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Pangea
The period between the lights going red and going out was the longest pause we have had in a race this year and is probably what precipitated Dovis movements...he anticipated the change rather than waiting for it to happen and this movement by Dovi also seemingly caused the other 2 riders to flinch.
Regarding the Rossi mistake it was purely a racing incident but Rossi clipped Lorenzos rear wheel so therefore MUST have been behind going into the corner - it is ALWAYS the duty of the rider BEHIND to yield the racing line to the guy in front - who after all has NO WAY of observing what the riders behind him are doing. To say otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding of the rules, naivety or bias.
Regarding the Rossi mistake it was purely a racing incident but Rossi clipped Lorenzos rear wheel so therefore MUST have been behind going into the corner - it is ALWAYS the duty of the rider BEHIND to yield the racing line to the guy in front - who after all has NO WAY of observing what the riders behind him are doing. To say otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding of the rules, naivety or bias.
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Your Mom's House
Have you had too much to drink? Why add all that extra HTML .... to your posts?
About the "tortoise" Dovi (hahaha, that had me laughing a bit), the score is 12-3 in favor of Dovi. Simo got one over on him at Japan and suddenly he deserves the factory ride? Is this a case of "what have you done for me lately?
In fact Rossi did a quite erratic line change, after being touched by Lorenzo... Your spatial perceptions are ok, it is the temporal ones that are all mixed up. That's where the mind intervenes probably..
You are also absolutely right that Rossi could have got through. There is even photographic evidence of that:
freakin' hilarious! LMFAO!!! well done. truth of the matter is: we witnessed the rossi-simoncelli role-reversal. rossi for his my-whole-race-depends-on-this-very-next-corner-recklessness of simoncelli from races past and simoncelli for his predatory, i'm-gonna-pressure-you-so-much-you'll-eff-up-eventually, takedown of dovi. reminiscent of rossi from years past.
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Have you had too much to drink? Why add all that extra HTML .... to your posts?
About the "tortoise" Dovi (hahaha, that had me laughing a bit), the score is 12-3 in favor of Dovi. Simo got one over on him at Japan and suddenly he deserves the factory ride? Is this a case of "what have you done for me lately?
Nah, not drinking... but it has been SNOWING in Thailand tonite... I'm just getting bored with Dovi's average performances, though I still believe he deserves a ride I'm just not seeing him doing anything of note... ever! Kinda like CE without the personality...
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Harsh man. But yeah, Simo has accomplished a bit more, like epic meltdowns. Dovi is still 3rd in standings right?
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Dont Know
Looks like you were right. Most were on soft tyres. Without the jump start or off track excusion maybe Dovi and Simo even knock Stoner off the podium?
Bridgestone Report:
"Last year, everyone used the medium compound rear tyre for the race, but this year six riders used the medium and the remaining 12 starters chose the soft compound, which provided an interesting comparison of performance."
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Repsol Honda rider Casey Stoner claims his pass over Nicky Hayden at Motegi was not risky – MotoGP news
Repsol Honda rider Casey Stoner has said that his pass over Nicky Hayden of Ducati was not risky which he made during the 2011 Japanese Grand Prix at the Twin Ring Motegi Circuit on Sunday, October 2.
After Stoner ran wide during the fifth lap, the Aussie had to run back to the top for a podium finish.
In an effort of rising from seventh position in the race, Stoner had to push hard aggressively. During the several passes that he made to claim a third position on the podium, he had to overtake Nicky Hayden.
Stoner said, “Nah, I didn't get in there too hot. It's a thing that Nicky does. When you pass him he doesn't want to give up the position. It happened to me with him at Indianapolis, I think, last year.”
The Aussie rider went on to recover his lost positions in the race and overtook former Ducati teammate Nicky Hayden. Following the race, it was speculated that Stoner made an aggressive pass over Hayden.
On this note Stoner stated it is normal for Hayden to ignore a rider that tends to overtake him.
(so Hayden has a Dummy spit if he gets overtaken must have been a very long year
)
Stoner further added, “You go up the inside and he keeps leaning on you, and leaning on you. That's basically all that happened. I went in there with plenty of room. I could have easily made the corner if he just didn't lean on me.”
The 2012 championship leader, Stoner claimed that as he entered his inside line, Hayden started to lean over to his side and carried on doing so. In that situation, Stoner decided to release his brakes and move ahead realising his presence besides him.
He added that he had to make this advancement as he feared Hayden was going to ignore his presence.
The frustration and chaos filled Japanese race did give Stoner a podium position but his lead has dropped to 40 points from Jorge Lorenzo.
http://blogs.bettor....GP-news-a102060
he feared Hayden was going to ignore his presence <
Whats Casey suggesting here then ? Riders must show him respect because I'm Casey Stoner ?
Slow down move over and let me by ?
I THINK The riders would say go get ......
Repsol Honda rider Casey Stoner has said that his pass over Nicky Hayden of Ducati was not risky which he made during the 2011 Japanese Grand Prix at the Twin Ring Motegi Circuit on Sunday, October 2.
After Stoner ran wide during the fifth lap, the Aussie had to run back to the top for a podium finish.
In an effort of rising from seventh position in the race, Stoner had to push hard aggressively. During the several passes that he made to claim a third position on the podium, he had to overtake Nicky Hayden.
Stoner said, “Nah, I didn't get in there too hot. It's a thing that Nicky does. When you pass him he doesn't want to give up the position. It happened to me with him at Indianapolis, I think, last year.”
The Aussie rider went on to recover his lost positions in the race and overtook former Ducati teammate Nicky Hayden. Following the race, it was speculated that Stoner made an aggressive pass over Hayden.
On this note Stoner stated it is normal for Hayden to ignore a rider that tends to overtake him.
(so Hayden has a Dummy spit if he gets overtaken must have been a very long year
Stoner further added, “You go up the inside and he keeps leaning on you, and leaning on you. That's basically all that happened. I went in there with plenty of room. I could have easily made the corner if he just didn't lean on me.”
The 2012 championship leader, Stoner claimed that as he entered his inside line, Hayden started to lean over to his side and carried on doing so. In that situation, Stoner decided to release his brakes and move ahead realising his presence besides him.
He added that he had to make this advancement as he feared Hayden was going to ignore his presence.
The frustration and chaos filled Japanese race did give Stoner a podium position but his lead has dropped to 40 points from Jorge Lorenzo.
http://blogs.bettor....GP-news-a102060
he feared Hayden was going to ignore his presence <
Whats Casey suggesting here then ? Riders must show him respect because I'm Casey Stoner ?
Slow down move over and let me by ?
I THINK The riders would say go get ......
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Pangea
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Dont Know
What a dipshit. Hayden, get the .... out of the way.
No seriously, that's good, he's saying Hayden is no ..... to overtake, he couldn't get it done without letting off the brakes and making an aggressive pass. What's better, saying I overtook Hayden like he was a speed bump, or I let off the brakes because Hayden would not let me through. I bet Hayden reads that quote and smiles thinking just wait for next time when i have a decent frame you won't even get through arsehole.
No seriously, that's good, he's saying Hayden is no ..... to overtake, he couldn't get it done without letting off the brakes and making an aggressive pass. What's better, saying I overtook Hayden like he was a speed bump, or I let off the brakes because Hayden would not let me through. I bet Hayden reads that quote and smiles thinking just wait for next time when i have a decent frame you won't even get through arsehole.
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Yours is just a bunch of assertions ("the only one behaving dangerously was Rossi") without any support of evidence based on what actually one can see in the video.
A. You conveniently forget that when changing his line Lorenzo bumped with his tail on Rossi's bike, leaving a dent there. The only way Rossi would have had to "roll off" was before that happeneed, but he cannot see in the future just like he cannot disappear from the track in thin air.
B. It was Lorenzo's contact that threw Rossi against Spies. Without Lorenzo's bump against Rossi, nothing would have happened. Anyway, it is a racing incident -- there is no blame to give, unless one assumes Lorenzo did it on purpose (I don't, Rossi didn't either).
C. All this is so clearly visible in the video that pretending not to see it is really funny..
Just goes to show even mid-packers like haystack are still in it to win it. Racers mentality.
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Tweed Valley Australia
And for the great collection of knob ends like super shitcakes this do or die attitude is why Nicki got a 2006 championship and why he is worthwhile to keep in a team. Casey is blindingly fast and should be world champ this year and all of that however Hayden is not going to let him by without a bit of elbow, biff and so on.
No one got hurt and it was good to watch
Yours is just a bunch of assertions ("the only one behaving dangerously was Rossi") without any support of evidence based on what actually one can see in the video.
A. You conveniently forget that when changing his line Lorenzo bumped with his tail on Rossi's bike, leaving a dent there. The only way Rossi would have had to "roll off" was before that happeneed, but he cannot see in the future just like he cannot disappear from the track in thin air.
B. It was Lorenzo's contact that threw Rossi against Spies. Without Lorenzo's bump against Rossi, nothing would have happened. Anyway, it is a racing incident -- there is no blame to give, unless one assumes Lorenzo did it on purpose (I don't, Rossi didn't either).
C. All this is so clearly visible in the video that pretending not to see it is really funny..
Agreed, it was Jorge's sudden line change that sparked this whole incident, but I don't think that we can blame Jorge as he couldn't have known Rossi was there. This is what happens when you have 19 bikes in a small space going at fast speeds.
Very true Rog, and irrespective of what some will say I see it as a big pat on the back for Hayden as Stoner is saying that Hayden did what a racer should, no more and no less (nor do I see it as a whinge from Stoner ......... but then I suspect you expect that as well
It was a good racing moment and a fight for position, no rider should make it an easy overtake early in a race when fighting for position like that (wet races excepted) and does indeed say a lot about Hayden's inner desire.
Gaz
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Norah Head
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Norah Head
Rossi changes line dramatically, Lorenzo was as smooth as usual. Only an ..... would see it otherwise. ( Full Stop )
Repsol Honda rider Casey Stoner claims his pass over Nicky Hayden at Motegi was not risky – MotoGP news
Repsol Honda rider Casey Stoner has said that his pass over Nicky Hayden of Ducati was not risky which he made during the 2011 Japanese Grand Prix at the Twin Ring Motegi Circuit on Sunday, October 2.
After Stoner ran wide during the fifth lap, the Aussie had to run back to the top for a podium finish.
In an effort of rising from seventh position in the race, Stoner had to push hard aggressively. During the several passes that he made to claim a third position on the podium, he had to overtake Nicky Hayden.
Stoner said, “Nah, I didn't get in there too hot. It's a thing that Nicky does. When you pass him he doesn't want to give up the position. It happened to me with him at Indianapolis, I think, last year.”
The Aussie rider went on to recover his lost positions in the race and overtook former Ducati teammate Nicky Hayden. Following the race, it was speculated that Stoner made an aggressive pass over Hayden.
On this note Stoner stated it is normal for Hayden to ignore a rider that tends to overtake him.
(so Hayden has a Dummy spit if he gets overtaken must have been a very long year)
Stoner further added, “You go up the inside and he keeps leaning on you, and leaning on you. That's basically all that happened. I went in there with plenty of room. I could have easily made the corner if he just didn't lean on me.”
The 2012 championship leader, Stoner claimed that as he entered his inside line, Hayden started to lean over to his side and carried on doing so. In that situation, Stoner decided to release his brakes and move ahead realising his presence besides him.
He added that he had to make this advancement as he feared Hayden was going to ignore his presence.
The frustration and chaos filled Japanese race did give Stoner a podium position but his lead has dropped to 40 points from Jorge Lorenzo.
http://blogs.bettor....GP-news-a102060
he feared Hayden was going to ignore his presence <
Whats Casey suggesting here then ? Riders must show him respect because I'm Casey Stoner ?
Slow down move over and let me by ?
I THINK The riders would say go get ......
Stoner to my knowledge has complained about rossi taking him out at jerez, and nearly taking him out at laguna seca 2008, and not about completed passes by riders in control of their bikes. He did complain about being nearly taken out by simoncelli going too fast on cold tyres in the first corner of a race earlier this year, a few corners before simoncelli did lose his bike, which I think was one race prior to simoncelli actually taking another rider out when he lost his bike in the first few corners going too fast on cold tyres. The only pass by rossi which I would consider a dirty move was the gibernau last corner move. I had absolutely no problem with his move on lorenzo last year . Before this year even riding errors by him were extraordinarily rare.
The hayden pass was not the most elegant in motogp history, but I think in a race for position was within the bounds of acceptability, unlike stoner's similar move on him in practice this year. I think birdman and andyroo have put it well, aggressive defence, which is obviously perfectly reasonable if not mandatory in a race for position , will eventually provoke an aggressive overtake, particularly when the overtaker is considerably faster and has caught the defending rider rapidly. I defended simoncelli in the pedrosa thing btw.
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