If you remove all the
vitriolic nonsense from these threads, there would be like 178 posts - total.
Since I am not only a linguistic genius, but a internet maven, I have found the
confusion over this term. Some people just don't like this stuff and find it offending to eat, or even talk about.
I don't know how racist Kraft is. I suppose it depends on your level of craziness, whether this is racist food or not.
Mexican Monkey Bread
You may find it easy to dismiss a blatant racial slur casually thrown about as Kesh has done, I really do wonder if you would be so nonchalant if it had been a more popular or familiar slur to your knowledge (assuming good faith here). I’m betting you wouldn’t casually use the term
“jungle monkey” in some parts of SoCal (where I think we are both from). To be clear, "jungle monkey' is a racial slur to refer to Black people, which of course you know. Though more interesting to me, I find it fascinating that
you casually dismissed the 'merit' of the
"vitriolic nonsense" as if there is no creditable side in the matter; to use a familiar example for you, perhaps you'd like to characterize it as a
"feud" between Kesh and [insert flame war target here], isn't that how we arrived at a point where both Marc and Rossi are to blame in equal measure? Both parties just engaged in “vitriolic nonsense”, right Pony?
I want you to pause here and think a bit on my following point please:
It should not be a stretch to you then that Kesh flippantly used a racial slur ‘stealthy’, ‘underhanded’ in a crafty way to
‘avoid obvious detection’ to provoke, after all we are in a “feud” and what do people do in “feuds”? They provoke. But, fair game right, you’ve dismissed it. No, you’ve gone even further, though perhaps unwittingly, and justified it, after all, there is a recipes for something called
“Mexican monkey bread”, right? As if this has anything to do with the way the term
“Mexican Monkey” is used as a pejorative term to invoke a bad thing. You’ve become part of the discussion and decidedly on the side justifying a casual use of a racial slur Pony. I say unwittingly because I don’t think your intention is to casually dismiss offensive words, but I would caution you to be more cognizant of terms that actually do have special meaning, especially in the context that it has been point out to you here regarding Kesh.
I’d also like to point out Pony, that many of these
terms have an element of concealment, a code, underhanded and cowardly, as I described above. I’m sure you are familiar with “jungle monkey” and "wet back" and many other terms, though because you perhaps didn't make the connection between "jungle monkey" and "Mexican monkey" you've dismissed it out of hand. "Jungle monkey" almost sounds cute, but say it in a context where those offended get your meaning, and you’ve got trouble coming. Here is another element you might not have thought about buddy. There is racism even amongst people of the same race or national origin. I’m familiar with the derogatory term “Mexican Monkey” because I’m dark skinned, an American (I should like to point out) of Mexican ancestry, and often considered of lower class to more “fair” skinned Mexicans who in my experience use this pejorative term far more readily (amongst others used for ‘dark skinned Mexicans by light skinned Mexicans). The message being, there is a ‘better’ and ‘inferior’ class of Mexican. If ever you want to see in stark relief what I’m describing to you, tune in to a typical Mexican 'telenovelas' (soap operas). Its clear who the better people and inferior people are from the cast.
Pony, it may not be readily obvious to you, but its
no coincidence Kesh used a
picture of a ‘monkey’ to mock the fact he is being called out by me. You and others have obviously not detected the meaning, and you could be pardoned for it frankly, it is a rather unfamiliar term to the more popular ones, like "wet-back". I remember his Mexican Monkey quip, and another reference to my ancestry he used during a previous flame war (which JPS and JKD called out on at the time). Honestly, I don’t think its best for me to be the voice to call out Kesh in such particular matters, because it would be ‘dismissed’ as just another point in the “feud”, kinda like what you’ve done actually. Thankfully it hasn’t gone undetected by others, and I’m sincerely grateful they chimed in when they did. I've reflected on Kesh and I'm convinced he has turned into something unexplainable, but you are free to examine all our exchanges as they have been written here throughout the years, its unfortunate, but also disturbing. So I no longer doubt what he is capable of saying in his fits of rage or lack of self-awareness. Oh, of course Kesh will deny it, have you ever seen anybody admit to such an underhanded thing when exposed? There is a reason
needling terms are said tacitly and vague, so
plausible deniability can be affective, hell you’ve dismissed it, so it works!
I hope it is clear to you Pony, now that I’ve taken the time to provide you with some insight. Fact is, some of these terms have long histories, as does Kesh have history with me (at one time i wouldn't have believe it in this context, but i've come to know a different
Kesh now,
one that has been revealed on this forum) and in the present, these terms must seem like distant and inoffensive, easy for us to dismiss, unless of course you feel it. I recently came across this interesting article, which I think is apropos, illustrating what I’m getting at here. I don’t think, at least I don’t know if
“Mexican monkey bread” ever had any pejorative connotation, but I don’t think they’d be calling it
“...... bread” (at least not in the US, maybe Canada) would you? Certainly, you wouldn’t post a link to point out its not such derogatory term since there is something edible named after it.
Quebec considers removing N-word from 11 place names | CBC News
See above link