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Motard talk

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So I'll be breaking free of my 250 restriction soon and I've been thinking about my next bike. I'm going into University this year, so theres a bit of a limit as far as money's concerned. Originally I wanted a ZXR750 because it's Green, and it's got a good balance of usable power for a sportsbike, and the front end is a mechanical work of art, and it's not a Honda. But a few mates have been trying to convince me into getting one of them freaky Motard things. A few nighst ago I actually had a nightmare about the confused machines, and I woke up realizing that a Motard will do everything I want out of a sportsbike (Except going stupidly fast), for a lot cheaper.
So I've been looking around for good mud slingers to give a good dose of road refinement to. Obviously I'd prefer a Kawasaki because I don't want anyone to think I'm a wuss. The Kawa enduro series, the KLXs have caught my eye. I don't know a lot about dirt bikes, but my bro tells me these are a pretty good lot. The options would therefore be the 250, 400, 450 or the 650. I've been on 250s for two years now, so I'm sick of the highway power defecit, even though the light weight of the 250 is really appealing. The 400 and 450 are both pretty modern bikes that are a bit out of the price range, even though they're both sweet machines that would make beutiful motards. That leaves the old, heavy ones (kinda like Roger.) I'm seriously considering the 650s because the price is right, and 650 motards have the extra ponies that makes highways possible where low-geared, torque-tuned 450s and 250s can't hack it. The disadvantage is the bike is a lot heavier, obviously still rideable, but I'm worried that the extra kilos will eat into the fun factor on the bike which, as a motard, is all about light weight. I've also heard that these 650 mud slingers tend to be good for midrange, not so much low-down. Have I been misled?
Then theres the conversion to do. I'm going into an engineering course so I'd like to try and bulid it myself. I've got an article that I'm yet to read about the whle thing but as I understand it the basic mods are wheels, suspension, gearing and engine tuning. It's pretty straightforward except for the wheels. I've heard horror stories of road rims getting fitted, and then putting a decent rear hoop on only to discover that it wont fit in the confines of the dirtbike swingarm. What's usually done to overcome this?
I'm sure there's some of you out there into this freaky, confused form of motorcycling. I remember reading somthing Roger posted about playing with Motards, but I don't belive him because a man of his proportions can ride nothing smaller that a Prime mover.
 
i love motards, i had a ccm644 R30 and it was great although i would recommend the ktm lc4 or honda crm450 but i no you hate hondas and they fetch big bucks anyway.
what sort of riding do you do fatboy. a 650 motard will only do a 100 mph flatout and are pretty hard on your arse after about 50 miles but you cant beat them around the streets.
they look really cool with spoked wheels but if your going to ride on motorways at high speed i would recommend cast wheels as you can use tubeless tyres which is a lot safer if you get a puncture.
they are great fun on the tight twistys,no one on a sports bike could keep with me.
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I want an all rounder, chubby. I want somthing I can ride to uni and work, and somthing to play around the twisties on a weekend. Commuting for me involves highway running for about ten minutes, and as it will be my only form of transport I'd prefer somthing that's at least highway-capable anyway.
Realistically, I'd be happy with 100mph tops, I mean, the fastest you can legally go on Aussie roads is about 70mph, and I'm not getting this thing to drag off R1s, or become a cop magnet. As long as it pulls like a 14 y/o for the first time, It'll bring a grin to my face.
Were yours factory motards or did you build 'em, Rog? Ideally I'd get a 450 (I really like the looks of the RMZ400-SM) but its all money, you know? The KLXs weigh in at about 150 kgs (310 pounds in the old speak) Will it suffer being a (comparitively) big bike?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 2 2007, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I want an all rounder, chubby. I want somthing I can ride to uni and work, and somthing to play around the twisties on a weekend. Commuting for me involves highway running for about ten minutes, and as it will be my only form of transport I'd prefer somthing that's at least highway-capable anyway.
Realistically, I'd be happy with 100mph tops, I mean, the fastest you can legally go on Aussie roads is about 70mph, and I'm not getting this thing to drag off R1s, or become a cop magnet. As long as it pulls like a 14 y/o for the first time, It'll bring a grin to my face.
Were yours factory motards or did you build 'em, Rog? Ideally I'd get a 450 (I really like the looks of the RMZ400-SM) but its all money, you know? The KLXs weigh in at about 150 kgs (310 pounds in the old speak) Will it suffer being a (comparitively) big bike?
mine was a factory bike, hand built in blackburn. it had a suzuki engine wp suspention,brembo brakes ect.

ccm R30

i no you hate honda's but these make ace motards

xr650

dont forget to where proper mx boots, i got spat over the handlebars a couple of time's backing it in.
"if you aint sliding you aint riding"

but if you feel like spending more for exotica then this is the baby.

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Yeah, getting a KLX will depend on avaliability, so I'll have to consider the XR.... but only if I get really desperate. Where I come from buying a Honda is rated up there with joining a terroist organisation or Its still all a few months away, gotta get settled back in after Japan and get some money together, I'm just getting excited about it all.
Got some more info on the KLXs today, apparently post-'98 models are the way to go. That's when they merged the doughy but reliable road version with the non-road registerable off-road version to make a bike that goes hard, and goes and goes and goes. Apparently a great motorcycle.
 
yeah klx's are cool just stay away from the klr,i think they used to .... the heads.
check these out,scrol down and check out the single sider.

linky
 
I wouldnt recomend a motard basically because i havtn ridden one asn dont know what all the fuss is about, would love to have a go though.

Things to consider though; they have no fairing, so its gonna get windy, the seats are horrible, and the fuel tanks are tiny, so they need filling up a lot.

Might be worth considering a smaller capacity sports bike, or perhaps somethng a little more comfortable andless sport, but still all the fun, sv650's are fairly good allrounders.
 
You can't go wrong with a motard. The only problem is you might have to change the oil more often, and if you have STRONG cross winds where you live, you'll have no chicken strips from just going straight. Also big bore 650's feel like they have a paint mixer for a engine. I had NO fun riding this ulra trick XR650r, and KTM Duke. They may have removed the counterbalancers or something but it made the handle bars look bllluuuuurrrrrrrrrrryyy!

I think ewan and charlie would have had 10x the fun on one around the world.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 3 2007, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wouldnt recomend a motard basically because i havtn ridden one asn dont know what all the fuss is about, would love to have a go though.

Things to consider though; they have no fairing, so its gonna get windy, the seats are horrible, and the fuel tanks are tiny, so they need filling up a lot.

Might be worth considering a smaller capacity sports bike, or perhaps somethng a little more comfortable andless sport, but still all the fun, sv650's are fairly good allrounders.

Yeah, but for inner city riding and twisites (which is most of what I do), they're perfect. Things like fuel range, faring and comfort are what you'd consider when buying a tourer, and thats not what I'm in the market for. I want somthing that'll take me around town, and somtihng that can bring a grin to my face on tight, winding roads. I think a Motard is perfect. The problem with "All rounders" is they lack guts. I know for a fact the SV650 is a bad case of this. Sure, it will do anything you want it to do, but it's a bit of a slug that lacks the power to have real fun. Motards on the other hand are tuned for good low down, and are a hell of a lot lighter than sportsbikes, so they accelerate hard. Real hard. The geometry of a dirtbike also makes them naturally more nimble, which is again not so good for long runs, but exactly what you want in the inner city or in the twisties. I'll admit they're not everyone's peice of cake, but I think it'll be perfect for what I want. I've ridden dirtbikes on the road, they're just fun, and having road oriented suspension and tyres would just make them better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 2 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah klx's are cool just stay away from the klr,i think they used to .... the heads.
check these out,scrol down and check out the single sider.

linky

Yeah, KLRs arent the way to go, and the KXs arent road legal, so KLX is the bike of choice.

...you speak Frenchie, Rog?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Jan 3 2007, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also big bore 650's feel like they have a paint mixer for a engine. I had NO fun riding this ulra trick XR650r, and KTM Duke. They may have removed the counterbalancers or something but it made the handle bars look bllluuuuurrrrrrrrrrryyy!

Yeah, I heard that 650s are chuggers, but I've also heard that they can be grunty .......s too. Oh well, we'll mutate it until I'm happy.
 
Yes i agree, allrounders are not somethin i'm interested in at all, just too much compromise to do anythng particularly well. It sounds like your pretty set on a motard, i thought about it for a wile but i ride on some more open roads, so it didnt seem logical. Plus of course, i am very very poor.
 
I would go for the Ninja 600, but if you're interested in motards take a look at the Aprilia SXV.

550cc V-twin, style, uniqueness, power and light as a feather.
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Aprilia SXV
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Jan 4 2007, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would go for the Ninja 600, but if you're interested in motards take a look at the Aprilia SXV.

550cc V-twin, style, uniqueness, power and light as a feather.
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Aprilia SXV
WOW I LIKE IT !!!.
think thats out of burgerboys budget though.
 
You wouldn't like it Roger, theres no Pizza rack.

But I'll take one if you got one to spare, Teo (An SXV, not a pizza)

Wouldn't mind a ZX6R... daydreaming
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Dec 31 2006, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>a few mates have been trying to convince me into getting one of them freaky Motard things.
Richo, you need to get this: If you can't afford it, cheat, borrow, and steal.
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This is the greatest Motard you can get, period. It will do everything you want it to. Speed, agility, highway, canyon, commuter, track, get you a better girlfriend, whatever, etc. You can smoke most roadbikes and dirtbikes our there with this.

(don't listen to anybody who thinks Motards are a compromise. They’ve never ridden one. (Its like saying, yeah, I not into the acceleration of a spaceshuttle, even though I'm not an astronaut).
 
Tad, outta the price range Jumkie, but If I see one parked on a deserted street with the keys in it, I might have to consider a life of crime, or at least a few minutes of it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 16 2007, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tad, outta the price range Jumkie, but If I see one parked on a deserted street with the keys in it, I might have to consider a life of crime, or at least a few minutes of it.
Like I said Richo, you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
I'd buy a TDR 250 and get Stan Stephens to tune the nuts off it. I want a blue one to match my Tenere!

For those of you who dont know, the TDR was a TZR 250 engine in a sort of super ...... chassis, I wanted one bad when they came out and I still do. As practical as a motorised skateboard but who cares.

Heres a pic of one with a set of TZR wheels.....

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 24 2007, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd buy a TDR 250 and get Stan Stephens to tune the nuts off it. I want a blue one to match my Tenere!

For those of you who dont know, the TDR was a TZR 250 engine in a sort of super ...... chassis, I wanted one bad when they came out and I still do. As practical as a motorised skateboard but who cares.

Heres a pic of one with a set of TZR wheels.....

Pete
its a good idea pete, 2 stroke supermoto's didnt really catch on, there were a few being raced at one time but you just dont see them anymore, mabe it was the lack of engine braking needed to back it in. you got me thinking tho, i like strokers and im wondering how cheap they are at the moment, ummm i feel a build comming on.
 

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