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michaelm said:
Yes, he was such a disruptive influence at Yamaha that he won their last 3 world championships, and oddly they don’t look particularly likely to win the title for a second year with his baleful influence removed.

Maybe the improvements of the Ducati bike are all down to Gigi, but it doesn’t look particularly likely Dovi is responsible to me, apart from riding very well last year and at Qatar and again in the recent race. Gigi by all reports wanted Jorge to stay.
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You read too much into what was an anodyne statement. He can be unpleasant and still be effective as a rider. I never said he had become unwelcome. And you are one of the foremost persons purveyors of the rider as developer is a myth narrative. I agree on that. As to Gigi wanting him to stay, that's a given. They have history and a strong relationship. No surprise there. The bike, in any case had made the bulk of its major improvements, under Gigi's supervision, well before Lorenzo came aboard. My point was only that Lorenzo might be getting pointers from his manager about presenting a less sullen demeanor to attract better notices from the press, and to not present over much as a primadonna to the folks at HRC, who by all reports are quite happy with Marquez.
 
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Little Walter said:
You read too much into what was an anodyne statement. He can be unpleasant and still be effective as a rider. I never said he had become unwelcome. And you are one of the foremost persons purveyors of the rider as developer is a myth narrative. I agree on that. As to Gigi wanting him to stay, that's a given. They have history and a strong relationship. No surprise there. The bike, in any case had made the bulk of its major improvements, under Gigi's supervision, well before Lorenzo came aboard. My point was only that Lorenzo might be getting pointers from his manager about presenting a less sullen demeanor to attract better notices from the press, and to not present over much as a primadonna to the folks at HRC, who by all reports are quite happy with Marquez.
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Perhaps so. Then again perhaps he just thought he and Dovi had both ridden good races, and Dovi deserved to be congratulated for beating him fair and square if closely.

I would have been happy were I Jorge, if I am not mistaken he was competitive on the hard tire for the first time, and beat MM riding same.
 
libby said:
Jorge rode a blinder
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Fastest lap of the race on a hard tire and competitive for the win on a hard tire for the first time, and riding a completely different strategy than in most of his later career wins.

All credit to Dovi, he was too good for Jorge to make a pass on him which would stick but I tend to agree with the commentators that had Jorge been able to make a pass stick he had the late race pace to stay in front.
 
Booing was pretty prominent during park ferme interviews.

....... idiotic rossi fans .... what the hell do they want?

Dont they realise they are really just booing rossi for not achieving :rolleyes:
 
BarryMachine said:
Booing was pretty prominent during park ferme interviews.

....... idiotic rossi fans .... what the hell do they want?

Dont they realise they are really just booing rossi for not achieving :rolleyes:
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Yes, the yellow mustard ... clowns were out in full swing. Sad group of people they are.
 
synn said:
I don’t know how many people here watched the press conference of all the tech heads, but Yamaha did something rare and admitted that they ...... up with the engine and that’s the reason the riders have too much wheelspin.

It’s clear that given a bike that is equal to the Honda and the Ducati, Rossi can still win races. But that’s not going to happen this year.
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Yamaha had a better bike than Honda in 13-15-16 and part of 17 until tire swap and Rossi can win a race or two when things fall his way, but winning a couple of races won’t win you a championship in a field this stacked.
 
Little Walter said:
Lorenzo sure put on a show in Parc Ferme, looking all congratulatory to Dovi. His rep for being a disruptive negative influence in the garage may be catching up with him.
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Since you know him personally to say that. Lets assume that assessment is correct. At least he try's to be better than the not so great rossi........
 
povol said:
Yamaha had a better bike than Honda in 13-15-16 and part of 17 until tire swap and Rossi can win a race or two when things fall his way, but winning a couple of races won’t win you a championship in a field this stacked.
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Yes in todays list of competitors, rossi is the Gibernau, Capirosi etc.

Hes doing ok though ..... but due in part to the early season woes of the likes of Dovi and Lorenzo ..... and in huge part ... he seems less susceptible to his or his teams paranoid delusions this year.
 
synn said:
I don’t know how many people here watched the press conference of all the tech heads, but Yamaha did something rare and admitted that they ...... up with the engine and that’s the reason the riders have too much wheelspin.

It’s clear that given a bike that is equal to the Honda and the Ducati, Rossi can still win races. But that’s not going to happen this year.
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As long as Marc and Jorge continue in motogp. There is nothing yamaha can do to buy rossi anther world title. Uncle carmelo put him back a yamaha, change the tires for him & still no title. And this ........ about the spec ecu/software package holding them back. Rewind a few years back when it was announce the spec ecu/software was coming. It was suggested that yamaha would not suffer much since their proprietary factory system is magneti marelli....
 
BarryMachine said:
Yes in todays list of competitors, rossi is the Gibernau, Capirosi etc.

Hes doing ok though ..... but due in part to the early season woes of the likes of Dovi and Lorenzo ..... and in huge part ... he seems less susceptible to his or his teams paranoid delusions this year.
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Yes, no problem with him this year since Argentina, he is just racing now and doing so rather well all things considered.
 
povol said:
Yamaha had a better bike than Honda in 13-15-16 and part of 17 until tire swap and Rossi can win a race or two when things fall his way, but winning a couple of races won’t win you a championship in a field this stacked.
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He is second in the championship without a single win “in a field this stacked”.
So yes, with a few wins added to that, there’s a very good chance he can win the championship.
 
synn said:
He is second in the championship without a single win “in a field this stacked”.
So yes, with a few wins added to that, there’s a very good chance he can win the championship.
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Being second in the standings with this stacked field is indeed creditable, but MM is the problem as has been said, he has a nearly 2 maximum points race lead, with 5 wins, and Rossi’s (and his) non-points scoring race would likely have been a 6th win sans the incident which wouldn’t have helped Valentino.
 
povol said:
Yamaha had a better bike than Honda in 13-15-16 and part of 17 until tire swap and Rossi can win a race or two when things fall his way, but winning a couple of races won’t win you a championship in a field this stacked.
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You are not credible, gramps. You were one of many who said Maverick will wipe the Yamaha garage floor clean with Rossi. So what happen? How is that working out?
 
synn said:
He is second in the championship without a single win “in a field this stacked”.
So yes, with a few wins added to that, there’s a very good chance he can win the championship.
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He is two races down, so what f he wins a couple of races. Marquez on average will podium and Rossi will make up minimal points.
 
paparazzo said:
You are not credible, gramps. You were one of many who said Maverick will wipe the Yamaha garage floor clean with Rossi. So what happen? How is that working out?
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And did if memory serves. Now we have Rossi leading Yamaha down developmental path to destruction ,but hey, at least he stopped his teammate because that he the first person you have to beat, right? . Now we are hearing that the Yamaha problem is the engine itself after listening to Rossi babble on for months about electronics.
 
povol said:
And did if memory serves. Now we have Rossi leading Yamaha down developmental path to destruction ,but hey, at least he stopped his teammate because that he the first person you have to beat, right? . Now we are hearing that the Yamaha problem is the engine itself after listening to Rossi babble on for months about electronics.
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The only manufacturer to have podiums until this round and P2 rider in the standings.

AKA “Development path of destruction” in Neanderthal land.
 
Great to see Lorenzo coming to grip with the hard tire...he might have pulled the pin a little too soon. All in all a good performance. Congrats to Dovi, he keeps his cool one more time.
 
synn said:
I don’t know how many people here watched the press conference of all the tech heads, but Yamaha did something rare and admitted that they ...... up with the engine and that’s the reason the riders have too much wheelspin.

It’s clear that given a bike that is equal to the Honda and the Ducati, Rossi can still win races. But that’s not going to happen this year.
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Yes, the ability of the Yam to pick up and go is pretty ropey.

As for a bike that is equal to the Honda, I suppose that depends on how you measure the standard of the bike. By that I mean that realistically if you remove the MM factor, the Honda looks pretty toillette.
If you mean an equal bike in terms of acceleration then yes, I think Vale could've won races this year. But he would still be 2nd in the championship, just by 10 or so less points.
 
synn said:
The only manufacturer to have podiums until this round and P2 rider in the standings.

AKA “Development path of destruction” in Neanderthal land.
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Good,you have admitted it, no more whining from you and the sheep about the Yamaha being a turd . Now if you can come to grips that Rossi is not in Marquez’ league you will be a much happier little boy.
 

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