Lorenzo: It’s like tennis…

HEISMAN · Jul 16, 2015

Capirossi is still the current Saftey Officer; he hasn't gone anywhere.

OK I get it, you dislike Rossi and you want justice to be served by wishing him to lose. That's great and all.

What you fail to consider is Rossi's 'vote' didn't tip the balance during the vote. The softer option best suited him on the Ducati. He didn't convene with Capirossi so he could have Stoner lose the championship. He had other things on his plate that year than wondering how to try to screw Stoner over.

It had been presented as a safety issue, Pedrosa added, but while it made no real difference to the other bikes - the Yamahas and Ducatis prefer the "33", the newer spec front Bridgestone, but the old one works just fine - it was causing the Hondas such massive problems that they were having to ride at the limit in every corner. The front chatter was terrible, and would take a lot of work to fix.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/06/05/2012_catalunya_motogp_test_round_up_prog.html

The vote benefited the Yamaha and Ducati riders because in their self-interest, they want to win. In order to accomplish that, they need to be closer to the front, so if they end result of the vote meant that Honda would encounter issues, I assume the other riders were fine with that.

But if you're saying because Rossi typically likes the hardest front option available, and voted for it out of spite for Stoner, then that's ridiculous. He chose the softer option at the juncture because it offered him the best setup at the time . It was in his 'self-interest'.

To answer your other question on why a rider would want less grip? Because if your choices are having a tire that will disintegrate during a race or will last its entirety with less grip, which would you choose?

Bridgestone listened to the 2010/2012 champ and to his rivals, then went home to Japan and modified its tyres with a special treatment that fixed the edge. The treatment is top secret, but it probably has something to do with how it layers the rubber.

Lorenzo was delighted, until he got to the few tracks where high tyre temperatures were such a concern that Bridgestone didn’t dare treat the edge of its tyres.

But before you start concocting conspiracy theories, do please remember that in the murky, ambiguous world of bike racing there’s always something that doesn’t neatly fit the story. At Mugello Lorenzo won without the edge-treatment tech. Even Bridgestone aren’t sure how that worked. Perhaps the track temperature was high enough to give him the feel he needed on the very limit, or perhaps it was a case of mind over matter, that hugely important and always unquantifiable factor in motorcycle racing.

How tyres could decide the 2015 MotoGP title - MotoGP - Motor Sport Magazine

birdman · Jul 16, 2015

HEISMAN said:
Capirossi is still the current Saftey Officer; he hasn't gone anywhere.

OK I get it, you dislike Rossi and you want justice to be served by wishing him to lose. That's great and all.

What you fail to consider is Rossi's 'vote' didn't tip the balance during the vote. The softer option best suited him on the Ducati. He didn't convene with Capirossi so he could have Stoner lose the championship. He had other things on his plate that year than wondering how to try to screw Stoner over.

The vote benefited the Yamaha and Ducati riders because in their self-interest, they want to win. In order to accomplish that, they need to be closer to the front, so if they end result of the vote meant that Honda would encounter issues, I assume the other riders were fine with that.

But if you're saying because Rossi typically likes the hardest front option available, and voted for it out of spite for Stoner, then that's ridiculous. He chose the softer option at the juncture because it offered him the best setup at the time . It was in his 'self-interest'.

To answer your other question on why a rider would want less grip? Because if your choices are having a tire that will disintegrate during a race or will last its entirety with less grip, which would you choose?

Its not about who I like and dislike, Im hoping Lorenzo wins rather than Rossi sure, I go for the riders I like no doubt about it, I am biased. You do realise your pro Rossi tendency does come out in your posts, yet I actually like that in a debate, makes it more interesting. Its just interesting how things turned out on reflection.

I find the "you don't like Rossi" response a bit of a cop out. It adds nothing to the debate. Stick to the topic at hand.

It was Rossi who later came out and said the harder tire was the better option. He even went as far as to say Stoner was right in his criticism of the soft, presumably the way it deformed under heavy braking and his prediction it would eventually cause problems, and not improve safety at all. Rossi's explanation of voting for the soft was he was ...... on the Duc and had nothing to lose. That's fine, don't have problem with it at all. Just noting the irony of the whole story to this point.

1. The soft tires Capi championed under 'safety' became a safety problem when they disintegrated at PI. I rarely hear him mentioned since.

2. Rossi voted for the softies. Next year he moved to Yamaha, but was only ever a distant fourth, on those same softies. Ironic. On the harder tires of 2014 Rossi was much more competitive.

3. Since the 'vote' there hasn't been a vote since. Why not. In fact only one ever rider 'vote' in all the years of motogp. Interesting isn't it. There must of been a reason for it. Oh yes 'safety'. Ironic safety went down. Ironic there even was a vote in the first place, except they were exceptional circumstances. Lots of irony around here.

I have no doubt the soft was put in place to help Rossi with the very specific front end vague feeling of the Duc. That it happened to suit Lorenzo so much I think ended being up an unintended consequence, specifically in that no one really figured one year later Rossi would compete with Lorenzo head to head on the same bike and same tires and was unable to do much better than 4th place. We thought maybe he was too old. Turns out all he needed was a harder tire.

MdubSTYLIE · Jul 16, 2015

birdman said:
Its not about who I like and dislike, Im hoping Lorenzo wins rather than Rossi sure, I go for the riders I like no doubt about it, I am biased. You do realise your pro Rossi tendency does come out in your posts, yet I actually like that in a debate, makes it more interesting. Its just interesting how things turned out on reflection.

I find the "you don't like Rossi" response a bit of a cop out. It adds nothing to the debate. Stick to the topic at hand.

It was Rossi who later came out and said the harder tire was the better option. He even went as far as to say Stoner was right in his criticism of the soft, presumably the way it deformed under heavy braking and his prediction it would eventually cause problems, and not improve safety at all. Rossi's explanation of voting for the soft was he was ...... on the Duc and had nothing to lose. That's fine, don't have problem with it at all. Just noting the irony of the whole story to this point.

1. The soft tires Capi championed under 'safety' became a safety problem when they disintegrated at PI. I rarely hear him mentioned since.

2. Rossi voted for the softies. Next year he moved to Yamaha, but was only ever a distant fourth, on those same softies. Ironic. On the harder tires of 2014 Rossi was much more competitive.

3. Since the 'vote' there hasn't been a vote since. Why not. In fact only one ever rider 'vote' in all the years of motogp. Interesting isn't it. There must of been a reason for it. Oh yes 'safety'. Ironic safety went down. Ironic there even was a vote in the first place, except they were exceptional circumstances. Lots of irony around here.

I have no doubt the soft was put in place to help Rossi with the very specific front end vague feeling of the Duc. That it happened to suit Lorenzo so much I think ended being up an unintended consequence, specifically in that no one really figured one year later Rossi would compete with Lorenzo head to head on the same bike and same tires and was unable to do much better than 4th place. We thought maybe he was too old. Turns out all he needed was a harder tire.

Thats actually a tid bit more ironic than an alanis morissette song. Don't cha think?

birdman · Jul 16, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Thats actually a tid bit more ironic than an alanis morissette song. Don't cha think?

Its not fair. To remind mee, of the mess you left when Jumkie went away.

You, you, you outta know.

Jumkie · Jul 16, 2015

Viagra thread was deleted, just when I was enjoying how it was cummin along, isn't it ironic....

JPSLotus · Jul 16, 2015

birdman said:
Its not about who I like and dislike, Im hoping Lorenzo wins rather than Rossi sure, I go for the riders I like no doubt about it, I am biased. You do realise your pro Rossi tendency does come out in your posts, yet I actually like that in a debate, makes it more interesting. Its just interesting how things turned out on reflection.

I find the "you don't like Rossi" response a bit of a cop out. It adds nothing to the debate. Stick to the topic at hand.

It was Rossi who later came out and said the harder tire was the better option. He even went as far as to say Stoner was right in his criticism of the soft, presumably the way it deformed under heavy braking and his prediction it would eventually cause problems, and not improve safety at all. Rossi's explanation of voting for the soft was he was ...... on the Duc and had nothing to lose. That's fine, don't have problem with it at all. Just noting the irony of the whole story to this point.

1. The soft tires Capi championed under 'safety' became a safety problem when they disintegrated at PI. I rarely hear him mentioned since.

2. Rossi voted for the softies. Next year he moved to Yamaha, but was only ever a distant fourth, on those same softies. Ironic. On the harder tires of 2014 Rossi was much more competitive.

3. Since the 'vote' there hasn't been a vote since. Why not. In fact only one ever rider 'vote' in all the years of motogp. Interesting isn't it. There must of been a reason for it. Oh yes 'safety'. Ironic safety went down. Ironic there even was a vote in the first place, except they were exceptional circumstances. Lots of irony around here.

I have no doubt the soft was put in place to help Rossi with the very specific front end vague feeling of the Duc. That it happened to suit Lorenzo so much I think ended being up an unintended consequence, specifically in that no one really figured one year later Rossi would compete with Lorenzo head to head on the same bike and same tires and was unable to do much better than 4th place. We thought maybe he was too old. Turns out all he needed was a harder tire.

That's fantastic stuff Bird.

Really informative, thanks for sharing.

Edit: I forgot, some around here like Kesh still believe there's no upside for Dorna to help Rossi. As the saying goes, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

birdman · Jul 16, 2015

Jumkie said:
Viagra thread was deleted, just when I was enjoying how it was cummin along, isn't it ironic....

Might be ironic for you Mr Mexican with a black mans ..... For me its downright depressing to have no Viagra and only a white ..... Where the .... is the ..... pump thread? Wilksi, send me a bloody pump and two bibles please.

Arrabbiata1 · Jul 17, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Thats actually a tid bit more ironic than an alanis morissette song. Don't cha think?

There's nothing remotely ironic about 'rain on your wedding day' - in fact in the U.K. it's a given.

And to make it even worse, as a canuck, it's not even as though she has an American passport to hide behind to excuse the fact that she doesn't get irony.

Oh wait...most of you guys don't even have passports.

(For further hilarious racial stereotypical reinforcement please refer to post #55 on this thread or alternatively peruse the following picture of a Antipodean biker 'backing it in').

Gaz · Jul 17, 2015

Jumkie said:
I'm doing my best to achieve it, as u well know I spend lots of time abusing my body, drinking, staying up late, and plenty of California sunshine to wrinkle my skin.

What's your secret buddy?

Since when has masturbation been considered abuse, although with you black man .... there is the risk of concussion in the throes of passion, or I suppose some kind of blood deprivation so yeah, maybe it is abuse for you but as a white guy, it is more pleasure than pain

Keshav · Jul 17, 2015

JPSLotus said:
That's fantastic stuff Bird.

Really informative, thanks for sharing.

Edit: I forgot, some around here like Kesh still believe there's no upside for Dorna to help Rossi. As the saying goes, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Again - implying things I never said. I said there's no black and white evidence that Michelin is necessarily designing a tire that will favor Rossi to the detriment of the Honda riders. Michelin's exposure as a manufacturer will be the same regardless of who wins the championship. People won't be influenced to go out and buy Pirellis if MM wins on Michelins.

Dorna is a whole other thing. Fact remains... the yellow-wig-wearing faithful will come out to the races to buy overpriced t-shirts and baseball caps and #46 underwear regardless of whether he's winning or not. When Rossi was looking like .... on the sidewalk during his Ducati fiasco - they still came out by tens of thousands to cheer him on. Kinda like Catholics who secretly have abortions and cheat on their spouses - but still come out by the thousands to enjoy the spectacle of seeing the Pope when he breezes through town. They love to celebrate the guy in the gaudy livery. Whee!!! Hurray for us!

Remember after 2006 when Nicky's fortunes were rapidly declining? Didn't stop Jum from stalking him every chance he had and collecting overpriced watches with Nicky's image on it (a Nicky-Mouse-Watch?)???. Show me figures that prove Dorna lost money as a direct result of Rossi looking like a loser during the Ducati years and we can re-open the dialog. Till then - stop beating a dead horse.

Keshav · Jul 17, 2015

Gaz said:
Since when has masturbation been considered abuse, although with you black man .... there is the risk of concussion in the throes of passion, or I suppose some kind of blood deprivation so yeah, maybe it is abuse for you but as a white guy, it is more pleasure than pain

And all this time I thought that circular scar in the middle of his forehead was the result of multiple beer can mishaps.

MdubSTYLIE · Jul 17, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
There's nothing remotely ironic about 'rain on your wedding day' - in fact in the U.K. it's a given.

And to make it even worse, as a canuck, it's not even as though she has an American passport to hide behind to excuse the fact that she doesn't get irony.

Oh wait...most of you guys don't even have passports.

(For further hilarious racial stereotypical reinforcement please refer to post #55 on this thread or alternatively peruse the following picture of a Antipodean biker 'backing it in').

View attachment 11041

If that was a gif that would be australian rub one out material.

Keshav · Jul 17, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Really wish I knew what a gif was. This would be a perfect place for a gif of a crowd watching tennis. Gif me .......!!!

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MdubSTYLIE · Jul 17, 2015

Keshav said:
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Got my head moving like a tennis match!

Gaz · Jul 17, 2015

Fuckit Kes, I was gonna try and find a GIF of Stoner just for MDub as I reckon he may enjoy that a bit more than ....s, given his man love and all

MdubSTYLIE · Jul 17, 2015

Gaz said:
Fuckit Kes, I was gonna try and find a GIF of Stoner just for MDub as I reckon he may enjoy that a bit more than ....s, given his man love and all

That would cause me to either break my computer screen or even possibly do a Casey and puke on it.

Theo · Jul 22, 2015

I'd like to ask a question, but seeing as I'm posting in a minute or so I'll carry on with it.

We have a thread about Lorenzo and tyres, that occupies 1 page and 1 post, the thread then degenerates into some farcical mud slinging contest (at least thats what I think it is) for the next 7 pages.

Why?

Jumkie · Jul 22, 2015

Theo said:
I'd like to ask a question, but seeing as I'm posting in a minute or so I'll carry on with it.

We have a thread about Lorenzo and tyres, that occupies 1 page and 1 post, the thread then degenerates into some farcical mud slinging contest (at least thats what I think it is) for the next 7 pages.

Why?

Because Powerslide cannot be controlled or understood, despite some trying.

In my best Will Ferrell voice: Powerslide is crazzzzzy man!

Jumkie · Jul 22, 2015

Theo, to add to your point, I think this thread has the most juicy topic in respect to the ramifications of the actual GP season too. Everything else has been a distraction (real, imagined, or fabricated) yet the tires have been the real story.

Theo · Jul 22, 2015

Jumkie said:
Theo, to add to your point, I think this thread has the most juicy topic in respect to the ramifications of the actual GP season too. Everything else has been a distraction (real, imagined, or fabricated) yet the tires have been the real story.

Indeed, and there was I thinking WOW 8 pages of tyre talk

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