<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Dec 9 2007, 03:49 AM) [snapback]103887[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i agree with all that.
lexicon the swingarm pivot point has no bearing on where a rider sits his .... the hayden thing is a different issue, he said the bike was small, the media jumped on it after that making the honda 'tiny' and some people have bought into it. i thought mass centralization was hondas marketing slogan in 2003 when they launched the cbr600rr and then blade, was a good one because it seems to have stuck.
1. Hayden said in the post unveiling interview that he thought he was being Punk'd. In other words he thought the bike was a joke.
2. Hayden said later that the thing he hated most was the seat.
3. The first part redesigned was the seat. It was lengthened by 1 inch.........to allow a 1 inch foam pad to be inserted behind Nicky's backside.
4. The bar/seat distance was so short that Nicky couldn't get his head behind the fairing. His head bounced of the the tank for half the season before Honda made him a new fairing that would accommodate his torso.
Yes. I can see how the media might mistakenly think that the cockpit is significantly smaller than it was on the RC211V.
The swingarm pivot position matters for a myriad of reasons. Especially, on modern bikes where the rider sits behind the shock. If I remember correctly you are a serious rider, skid, so I have no idea why you would say otherwise. You already know you couldn't hang your ... 3 or 4" farther off the back of the bike, because it would have roughly the same effect it does when you are braking. Obviously, you can make the subframe any size you want, but obviously you won't go quickly if you upset the suspension/weight distribution to make room for your knees and elbows.
I suppose there is a possibility you haven't ridden anything newer than a twin sprung cafe racer. (Joking)
Mass centralization is more than a marketing slogan as evidenced by the V-5's "high crank" and the awful mass centralized clutch they forced Nicky to test down the home stretch of his maiden title victory.
Fine. We see it two different ways. I believe that the reports are not exaggerated and that Nicky would have changed cockpit dimensions if he could have. But he didn't because he couldn't because it made the bike slow and Honda wouldn't build the parts.
You believe the entire thing is media sensationalism and that the bike isn't small..........it's just a media talking point to sell advertising space. Furthermore, you believe Nicky hasn't moved the seat because he didn't need to because the bike is properly built.
Sad after an entire year of watching the exact same thing, we can't even reach square one. I guess that's the hidden gem of the information age.