Michelin are bloody useless

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 15 2008, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You have to wonder whether they have given up and a one tyre brand championship next year is already a fait accompli.

During the previous somewhat lengthy tyre discussions last year it was suggested they were having financial problems which may make developing motogp tyres something of a luxury.

Well said. Spec Tyre is on the way.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 15 2008, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>kinda my point though isn't it?
Yeah, all I'm saying is that Pirelli have never been on the level that Bridgestone and Michelin are at. Pirelli have made rubbish tires so when they are the spec tire, it's no surprise that they continue to be rubbish. Where as Bstones and Michelins are much better tires. Their development will slow, but they will still never be at a level as low as Pirelli.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Aug 15 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>fine by me..best thing for the sport.. should be bout rider/bike..not tires.
Spec tires are a start to a slippery slope just remember. This is a prototype series bro. If michilin did their job instead of what they are doing we would never be having this problem.

Pedrosa is significantly slower than last year.

I suspect foul play is afoot yet again.

Estoril is a Michelin track. This year Bstone held a press conference to allow the general public to know they would be awful again in 2008.

Laguna is a Bstone track. This year at Laguna, Michelin refused to bring (much like Bstone at China) the tires their riders wanted. The fallout was very public. They cited lack of decent weather data as the culprit for the bad tire compounds. sure

Now, at a Bstone stronghold, Michelin are horribly off the pace yet again but they are worse than they were last year. I'm interested to hear their excuse.

I'm not buying this load of bull. These outfits are world class, I simply refuse to believe that their decision-making has worsened after an entire year of racing under the 800 rules------unless of course this is the first year under new tires rules that aren't published (obviously).

I dont know about pulling for a tire company but i will tell you this.As a long time Pilot Sport,then Pilot Power user, I tried a set of Bridgestone BT002 street/track tire and never looked back.That was over a year ago and im here to tell you,it is one bad ... tire.I like the Power,it had a slightly faster turn in but the 002 has superior side grip.The rounder profile of the 002 front also doesnt follow imperfections in the road like the Power did, and to me,i get better feedback with the 002.The Michelin gave very little warning it was about to give up where the Stones do.I can also run higher air pressure because of the side grip and not kill my tires as fast on the Stones.Why did i try them after being a happy Michelin customer for years,GP success of course.I tried them,i like them, and now they get the 1200.00 bucks a year i spend on tires.I have converted quite a few Power believers in the last year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 15 2008, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spec tires are a start to a slippery slope just remember. This is a prototype series bro. If michilin did their job instead of what they are doing we would never be having this problem.

Prorotype bikes not tires Rock

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Aug 15 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Prorotype bikes not tires Rock
Na!!! I enjoy the fact that Michilin who has dominated for years is floundering due to they suck today. Tomorrow it could be another story. Hey this is racing and it has been for years. It is a prototype series period and I think it should stay that way. Even if the companies or riders you or I like have to suffer due to the inabilities of those who are supposed to develop the latest and greatest of whatever component on the bike. Plus if there is to be a spec tire then dev of the tires go down anyway and they can still give the best of the best to those whom they want so it really isn't a fix to the problem at hand. Fact is that Michilin needs to get their .... together and stop muckin around with whatever they are doin or lack ther of.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 15 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont know about pulling for a tire company but i will tell you this.As a long time Pilot Sport,then Pilot Power user, I tried a set of Bridgestone BT002 street/track tire and never looked back.That was over a year ago and im here to tell you,it is one bad ... tire.I like the Power,it had a slightly faster turn in but the 002 has superior side grip.The rounder profile of the 002 front also doesnt follow imperfections in the road like the Power did, and to me,i get better feedback with the 002.The Michelin gave very little warning it was about to give up where the Stones do.I can also run higher air pressure because of the side grip and not kill my tires as fast on the Stones.Why did i try them after being a happy Michelin customer for years,GP success of course.I tried them,i like them, and now they get the 1200.00 bucks a year i spend on tires.I have converted quite a few Power believers in the last year.


i used to ride/race pirelli until a few years back. i almost high sided at RA coming out of 10B going up the hill because the rear end had gotten too greasy. that was after 8 laps. i knew then i had to try something else. i jumped on the power race's and after a few laps i quickly came to the conclusion you had....they give NO warning when there were about to go. especially the fronts. just bam! on my .... so i can comletely sympathize with the guys out there right now.

i ride the bridestone 003's now. whoa, those fuckers are bad ...! and they get about 3000.00 a year from me! .......s.

speaking of the guys in GP. anyone see edwards interview about michelin? man that guy cracks me up sometimes. he has NO filter.

I've always been against a spec tire (for lack of development) and now I've climbed the fence, ready to jump to the other side. With the stories of crap tires that Stoner had his first season, it is not hard to imagine what non factory teams could do. Also bring tighter tighter battles.

I think the better move would be to go back to carburetors.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 15 2008, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa is significantly slower than last year.

I suspect foul play is afoot yet again.

Estoril is a Michelin track. This year Bstone held a press conference to allow the general public to know they would be awful again in 2008.

Laguna is a Bstone track. This year at Laguna, Michelin refused to bring (much like Bstone at China) the tires their riders wanted. The fallout was very public. They cited lack of decent weather data as the culprit for the bad tire compounds. sure

Now, at a Bstone stronghold, Michelin are horribly off the pace yet again but they are worse than they were last year. I'm interested to hear their excuse.

I'm not buying this load of bull. These outfits are world class, I simply refuse to believe that their decision-making has worsened after an entire year of racing under the 800 rules------unless of course this is the first year under new tires rules that aren't published (obviously).New surface, injured Dani?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Aug 15 2008, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've always been against a spec tire (for lack of development) and now I've climbed the fence, ready to jump to the other side. With the stories of crap tires that Stoner had his first season, it is not hard to imagine what non factory teams could do. Also bring tighter tighter battles.

I think the better move would be to go back to carburetors.
Ain't gonna happen since Dorna mandated the TC and all that Jazz. They will not go back Carmen said at all. As for the tires it should be as it is except Michilin needs to get it together. THis isn't wsbk as a spec series. It is a prototype series for better or for worse. This is a proving ground for machines and the parts. The pilots are like test pilots. This is how it has been in this series for years. If some are peeved that their rider isn't winning due to the lack of support speak up or shut up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 15 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ain't gonna happen since Dorna mandated the TC and all that Jazz. They will not go back Carmen said at all. As for the tires it should be as it is except Michilin needs to get it together. THis isn't wsbk as a spec series. It is a prototype series for better or for worse. This is a proving ground for machines and the parts. The pilots are like test pilots. This is how it has been in this series for years. If some are peeved that their rider isn't winning due to the lack of support speak up or shut up.

My initial thoughts were that the surface was to blame, but I've been investigating the resurfacing and it doesn't seem to be nearly as significant as the resurfacing at Laguna (nor as poorly executed).

I'm not convinced. Although, for the first time I'm actually looking for signs of non-conspiratorial activity. There is no need or purpose (that I can see) to tire manipulation at this time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 15 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My initial thoughts were that the surface was to blame, but I've been investigating the resurfacing
Impressive. May I ask what kind of investigation?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 15 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Impressive. May I ask what kind of investigation?

Not sure if that was meant to be funny, but my god did I laugh.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Aug 15 2008, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Michelin have been very good until Laguna.
Now it looks like they suck at 2 tracks in a row.
If I remember rightly they were pretty ordinary at Misano last year as well.
3 bad tracks in a row will really hurt their brand.
Michelin has allready messed up 3 times in a row. They messed it up at Sachsenring to by providing only the shallow rain tires to their riders. Actually allmost the same misstake they did in France last year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 15 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Michelin has allready messed up 3 times in a row. They messed it up at Sachsenring to by providing only the shallow rain tires to their riders. Actually allmost the same misstake they did in France last year.
they're in disarray, that's for sure

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (smaid @ Aug 15 2008, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure if that was meant to be funny, but my god did I laugh.

Well, that depends. If he has been resarching then it's an honest question, but if it's just random googling....

It's the second time today someone have made statements that sounds as if they work in the GP padock. If they are, I would like to know what they found, if not it's pure bullsiht from sofa racers that doesn't know .... about what this is about.

Any predictions about Michelin;s future in MotoGP?


I predict: Spec tire or not, Michelin will pull out of MotoGP with their tails under their legs like they did in F1.


While it is not fair to compared commercial product performance to GP tires, I could not agree more with the previous racers here. i have always been a fan of the B'Stones. fter hearing all the hype of Michelin's Pilot series (this is when they were doing so welll in MotoGP and B'stones were just learning the ropes), I decided the give the Michelin's a try. I soon realized that the media hype, was just that -- media hype. The tires we just marginally better than Dunlops, which we all know are probably the worst tires out there. the Stones are much superior in "feel".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 15 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, that depends. If he has been resarching then it's an honest question, but if it's just random googling....

It's the second time today someone have made statements that sounds as if they work in the GP padock. If they are, I would like to know what they found, if not it's pure bullsiht from sofa racers that doesn't know .... about what this is about.

I used to write off Lex too. But if you look back at his posts before the start of the season, you know the posts where eveyone was calling BS, his stuff actually makes sense now. Although he sounds a bit far fetched from time to time, I won't write him off till proven guilty.

It's funny, maybe he is a paddock junky, you never know. Oh did I say junky I meant Jumkie.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 15 2008, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I used to write off Lex too. But if you look back at his posts before the start of the season, you know the posts where eveyone was calling BS, his stuff actually makes sense now. Although he sounds a bit far fetched from time to time, I won't write him off till proven guilty.

It's funny, maybe he is a paddock junky, you never know. Oh did I say junky I meant Jumkie.

SWack, where is palos robles, nor -cal or so-cal vicinity?