong in demanding Rossi, a Yamaha employee, to be rightful sanctioned.

I'll concede that Jarvis does have balls, he has the balls to say ........ with a straight face. But then again, it's not that balsy is it, since his audience is so willing to eat it up then declare him a good company man.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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Nope Jums it isn't, but it is still far more balls than were shown in 2015 by many within the Yamaha inner sanctum and is going some way to what has been demanded by this forum for some time - Jarvis to call out Rossi.

Sure he does not go jackboots but then, to go jackboots will guarantee that he has no job (JB comes to mind there) and so whilst it is not as hard as some demand, it is still far better than sitting there and staying quiet about it.

And show me where I have stated that Jarvis should to the line ............ for if you recall I have demanded his head for NOT acting.

People demand that Yamaha speak, they speak and we criticise ..........

p4p1 said:

The idea that Rossi's actions cost him the champship last year are ridiculous. If anything they helped, the extra 3 points he gained gave him a better even considering he started from the back. Lorenzo having to win the race to make sure he won the title made him take unnecessary risks compared to only needing to finish fourth to guarantee the title.

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I actually read it that Jarvis is saying that Valentino's focus was not what it should have been due to the distraction that he generated with the conspiracy theory.

May well be wrong and am sure that I will be corrected but I did genuinely take it that VR cost himself the championship as Jarvis is not talking about the Marquez incident per se but more Rossi's actions at and around the press conference

p4p1 said:

The idea that Rossi's actions cost him the champship last year are ridiculous. If anything they helped, the extra 3 points he gained gave him a better even considering he started from the back. Lorenzo having to win the race to make sure he won the title made him take unnecessary risks compared to only needing to finish fourth to guarantee the title.

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Agree. Rossi deliberately crashing out Marquez was a points advantage for Rossi that "balsy Jarvis" failed to account in his ........ logic. If Rossi keeps his paranoia to himself he would not have had the justification to use a subversive tactic against Marc on the track at Sepang. Something good old company man Jarvis, as much of a snake he is, doesn't quite grasp. Rossi out snake's even the polished turd of a politician that is Jarvis when it comes to psychological warfare! If Rossi keeps his mouth shut then he can't slow and ultimately force Marquez off track, a tactic that served Rossi well in 2008. Likely Rossi would have finished 4th and worst off at Valencia without those 16 points he illegally gained at Sepang.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Gaz said:

Nope Jums it isn't, but it is still far more balls than were shown in 2015 by many within the Yamaha inner sanctum and is going some way to what has been demanded by this forum for some time - Jarvis to call out Rossi.

Sure he does not go jackboots but then, to go jackboots will guarantee that he has no job (JB comes to mind there) and so whilst it is not as hard as some demand, it is still far better than sitting there and staying quiet about it.

And show me where I have stated that Jarvis should to the line ............ for if you recall I have demanded his head for NOT acting.

People demand that Yamaha speak, they speak and we criticise ..........

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I think Jarvis is plenty secure, but then again, perhaps you're right buddy, maybe he wants a nice pension. However, Jarvis IS that inner sanctum. Wasn't it you who argued that Jarvis was justified in giving Lorenzo the stink eye for not walking in lock step towing the Yamaha company line?

I don't consider this "Yamaha speaking out". You somehow do. Hence why I took issue with your take "giving Jarvis credit". As I asked, credit for what? He didn't do .... except lament that Rossi made a tactical error. Like saying, well that guy could have got away with stealing that car had he not driven past the police station yelling out obscenities so loud. WTF? And you're like, yeah, Jarvis is calling out Rossi for getting caught by the cops, by saying it was a "mistake" to yell out obscenities.

Jarvis didn’t do .... except caress Rossi's ego in that article. Why are you giving Jarvis credit for doing nothing regarding the sort of challenge that demands integrity? He is not challenging Rossi to face the fact his paranoid accusation were absurd. In fact Rossi just recently affirmed he still believes this utter fairytale! Jarvis is stroking Rossi by saying had he just been quiet he could have won the title! In other words he's saying Rossi has good reason to feel robbed, after all, he would have won the title according to his (and Rossi's) estimate. You think this calls out Rossi for his ........ accusations? No! Hell no, it does nothing of the kind, not even remotely. Again, all Jarvis is saying is that speaking out was a tactical error. And even that is ........ because it ignores the reality Lorenzo had the pace to beat Vale at both Sepang and Valencia, and likely the two Hondas were also going to beat him. Not to mention, thanks to Iannone going Iannone saved Valentino from the embarrassment of losing to him like he did at Phillip Island.

1. So no, Jarvis isn't doing any calling out. No credit deserved.

2. No, Rossi wasn't going to win .... even if he shut his stupid mouth, Lin's title assessment is wrong. Jarvis is spreading fallaciousness with that snake's tongue that Rossi would have won the title had he just stayed quiet. Jarvis IS unholding and fueling the minions' belief that Rossi's title was in the bag had dirty little Marc not ruined it.

I call ........ on Jarvis on both counts my brother.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Jumkie said:

I think Jarvis is plenty secure, but then again, perhaps you're right buddy, maybe he wants a nice pension. However, Jarvis IS that inner sanctum. Wasn't it you who argued that Jarvis was justified in giving Lorenzo the stink eye for not walking in lock step towing the Yamaha company line?

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No farken way mate ........... I believe that around Sepang 2015 time Jarvis showed more yellow than a sugar laden piss plus I have posted many times that I believe that he is complicit in Lorenzo leaving and showed exceedingly poor leadership at a time when strong leadership was called for.

This is actually the first time that I can recall posting anything positive about Jarvis.

Again I disagree on the credit as the last person to speak out from within the Rossi sanctum is out of work today ............ not that I believe he cares about being out of work and he is better for it (and still speaking out). I give credit for I genuinely believe that one is not allowed to be critical of Valentino else thy cop the full brunt of the yellow hordes and Yamaha on high (and I refer to marketing not race team). You differ, all good but I do and will give credit where I feel it to be justified in some manner (even if that means crediting people of whom I am openly critical or questioning)

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No farken way mate ........... I believe that around Sepang 2015 time Jarvis showed more yellow than a sugar laden piss plus I have posted many times that I believe that he is complicit in Lorenzo leaving and showed exceedingly poor leadership at a time when strong leadership was called for.

This is actually the first time that I can recall posting anything positive about Jarvis.

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Ah my bad then buddy.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Soy for being late with this...I just woke up. If it has been mention before...sorry for that too.

MM left out FP2 due to stomach flu.

I knew Indonesian and Malasyan food is not made for europeans...you can never be to careful there.