Motegi 2010 Moto GP...

povol said:

There is a 56 point difference, not 69

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Pos Rider Bike Nation Points

1 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 297

2 Dani PEDROSA Honda SPA 228 < -69 Horney needs to leave Sepang with 76 point lead he just needs 7 points Sunday

3 Casey STONER Ducati AUS 180





Pedrosa Certain To Miss Sepang MotoGP Round

Submitted by David Emmett on Wed, 2010-10-06 13:41.



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bill88 said:

what's the point in talking like if this had happened or if that had happened ..



and rossi did not do to lorenzo what eslick did to herrin (for example)



yamaha was wrong to expect anything different than this from rossi



yamaha wants the safe route to the title so they should tell jorge to cruise around



besides they have no power over rossi anymore

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Yamaha was wrong to expect an employee that they pay 9 million a year, not to possibly .... up their one and only goal and reason for being there. Are you ....... kidding me. Thats exactly what they expected.

povol said:

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Your mistakes as you call them invalidate your argument.

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What the hell are you on about?

povol said:

There has been no press release stating Pedrosa is out, nor would there be if Rossi had injured Lorenzo.

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Let me see the proof then, that dani would deff be riding at sepang? seeing as you are going howard hughes over proof.

povol said:

You didnt wonder ...., you didnt know. Just like you dont know that there is 4 races left, not 3.

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Rob said:

69 points gap with 4 races and a broken collarbone would be highly unlikely.



Stoner is now going well, rossi has pace, and dovi didnt exactly have a bad race either......would be very, very difficult for dani to get much when fresh back from injury.



Its in the bag now, and its already reported that dani will miss sepang.



so make that 69 points in 3 races. Two wins and a second place? Yeah like thats going to happen.



Even with jorge hypothetically out injured from this point.

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no you didnt slip up there did you mucker?

povol said:

Yamaha was wrong to expect an employee that they pay 9 million a year, not to possibly .... up their one and only goal and reason for being there. Are you ....... kidding me. Thats exactly what they expected.

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Are you kidding me are you that blind? you are piling everything onto rossi here, and expecting lorenzo to take no responsibilty? HE is the points leader, HE is the one with everything to lose, and HE is the one who should have(after a few manouvers) just conceded 3rd place willingly for the sake of the title.



He didnt need the position at all......that is a FACT. everything else is opinion.



The fact of the matter is that yamaha have placed all their eggs in the basket of lorenzo, and they couldnt possibly side with rossi in this situation. But the spoilt kid probably left them with little chance of staying neutral....because of all the fuss he kicked up. I can only imagine the tantrum he threw behind the scenes.



EDIT: Anyway enough is enough.........

Tom said:

1. You lose



2. I'm not denying Lorenzo took risks, never have. Rossi's moves were obviously more risky, as they are when he goes all out to win a battle.



3. There is a difference between taking the racing line from another rider and making contact and/or sudden movements to force them off the racing line. It's not just a matter of subtlety but a matter of safetey, i would expect you to understand that.

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1. What's that supposed to mean? I realize you have no valid argument for why they did go public all the while maintaining they did the "right thing". Jou simply make no sense at all.



2. I'd like to see you define what situation you are talking about and what Rossi does that is more risky.



3. It's was not about taking the race line, Lorenzo went wide (off race line), not out of need but on purpose pushing Rossi further out. As I said it backfired on him. His bad judgment, his bad risk taking and frankly it would have been all down to him if he had taken himself out banging into Rossi.

povol said:

Yamaha was wrong to expect an employee that they pay 9 million a year, not to possibly .... up their one and only goal and reason for being there. Are you ....... kidding me. Thats exactly what they expected.

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well at least, i for sure didnt expect in a motogp forum, so much talk for what have been 2 laps of our sleeping interrupted .. because that's all the racing we got this season

bill88 said:

well at least, i for sure didnt expect in a motogp forum, so much talk for what have been 2 laps of our sleeping interrupted .. because that's all the racing we got this season

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yeah lol, by far the most exciting race of the year.....



But i suppose some people cant enjoy something they hate

Rob said:

What the hell are you on about?







Let me see the proof then, that dani would deff be riding at sepang? seeing as you are going howard hughes over proof.











no you didnt slip up there did you mucker?

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No , i didnt

Do these words sound familiar

Ok then......56 points over 3 races.





and its already reported that dani will miss sepang." untrue statement





Do i have proof that Dani would race this weekend if Lorenzo was out, of course not, but i would certainly bet the farm if he was.

Rob said:

Are you kidding me are you that blind? you are piling everything onto rossi here, and expecting lorenzo to take no responsibilty? HE is the points leader, HE is the one with everything to lose, and HE is the one who should have(after a few manouvers) just conceded 3rd place willingly for the sake of the title.



He didnt need the position at all......that is a FACT. everything else is opinion.



The fact of the matter is that yamaha have placed all their eggs in the basket of lorenzo, and they couldnt possibly side with rossi in this situation. But the spoilt kid probably left them with little chance of staying neutral....because of all the fuss he kicked up. I can only imagine the tantrum he threw behind the scenes.



EDIT: Anyway enough is enough.........

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Did Rossi? Oh i forgot, he still can get 4th in the championship. Who the .... cares if its 4th or 5th, except boppers.

Rob said:

Are you kidding me are you that blind? you are piling everything onto rossi here, and expecting lorenzo to take no responsibilty? HE is the points leader, HE is the one with everything to lose, and HE is the one who should have(after a few manouvers) just conceded 3rd place willingly for the sake of the title.



He didnt need the position at all......that is a FACT. everything else is opinion.



The fact of the matter is that yamaha have placed all their eggs in the basket of lorenzo, and they couldnt possibly side with rossi in this situation. But the spoilt kid probably left them with little chance of staying neutral....because of all the fuss he kicked up. I can only imagine the tantrum he threw behind the scenes.

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Now that's an interesting theory. Lorenzo forcing Yamaha to go public with their one sided critics of Rossi. Hummm. At least it would make put some logic into their behavior. Not that Lin Jarvis ever been a big Rossi fan so it probably didn't take to much convincing from JLo.

i think you're just going to the extreme of putting all the blame on rossi. i, for one, enjoyed the battle...sure there were risky passes here and there. the thing is though, you can't put all the blame on rossi without putting some of it lorenzo as well. i'm not saying anyone is wrong here (honestly i think no one's to blame) but you can't blame one rider and simply cast the other rider as being right.



rossi's not in the fight for championship and lorenzo has a huge points lead....neither of them REALLY needed to be 3rd but i sure as hell enjoyed the fact that they fought for it like it was for the championship

povol said:

No , i didnt

Do these words sound familiar

Ok then......56 points over 3 races.





and its already reported that dani will miss sepang." untrue statement





Do i have proof that Dani would race this weekend if Lorenzo was out, of course not, but i would certainly bet the farm if he was.

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Dear oh dear you just continue to prove what a total plonker you are.....you are going to quote my second post after i already said it was 3 races ONLY because dani would be highly likely to miss sepang(due to the report). You then went on to suggest i just didnt know how many races were left......lol. You made a mistake....its not a problem, and i dont particularly care, but why should others have to answer for every simple error and you not? Admit it and lets move on, either that or just drop it because i dont mind if you are incapable of manning up.



But like i say enough is enough povol, you dont answer questions properly when asked, you talk a lot of nonesense(like that babble about my mistakes invalidating my argument, or whaever the hell you wrote.), you have utter double standards.....you speculate as much as you possibly want and expect solid proof in return, even though i never once said anything was 100% for certain.



You have created this imaginary point where i am supposed to have said somewhere that its impossible for dani to win it with the current(and hypothetical) situation, i never said anything of the sort, i actually said (in relation to yamaha getting involved with lorenzo's moaning) that dani would be HIGHLY UNLIKELY to win the title in any situation now, and yamaha involvement is possibly more down to jorge's response to the situation than any "safety issue/concern".



And after all the .... you harp on about facts and maybe's and other such nonesense, you are gonna tell me "you'd bet dani would race at seppang".



You are kidding right?



In your own bs logic.....where is the proof?



Well i will tell you what if we are both simply speculating here(which i was originally) , i'd bet that dani would still have have no chance had lorenzo dropped his bike at motegi.



What do you say to that?...in fact dont bother say it to yourself.

Tekniqs said:

rossi's not in the fight for championship and lorenzo has a huge points lead....neither of them REALLY needed to be 3rd but i sure as hell enjoyed the fact that they fought for it like it was for the championship

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You are correct, but of the two of them which should have been more wary of the risks? I have to say if dani had been on the podium on the day, i may have been more inclined to agree that rossi didnt need to push it, but considering the situation on a whole...why the hell not

Rob said:

Like i say enough is enough povol, you dont answer questions properly when asked, you talk a lot of nonesense(like that babble about my mistakes invalidating my argument, or whaever the hell you wrote.), you have utter double standards.....you speculate as much as you possibly want and expect solid proof in return, even though i never once said anything was 100% for certain.



You have created this imaginary point where i am supposed to have said somewhere that its impossible for dani to win it with the current(and hypothetical) situation, i never said anything of the sort, i actually said in relation to yamaha getting involved that with lorenzo's moaning, that dani would be HIGHLY UNLIKELY to win the title in any situation now, and yamaha involvement is possibly more down to jorge's response to the situation than any "safety issue/concern".



And after all the .... you harp on about facts and maybe's and other such nonesense, you are gonna tell me "you'd bet dani would race at seppang".



Where is the proof?



Well i will tell you what, i'd bet that dani would still have have no chance had lorenzo dropped his bike at motegi.



What do you say to that?...in fact dont bother say it to yourself.

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I will take that bet , And you lose that bet by default. If he was within 100 points right now, he would stand a chance at the title. Saying he would stand NO chance automatically eliminates you. Pay up. Your still not getting it. I have said time and again, i dont mind that sort of racing, had it been anyone but Rossi, or another Yamaha rider, i would not have batted an eye. The fact that his own teammate is the one who took the chance of spoiling a championship says it all. Your butt hurt because Rossi got called to the carpet, why, im not sure. Maybe it's because Yamaha took the same stance as the few on here that dont think Rossi can do no wrong. Im not sure how many scenarios it will take to convince you that 56 points could be made up in 4 races had Lorenzo got injured. Its like the reasoning side of your brain has shut off.

povol said:

No , i didnt

Do these words sound familiar

Ok then......56 points over 3 races.





and its already reported that dani will miss sepang." untrue statement





Do i have proof that Dani would race this weekend if Lorenzo was out, of course not, but i would certainly bet the farm if he was.

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Wake up, wake up, your having a nightmare.

In Reality everything is still fine and all right, Lorenzo Has the cup, Rossi has lost it al ready. Wake up, your having a nightmare. Why dont you wake up, why dont you believe it?

povol said:

I will take that bet , And you lose that bet by default. If he was within 100 points right now, he would stand a chance at the title. Saying he would stand NO chance automatically eliminates you. Pay up. Your still not getting it. I have said time and again, i dont mind that sort of racing, had it been anyone but Rossi, or another Yamaha rider, i would not have batted an eye. The fact that his own teammate is the one who took the chance of spoiling a championship says it all. Your butt hurt because Rossi got called to the carpet, why, im not sure. Maybe it's because Yamaha took the same stance as the few on here that dont think Rossi can do no wrong. Im not sure how many scenarios it will take to convince you that 56 points could be made up in 4 races had Lorenzo got injured. Its like the reasoning side of your brain has shut off.

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I would simply bet that dani would not be able to catch up on points in that hypothetic situation, if it were a real situation i'd still be willing to bet real money, that dani wouldnt manage to pull it off. And only when the 4 races were finished would anyone be proved right or wrong...... But originally i never suggested that he wouldnt have a chance. I simply said it would be very unlikely. So why are you going on and on about the same thing in virtually every post?



Funny though how almost every single post you have ignored me in some way....in which case whats the point in you even posting/arguing, as you do it totally selectively. In fact its beyond selective....you are inventing things now.



You have ignored the main point, you have invented something which i am supposed to have suggested? You have constantly ignored the numbnut mistake i called you out on.......



Now stfu please because your boring and deluded and very annoying, and your rossi hate has driven you mad.



Oh and as for your "yamaha are anti rossi" and "they are on my side", dont forget where he is heading in a few short months, and where lorenzo will remain. Like i said ages ago you think yamaha would have sided with anyone had rossi dedicated the rest of his career to yamaha?

Rob said:

Dont talk to me about reasoning as you simply have NONE, christ you cannot even read properly and grasp the fact that your accusing me of something i never suggested. When are you going to realise that what you are accusing me of just doesnt exist!!! i never said ANYTHING was guaranteed. You just keep on ignoring the fact that i never said anything was guaranteed, and what i actually said originally was "its highly unlikely"



You are unable to point out where i said "its over, and that dani has no chance"? for the 50,000th time what i said was its highly unlikely.



Almost every single post you have ignored me in some way....in which case whats the point in you even posting/arguing, as you do it totally selectively. In fact its beyond selective....you are inventing things now.



You have ignored the main point, you have invented something which i am supposed to have said? You have constantly ignored the numbnut mistake i called you out on.......



Now stfu please because your boring and deluded and very annoying, and your rossi hate has driven you mad.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

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He is annoying and i dont mind admitting it.....he needs a good slap, the only dummy is this petulant prick, raving on about something which i havent even said in the first place.



And no matter how many times you try and point this simple fact out he just ignores and keeps on trolling.



His madness eclipses his annoyance.

Rob said:

He is annoying and i dont mind admitting it.....he needs a good slap.

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Could you please let me know if /when/how you plan to do this, and I'll lend you a stepladder and recommend some very competitive private health care.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Could you please let me know if /when/how you plan to do this, and I'll lend you a stepladder and recommend some very competitive private health care.

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Does that warrant a proper reply, maybe if i was still 15? IF only! but why are you getting involved? If you bothered to actually read how this moron started this ...., you would see that he was barking up the wrong tree from post 1.



This is where it really started...

povol said:

Your just not going to admit you have been proven wrong are you. Of course its hypothetical, but you are starting to use words like almost and maybe. Its starting to sink in to that thick skull of yours that Yamaha had every right to dress down Rossi for what his actions COULD have caused. As far as health and safety, maybe Rossi should not have been allowed to race this season with the bum shoulder and all, maybe thats what made him so dangerous to his teammate last week.

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Two things povol where all this started really.... the two bold sections are utter nonsense.



1, From my first post i have used phrases like "highly unlikely", never had i said anything was 100% guaranteed.

2, I never suggested that yamaha didnt have the right to dress down rossi, i simply questioned yamaha's motives for doing so....i suggested it was more to do with lorenzo's whining than yamaha's actual title concerns given the situation with pedrosa and jorge having already secured 69 points when they did it.



Besides you continue to dismiss lorenzo's part in this, and maintain(simply because you wont aswer this one) that vale should be responsible for lorenzo's title....do you realise how absurd that sounds?



This wont go anywhere mucker, as you have no argument. Its like banging your head(and mine) against a brick wall.