Michelin are bloody useless

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 15 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I used to write off Lex too. But if you look back at his posts before the start of the season, you know the posts where eveyone was calling BS, his stuff actually makes sense now. Although he sounds a bit far fetched from time to time, I won't write him off till proven guilty.

It's funny, maybe he is a paddock junky, you never know. Oh did I say junky I meant Jumkie.

Thank you, Sack. A little support from the peanut gallery is always appreciated.

BTW, I don't have a problem with people writing off many off my relatively hair-brained assertions, but like I've said so many times before---the crazy people are the ones who believe DORNA held emergency tire meetings at the end of 2007 and resolved to change nothing.

Last I checked Michelin were leaving the sport, then suddenly they were back in. I suppose at the very least DORNA could have given them a huge chunk of money to help them get their act together and to provide compensation for sending Vale to Bstone. But such a simple solution would do nothing to reduce the cost of manufacturing tires in MGP, if anything it would make the problem worse. Furthermore, it doesn't explain Stoner's hilarious struggle with B-stone when they randomly stopped supplying him with his tires--only to have them available for testing the day after the race.

Ezy tipped his hand when he revealed that the manufacturing commission has no pact with the tire manufacturers. How long ago was it that we were saying their were no secret pacts in MotoGP?

Oh well, if both Michelin and Bstone stay in the sport, the secrecy will come to light eventually. It always has/does.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 16 2008, 03:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Impressive. May I ask what kind of investigation?
Well babel,his investigation is way beyond us..since he was the best in Scotland Yard academy


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Aug 16 2008, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they're in disarray, that's for sure
They're totally ...... up this season. Thanks for the departure of Rossi

It's a bit hard to judge now that the best Michelin riders have their bones or confidence shattered. We'll see in a month or so where they stand.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 15 2008, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a bit hard to judge now that the best Michelin riders have their bones or confidence shattered. We'll see in a month or so where they stand.

Or Maybe its because their best Michelin rider left

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Aug 15 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SWack, where is palos robles, nor -cal or so-cal vicinity?

Central Pacific Coast, CA, next to San Luis Obispo. AMA Supersport rider Jake Zemke is from here although I have never seen or met him. Thats about it and if you want to get your wine tasting on its cool. Oh yeah and the UFC fighter Chuck Lidell, I've seen him a few times around. Not much else out here but some tasty roads and a nice ride to Laguna is only about 2 hours.

I think the Michelins are OK. The poor performace is more about the riders.

Lorenzo - Was doing exceptionally well for a rookie unitl he got injured, and is still not 100%

Pedrosa - Was leading the championship until he fell and was injured, still not 100%

Edwards - Couldn't win when Michelins were dominating

Toseland - Rookie and doesn't know the tracks

Dovizioso - Rookie, not the best bike, still going OK

De Puniet - Can't finish a race without crashing

Hayden - Hasn't won to much even though he's had alot of time on the best bike (990s) when michelins were dominating, now riding a bike that doesn't suit his style

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alfonz1 @ Aug 16 2008, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the Michelins are OK. The poor performace is more about the riders.

Lorenzo - Was doing exceptionally well for a rookie unitl he got injured, and is still not 100%

Pedrosa - Was leading the championship until he fell and was injured, still not 100%

Edwards - Couldn't win when Michelins were dominating

Toseland - Rookie and doesn't know the tracks

Dovizioso - Rookie, not the best bike, still going OK

De Puniet - Can't finish a race without crashing

Hayden - Hasn't won to much even though he's had alot of time on the best bike (990s) when michelins were dominating, now riding a bike that doesn't suit his style
Michelin has just about said it them selves that they didn't manage to develope a good fronttire since the test.Besides just about every M rider is having trouble with the front/front tire.
Didn't Toseland use to race WSBK on this cirquit.By the way he did 1.59.3 in FP 2,how far would that go in WSBK ? As he has said that it is as hard to win in Moto GP as WSBK i wonder what time he would have had on a Superbike then...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 15 2008, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not much else out here but some tasty roads and a nice ride to Laguna is only about 2 hours.
I'm jealous
Santa Rosa nearby?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 15 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Central Pacific Coast, CA, next to San Luis Obispo. AMA Supersport rider Jake Zemke is from here although I have never seen or met him. Thats about it and if you want to get your wine tasting on its cool. Oh yeah and the UFC fighter Chuck Lidell, I've seen him a few times around. Not much else out here but some tasty roads and a nice ride to Laguna is only about 2 hours.
I visited there after Laguna in 2003. Really beautiful area, tons of vineyards. Lucky guy, Wack.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 15 2008, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a bit hard to judge now that the best Michelin riders have their bones or confidence shattered. We'll see in a month or so where they stand.

Michelin are definitely inferior at the moment, but I think the situation does look worse than it is due to the circumstances of Michelins best 3 riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 15 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I used to write off Lex too. But if you look back at his posts before the start of the season, you know the posts where eveyone was calling BS, his stuff actually makes sense now. Although he sounds a bit far fetched from time to time, I won't write him off till proven guilty.

Now you turn it upside down. Lex is not on trial, but he put motoGP on trial, and it's way overdue HE produced som evidence. When I ask about the resurfacing it's an honest question that truned funny because he don't even try to substantiate why the resurfacing is no big deal.

Just hours before we were told by the eurosport commentators what the tire companies actually does. Using lazer or molds they calculate how sharp the stones in the surface are and they calculate the wear up the next year. Having data from race weekend is obviously not enough as wear will force a diffrerent tire due to less agressive surface.

I've come to the conclusion that Michelin never were that good and never had any competition, could fly in custom tyres overnight to make them look great.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 16 2008, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've come to the conclusion that Michelin never were that good and never had any competition, could fly in custom tyres overnight to make them look great.

No, michelin has little to nothing to show for them in MotoGP/GP500.
And while it looked like no competition, have you ever considerd that it looked that way simply because M were way ahead of the competition?
But what do I care, conclude with whatever you want.