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Tom said:
I know electronic rider aids arent popular but be reasonable if you can manage it. Bikes are far more reliable now than they ever have been and its not the first time a rider has been injured as a result of a mechanical failiure.
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Oh , i know there will always be injuries in bike racing, but this generation of GP bikes may be the most dangerous ever. Maybe not the most dangerous because of the nature of the get offs compared to the 500 2 bangers, but the sheer numbers of crashes is just mind boggling . To think these bikes were developed in the interest of safety is laughable.
 
povol said:
Oh , i know there will always be injuries in bike racing, but this generation of GP bikes may be the most dangerous ever. Maybe not the most dangerous because of the nature of the get offs compared to the 500 2 bangers, but the sheer numbers of crashes is just mind boggling . To think these bikes were developed in the interest of safety is laughable.
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I hate to sound like Jumkie, but if you listen to KRJR's explanation in his podcast thing it seems pretty clear that the tyres are to blame for the amount of crashes going on at the moment.
 
Tom said:
I hate to sound like Jumkie, but if you listen to KRJR's explanation in his podcast thing it seems pretty clear that the tyres are to blame for the amount of crashes going on at the moment.
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And electronics
 
povol said:
And electronics
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As i recall he was talking about the old days and was pretty clear that the tyres have more grip than feel and that causes the large number of unpredictable crashes.
 
Tom said:
I hate to sound like Jumkie, but if you listen to KRJR's explanation in his podcast thing it seems pretty clear that the tyres are to blame for the amount of crashes going on at the moment.
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Tom, don't worry, you will never sound like me.
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About the crashes due to tires, i think he was talking about the early advent (not so much now) of the "grippier" tires; however, he went on to say that they've worked out most of those issues with tire development and electronics. (if my very suspect memory serves me correct this morning). I think his main point was that tires dictate lap times.





On another note; how ironic is it that Honda, the model of reliability, had a glitch at their home GP!
 
Tom said:
I hate to sound like Jumkie, but if you listen to KRJR's explanation in his podcast thing it seems pretty clear that the tyres are to blame for the amount of crashes going on at the moment.
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............ its the natural feel of the machine being taken away from rider is where the problem is.



and tyres.....lol
 
povol said:
And electronics
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jazkat said:
.... its the natural feel of the machine being taken away from rider is where the problem is.



and tyres.....lol
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Fly by wire is actually very reliable and common. Its not a very "new" technology either. And its NOT the traction control most people associate with the word "electronics". Its the TC that you are talking about, right?
 
Jumkie said:
Fly by wire is actually very reliable and common. Its not a very "new" technology either. And its NOT the traction control most people associate with the word "electronics". Its the TC that you are talking about, right?
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just the whole pakage, the bike now has a brain and i think thats going to far, no probs with the fly by wire just wish they would take it back to 50/50 as the rider had btter feel, like in 05/06....



dont wanna start the electronics argument anyway just saying at present its was to much.
 
Pedrosa's decision to return to Europe makes it even more improbable that he can be back racing in Malaysia, and the fact that we are starting a string of three consecutive races renders the title fight all but over. gpone
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Sucks for Danny. Hope for speedy recovery. Its not the first time he's been bitten by an electronic malfunction. Anybody remember when his launch control screwed up and sent him flipping on a practice start?



Its a real shame and says something about the state of GP for the title to be decided on a injury 5 events from the finale. We only had two contenders left for the title, and one was a real long shot at that. Even factoring in Rossi's injury, 5 events to go, that's just too much.
 
Jumkie said:
Sucks for Danny. Hope for speedy recovery. Its not the first time he's been bitten by an electronic malfunction. Anybody remember when his launch control screwed up and sent him flipping on a practice start?



Its a real shame and says something about the state of GP for the title to be decided on a injury 5 events from the finale. We only had two contenders left for the title, and one was a real long shot at that. Even factoring in Rossi's injury, 5 events to go, that's just too much.
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Yeh i do..seems he just has bad luck with that stuff.



I agree with you about the state of the gp's. It ruins the rest of the season. The only thing really worth watching is the 125's bc the championship is so tight.
 
title done, hope the fight for mental supremacy between the aliens has the side effect of generating some close battles....



ever an optimist ......
 
Ngads said:
Yeh i do..seems he just has bad luck with that stuff.



I agree with you about the state of the gp's. It ruins the rest of the season. The only thing really worth watching is the 125's bc the championship is so tight.
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Pedro has had some crazy crashes and I think that his injuries have kept him out of the title hunt for the last 3 years, but I can't help but think if we didn't have a bunch of skeletors or wannabe skeletors riding GP bikes the injuries and recovery time wouldn't be so bad. The championship was over long ago, this kinda just stuck the fork in it as curve alluded to.
 
mthuphukendamn. The field is to small to loose anybody much less somebody who battles at the front every weekend. We must of jinxed him with leg hump last week.
 
Jumkie said:
Fly by wire is actually very reliable and common. Its not a very "new" technology either. And its NOT the traction control most people associate with the word "electronics". Its the TC that you are talking about, right?
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If your talking to me, yes. Hell, we have fly by wire in boats, its here to stay.
 
Jumkie said:
Fly by wire is actually very reliable and common. Its not a very "new" technology either. And its NOT the traction control most people associate with the word "electronics". I
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The "fly by wire" or cable-less throttle control is not so sophisticated in itself, but it is the main condition to make most of the advanced features of TC possible. Without it, TC could only respond to situations by cutting the ignition when the riders opens up too much and the sensors detect the rear wheel spinning. With it, the TC can become prehemptive and actually control the throttle and prevent the rider from opening too much in the first place, -- the input from the rider's right wrist becomes just another input signal that the software can modify or even ignore.

That's why it is the main evil, imho
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Ngads said:
It ruins the rest of the season.
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it effectively ends the championship but it certainly does not ruin the rest of the season. i take each race as it comes hoping for some bar bangin action without thought of whats next. so unless your a dyed in the wool dani fan, the season is far from ruined. we could possibly be in store for some of the best racing weve seen all season!
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frosty58 said:
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it effectively ends the championship but it certainly does not ruin the rest of the season. i take each race as it comes hoping for some bar bangin action without thought of whats next. so unless your a dyed in the wool dani fan, the season is far from ruined. we could possibly be in store for some of the best racing weve seen all season!
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ha..quite true. Especially bc of the fact that really nobody has anything to lose, except Jorge sort of, but every1 else will be goin out there just to try and win.



I was being a bit pessimistic at the time haha. (long day at work I just wanna get the hell outta here)
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