Motegi 2010 Moto GP...

rossiofsky said:

First of all, I meant the battle between Rossi and Stoner was Also for a 3th place and podium that since last sunday has lost it's worth, especially for those who wish the whole year that their favorite rider climb the podium even once.



and about your point, i think the same, if Horhay had won the battle Rossi hater's would have found it a very fair result. just like if Rossi was hunting for the championship, all the hater's would have found it a very silly idea that his team mate had to support him and finish behind him. there are at least 2 sides to all these story's.

I dont remember anyone of these people who are now so worry for Yamaha championships, had any care at all last years when Rossi was clinching the titles. back then they wanted to see fights between team mates untill last gp, So why suddenly theyr become so worry for Yamaha? are they Horhay supporter's? Mostly not. Are they Yamaha supporter's? No way. Are they Rossi hater's? Mostly are.

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this is no question of fairness to me. as i said, i enjoyed the battle and i admit that i am one of rossis biggest fans and motegi displayed his genius racecraft



i think many people around here are upset because they can imagine what the public reaction would have been if it was rossi in lorenzos shoes.



do i worry about yamaha?not really . do i worry about jorge?no,he already won the thing and proved to everyone that he's on top of the motorcycle world.

do i worry about racing and distorted views of questionable behaviour of the riders? sure. i really can't stand how so many folks here feel like you have insulted their messiah just because we dare to apply the same measure to him as to anybody.i suggest all blinded boppers to do that. (by the way, how can you count races where he goes off the track to win or shoves someone off-track as great victories?give the guy credit where credit is due and blame him when he should be ashamed of himself)



apply the same standard to everyone ,rossi will still be the GOAT,no worry.



i don'T know,maybe i don't appreciate guys aiming to destroy each other enough. since the racings become kinda boring in the last few years the only real excitement to many is jesus fighting the world and punish them if they dare to be faster than him

Rob said:

lol......someone hasnt been reading properly!!!!!



Failed on two count my old mucker, failing to see i was taking the piss with my first sentence, and absolutely failed to read whats right in front of your eyes only a couple of posts back.



Let me enlighten you:



"Its in the bag now, and its already reported that dani will miss sepang."



With pedrosa already being diagnosed with a double collarbone break in practise.....it makes all the news that yamaha were worried for the title during the race even more far fetched, and pretty much proves in my eyes that its more likely just the aftermath of a massive whine fest....in spanish.

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Really, thats weird, I saw this today



As yet, no decision has been taken on whether Pedrosa will fly out to Malaysia, the Spaniard maintaining there is a slim possibility he may yet race.



Please show Honda press release stating Pedrosa out for Malaysia

povol said:

Really, thats weird, I saw this today



As yet, no decision has been taken on whether Pedrosa will fly out to Malaysia, the Spaniard maintaining there is a slim possibility he may yet race.



Please show Honda press release stating Pedrosa out for Malaysia

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Not official, but realistic.



http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/06/pedrosa_certain_to_miss_sepang_motogp_ro.html



or more specifically:



"Though he did not rule out a return at Malaysia, both the team and Pedrosa judged the chances of that happening as being "very small". Pedrosa is suffering from a lot of stiffness in his neck and his shoulders, and is still incapable of moving his arm under his own strength. He is undergoing physiotherapy to help fix the problem, but it requires time for his shoulder to be strong enough to race again."



Just read mate and we will continue this hypothetical argument if you feel like it after.

Rob said:

Just read mate and we will continue this hypothetical argument if you feel like it after.

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well there is no point to it actually. lorenzo is not injured, he lost so both he and yamaha can shut up!



when you lose all you can do is try harder next time



in time he'll get used to it, next year it will be spies

povol said:

That is so absurd it was funny. You need some new yellow glasses, the ones you are wearing now are way past distorted.

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No need of any glasses here. I was on the racetracks before Rossi was born and surely have seen enough racing in my life to have a decent judgement, better than many. Cheers

Rob said:

http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/06/pedrosa_certain_to_miss_sepang_motogp_ro.html



or more specifically:



"Though he did not rule out a return at Malaysia, both the team and Pedrosa judged the chances of that happening as being "very small". Pedrosa is suffering from a lot of stiffness in his neck and his shoulders, and is still incapable of moving his arm under his own strength. He is undergoing physiotherapy to help fix the problem, but it requires time for his shoulder to be strong enough to race again."



Just read mate and we will continue this hypothetical argument if you feel like it after.

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Is it just me, or did anyone see a Honda press release stating that Pedrosa is out for Malaysia in any of those articles. This whole silly argument is about Rossi punting Jorge and Yamaha getting upset as to what MIGHT have happened as a result. Its not to far fetched to think that a season ending injury COULD occur. Had that occured, Lorenzo would only be 56 points up. In that situation, you would not be able to keep Pedrosa off the bike at gunpoint, considering he is talking about racing this weekend with virtually no chance of winning the title. Will Pedrosa race this weekend, probably not. Would he race if Rossi had knocked out Lorenzo for the year, 100000000% yes.

bill88 said:

well there is no point to it actually. lorenzo is not injured, he lost so both he and yamaha can shut up!



when you lose all you can do is try harder next time



in time he'll get used to it, next year it will be spies

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Exactly i am arguing that even had lorenzo crashed "because of rossi"....that with the injury dani sustained in practise(which obviously everyone at yamaha already knew about), it would have made little to no difference, even hypothetically speaking.



The point i am making is that this clap trap from yamaha, and some members here saying that it(motegi battle) was dangerous and a risk to the title is just pure shizzle.



Its most likely down to lorenzo moaning to the bosses and them making sure that the new no.1 rider is kept happy, not really down to any real concern for the title.

Babelfish said:

1. Ok Tom, now I've been through the tread and nowhere do I find where you say that Yamaha was right in going public with the critics of Rossi.



2. And all your opinions of the matter are based on your own interpretation of what happened, namely that Rossi were the one taking the the risks.



3. he made more subtle but no less effective blocking moves,

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1. You lose



2. I'm not denying Lorenzo took risks, never have. Rossi's moves were obviously more risky, as they are when he goes all out to win a battle.



3. There is a difference between taking the racing line from another rider and making contact and/or sudden movements to force them off the racing line. It's not just a matter of subtlety but a matter of safetey, i would expect you to understand that.

J4rn0 said:

No need of any glasses here. I surely have seen enough racing in my life to have a decent judgement, better than many. Cheers

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2 centimeters, already made the pass, didnt gain an advantage

povol said:

Is it just me, or did anyone see a Honda press release stating that Pedrosa is out for Malaysia in any of those articles. This whole silly argument is about Rossi punting Jorge and Yamaha getting upset as to what MIGHT have happened as a result. Its not to far fetched to think that a season ending injury COULD occur. Had that occured, Lorenzo would only be 56 points up. In that situation, you would not be able to keep Pedrosa off the bike at gunpoint, considering he is talking about racing this weekend with virtually no chance of winning the title. Will Pedrosa race this weekend, probably not. Would he race if Rossi had knocked out Lorenzo for the year, 100000000% yes.

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With an arm he cannot yet move on his own? Yeah a real strong position to start a race in, and lets not take into account health and safety which suddenly seems so paramount. Riding under pressure to score points whilst suffering with a double collarbone break?



The point is that even when humouring your hypothetic viewpoints, its still almost a zero chance it would have made any difference.



Certainly not enough for yamaha to come forward and make a statement......no i fancy that was lorenzo's doing.

povol said:

You didnt wonder ...., you didnt know. Just like you dont know that there is 4 races left, not 3.

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Still waiting for you to explain this.....seeing as every mistake gets pounced upon here usually.

povol said:

2 centimeters, already made the pass, didnt gain an advantage

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Yes, sure. Anybody who knows what racing his, has recognized that pass as something amazing. Going into the dirt wasn't intentional and did not help Rossi at all. Had it been the reverse, Stoner on Rossi, I would still say the same. But I doubt you would... Your take of it would immediately change

Rob said:

With an arm he cannot yet move on his own? Yeah a real strong position to start a race in, and lets not take into account health and safety which suddenly seems so paramount. Riding under pressure to score points whilst suffering with a double collarbone break?



The point is that even when humouring your hypothetic viewpoints, its still almost a zero chance it would have made any difference.



Certainly not enough for yamaha to come forward and make a statement......no i fancy that was lorenzo's doing.







Still waiting for you to explain this.....seeing as every mistake gets pounced upon here usually.

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Your just not going to admit you have been proven wrong are you. Of course its hypothetical, but you are starting to use words like almost and maybe. Its starting to sink in to that thick skull of yours that Yamaha had every right to dress down Rossi for what his actions COULD have caused. As far as health and safety, maybe Rossi should not have been allowed to race this season with the bum shoulder and all, maybe thats what made him so dangerous to his teammate last week.

Rob said:

So you are a sheep herder then? Ahahahahaha please its too much lollllllll

Yay lets have a quote off!!!

In terms of the rossi hate i think this is an obvious quote:



"Familiarity breeds contempt"



And in terms of some of the posts on this thread:



Will Rogers: "After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him". The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.

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It's only a metaphor but I can live with being a shepherd if you can live with being a sheep.

Keshav said:

I can live with being a shepherd if you can live with being a sheep.

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Remind me of the zebra who thinks its a lion.

Should someone tell these guys the horse is dead?

cliché guevara said:

this is no question of fairness to me. as i said, i enjoyed the battle and i admit that i am one of rossis biggest fans and motegi displayed his genius racecraft



i think many people around here are upset because they can imagine what the public reaction would have been if it was rossi in lorenzos shoes.



do i worry about yamaha?not really . do i worry about jorge?no,he already won the thing and proved to everyone that he's on top of the motorcycle world.

do i worry about racing and distorted views of questionable behaviour of the riders? sure. i really can't stand how so many folks here feel like you have insulted their messiah just because we dare to apply the same measure to him as to anybody.i suggest all blinded boppers to do that. (by the way, how can you count races where he goes off the track to win or shoves someone off-track as great victories?give the guy credit where credit is due and blame him when he should be ashamed of himself)



apply the same standard to everyone ,rossi will still be the GOAT,no worry.



i don'T know,maybe i don't appreciate guys aiming to destroy each other enough. since the racings become kinda boring in the last few years the only real excitement to many is jesus fighting the world and punish them if they dare to be faster than him

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I dont remember those people you mention ever been upset when Rossi lost a battle. So maybe that has something to do with it.

I will blame Rossi and my other favorites whenever i see something of them or whenever i want, but certainly not for making other's (especially hater's) happy.



as long as you and others criticise Rossi or any other rider, it's your right, but you cant criticise fans of those rider's for not thinking the same way as you.



as much as i believe in what you say about Messiah and his worshipers, i also believe, that there are some who have a satanic picture of Rossi in their mind and theyr always there to criticise him for whatever they think.

Lorenzo said none of Rossi moves were ILlegal, So what are you talking about? Feel free to criticise him, but dont expect me to think like you.



and about the questionable behaviour of the riders, what did you say when Hayden passed Horhay in last gp, or when Casey said he is ready to ride in to some rider's. Were you also fast enough to condamn them for their behavior or not?

povol said:

Your just not going to admit you have been proven wrong are you. Of course its hypothetical, but you are starting to use words like almost and maybe. Its starting to sink in to that thick skull of yours that Yamaha had every right to dress down Rossi for what his actions COULD have caused. As far as health and safety, maybe Rossi should not have been allowed to race this season with the bum shoulder and all, maybe thats what made him so dangerous to his teammate last week.

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Thats it my old mucker, you have ignored me twice now when i asked for an explanation........you clearly cannot answer a simple question.



As for your whole theory, i got news for you mate....its shoddy at best.



You cling all your ranting on the fact that pedrosa MIGHT make it to seppang, and once there MIGHT get third place, and MIGHT not drop his mike, whilst Lorenzo MIGHT not make it back from his hypothetical injury before the 4 races are done.



Then you talk to me about using the words maybe? my original post about "what could have happened" included the line:



69 points gap with 4 races and a broken collarbone would be highly unlikely



You have so far:



1, Not read posts correctly and posted something mistakenly making yourself look a ....



2, Missed my whole point entirely...which is that yamaha were not actually complaining because they were worried about the title, but rather because of pressure from jorge....nothing to do with them not having the right(every team has the right to do what the hell they like behind the scenes)



3, Showed that you are losing your cool probably because of the realisation of the above two points.



How on earth can you prove me wrong when we are talking hypothetically? please explain? Never once did i say it was impossible for dani to win....i said that it was highly unlikely, and for that reason the whole yamaha involvement was questionable....especially as jorge had already secured the 69 points when they made the complaint to rossi.



Another in a long list of fails.

Rob said:

With an arm he cannot yet move on his own? Yeah a real strong position to start a race in, and lets not take into account health and safety which suddenly seems so paramount. Riding under pressure to score points whilst suffering with a double collarbone break?



The point is that even when humouring your hypothetic viewpoints, its still almost a zero chance it would have made any difference.



Certainly not enough for yamaha to come forward and make a statement......no i fancy that was lorenzo's doing.







Still waiting for you to explain this.....seeing as every mistake gets pounced upon here usually.

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Ok, i will draw it for you with a crayon if that helps



There is 4 races left, not 3

There is a 56 point difference, not 69

There has been no press release stating Pedrosa is out, nor would there be if Rossi had injured Lorenzo.

Your mistakes as you call them invalidate your argument. Even if he did miss this weeks race and came back to get three 2nd place finishes, he would win the title if Lorenzo was not there. He could place 9th this weekend, get a 4th the next race and 2nd in the remaining two races and win the title. Are you starting to see why Yamaha was upset with Rossi. Probably not, because all you care about is Rossi and where he finishes.

Rob said:

Thats it my old mucker, you have ignored me twice now when i asked for an explanation........you clearly cannot answer a simple question.



As for your whole theory, i got news for you mate....its shoddy at best.



You cling all your ranting on the fact that pedrosa MIGHT make it to seppang, and once there MIGHT get third place, and MIGHT not drop his mike, whilst Lorenzo MIGHT not make it back from his hypothetical injury before the 4 races are done.



Then you talk to me about using the words maybe?

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not to mention, it began with IF Lorenzo had crashed and IF he was out for the rest of the year.

what's the point in talking like if this had happened or if that had happened ..



and rossi did not do to lorenzo what eslick did to herrin (for example)



yamaha was wrong to expect anything different than this from rossi



yamaha wants the safe route to the title so they should tell jorge to cruise around



besides they have no power over rossi anymore